Why do Christians always bring up the "Middle man" Jesus. - GoFuckYourself.com

pr0 · 05-13-2008, 11:46 AM

If I'm jumping out of a plane & the parachute doesn't deploy. I'm going to be asking GOD to save me.

Fuck the middle man

baddog · 05-13-2008, 11:48 AM

That is because you are not Christian, ergo, don't know the basics I guess.

Alky · 05-13-2008, 11:50 AM

not exactly sure what you mean by a middle man? a priest?

pr0 · 05-13-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Alky

not exactly sure what you mean by a middle man? a priest?

Christians are always talking about jesus....they almost never bring up god.

See here http://www.clubericacampbell.com/

The girl that eric just reported on "being saved by jesus"

I count Jesus like 10x on that page.

Do they realize Jesus may or may not have been real (i mean he probably existed, but not the son of god). I mean, i think god might be pissed off when they get up to heaven...& god goes through the book and sees how many times the little fuckers praised some guy named Jesus

Thurbs · 05-13-2008, 11:57 AM

hmmmm . I'll be screaming, save me tyra on the way down.

J. Falcon · 05-13-2008, 11:57 AM

Jesus and God are the same thing.
The son of God, Jesus, is God in the flesh.

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The Trinity is a Christian doctrine, stating that God is one Being Who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons: the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.

jalami · 05-13-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

Christians are always talking about jesus....they almost never bring up god.

I was always under the impression that Christians believe that jesus IS god...

pr0 · 05-13-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Jesus and God are the same thing.
The son of God, Jesus, is God in the flesh.

jesus & god are not the same thing dude

DirtyDanza · 05-13-2008, 12:00 PM

must be jew

J. Falcon · 05-13-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

jesus & god are not the same thing dude

Yes they are,

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Jesus as God

Many verses in John, the epistles, and Revelation imply support for the doctrine that Jesus Christ is God and the closely related concept of the Trinity. The Gospel of John in particular supports Jesus' divinity. This is a partial list of supporting Bible verses:

* John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." together with John 1:14 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." and John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known."[20]The Bible says "God the One and Only" in NIV.
* John 5:21 "For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it."
* John 8:23?24: "But he continued,'You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.'"
* John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"[21]
* John 10:30: "I and the Father are one."
* John 10:38: "But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
* John 12:41: "Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him."?As the context shows, this implied the Tetragrammaton in Isaiah 6:10 refers to Jesus.
* John 20:28: "Thomas said to him, 'My Lord and my God!'"
* Philippians 2:5?8: "Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death?even death on a cross!"
* Colossians 1:15: "He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God"
* Colossians 1:16: "For by him [Jesus] all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him."
* Colossians 1:17: "He [Jesus] is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
* Colossians 2:9: "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form"
* Titus 2:13: "while we wait for the blessed hope?the glorious appearing of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ."
* 1 Timothy 3:16: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
* Hebrews 1:8: "But about the Son he [God] says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom."
* 1 John 5:20: "We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true?even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life."
* Revelation 1:17?18: "When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades." This is seen as significant when viewed with Isaiah 44:6: "This is what the LORD says?Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."

The Bible also refers to Jesus as a man, which is in line with the Trinitarian concept that Jesus was fully human as well as fully divine which is expressed through the theological concept of kenosis.

ChefJeff · 05-13-2008, 12:03 PM

Organized religion is a scam. It's for the weak. Didn;t you see that scene in Borat with the evangelicals? They are out of their minds...

psili · 05-13-2008, 12:04 PM

God's a fucking mad man and fucked shit up in the Old Testament.
Jesus turned water into wine and shit like that in the New Testament.

Now who would you rather hang out with?

pr0 · 05-13-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Yes they are,

look mr. religion just because your little book (that came out thousands of years after the first accepted religions) says so....it doesn't mean its true

is the bible a scientifically accepted thing? no....

so as far as im concerned, all that shit you just posted is gibberish/fiction

theking · 05-13-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

If I'm jumping out of a plane & the parachute doesn't deploy. I'm going to be asking GOD to save me.

Fuck the middle man

Hmm...do you think it is because that belief in Jesus is what defines being a "Christian"?

J. Falcon · 05-13-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

look mr. religion just because your little book (that came out thousands of years after the first accepted religions) says so....it doesn't mean its true

is the bible a scientifically accepted thing? no....

so as far as im concerned, all that shit you just posted is gibberish/fiction

Mr Religion? LOL Good one.

I didn't say it was true or untrue. You asked why christians speak about Jesus and not God, and I'm trying to explain that many consider them as one and the same.

Mister E · 05-13-2008, 12:20 PM

Like the Rabbi said to the pope, "so....you need to dial around through jesus to get to god?

For us let me tell you it's a Local Call".

Look it up, gospel baby!

(and this is a great Thread)

Mister E · 05-13-2008, 12:21 PM

and they call it magic (or religion) until they prove it....

then they call it science....

notoldschool · 05-13-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Jesus and God are the same thing.
The son of God, Jesus, is God in the flesh.

You are correct in your description of the Christian beliefs.

Vicious_B · 05-13-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

jesus & god are not the same thing dude

The premise is the Holy Trinity is God, Jesus, Holy Spirit. All part of the same whole, same yet seperate. Many Many years of Catholic school and I dont know how many masses attended and Im still confused about it.

Technically though according to the Roman Catholic Bible God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit (or Ghost) are all the same.

And they wonder why church attendance keeps dropping.

Vicious_B · 05-13-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

jesus & god are not the same thing dude

The premise is the Holy Trinity is God, Jesus, Holy Spirit. All part of the same whole, same yet seperate. Many Many years of Catholic school and I dont know how many masses attended and Im still confused about it.

Technically though according to the Roman Catholic Bible God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit (or Ghost) are all the same.

And they wonder why church attendance keeps dropping.

Meloman · 05-13-2008, 12:37 PM

It all depends on what Christian denomination you are. Some denominations don't believe in the Trinity and some do.

In Catholicism there is the Father (God), the son (Jesus), and the holy spirit (which I've never really understood) and they are suppose to be all the same thing.

I'm Catholic and for whatever reason I've never prayed to Jesus. I've always pray to God direct.

baddog · 05-13-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

jesus & god are not the same thing dude

The Trinity is the most difficult thing to explain, but essentially, God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit are one, but three.

Don't worry if it is difficult to comprehend, it took years of indoctrination and even then, faith is expected.

Alky · 05-13-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

look mr. religion just because your little book (that came out thousands of years after the first accepted religions) says so....it doesn't mean its true

is the bible a scientifically accepted thing? no....

so as far as im concerned, all that shit you just posted is gibberish/fiction

on the same token... where are you getting your information from? scientifically i am pretty sure most do not accept God, so they certainly wouldn't accept the bible.

and even if science did accept God, where are you getting your information that Jesus is not God?

theking · 05-13-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Meloman

It all depends on what Christian denomination you are. Some denominations don't believe in the Trinity and some do.

In Catholicism there is the Father (God), the son (Jesus), and the holy spirit (which I've never really understood) and they are suppose to be all the same thing.

I'm Catholic and for whatever reason I've never prayed to Jesus. I've always pray to God direct.

You are partially correct...all Christian denominations believe in the Trinity...but not all believe that they are one and the same.

pr0 · 05-13-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Meloman

It all depends on what Christian denomination you are. Some denominations don't believe in the Trinity and some do.

In Catholicism there is the Father (God), the son (Jesus), and the holy spirit (which I've never really understood) and they are suppose to be all the same thing.

I'm Catholic and for whatever reason I've never prayed to Jesus. I've always pray to God direct.

yup...i thank god every day i wake up to another beautiful day...but i don't do the praying thing

even Einstein believed in god

but i don't buy religion....i don't buy jesus or any of the other bullshit

CDSmith · 05-13-2008, 12:51 PM

I say knock organized religion all you (as in you all) want. For the most part everyone saying it's a "scam" are basically correct, in my humble view. But for those who choose to keep a personal faith of sorts I say kudos to you and be well. As long as your faith doesn't infringe on my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (and success) go with my full blessing. I'll make sure that my personal beliefs don't stomp all over your rights either.

Deal?

Good.

Group hug?

Didn't think so.

J. Falcon · 05-13-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

I say knock organized religion all you (as in you all) want. For the most part everyone saying it's a "scam" are basically correct, in my humble view. But for those who choose to keep a personal faith of sorts I say kudos to you and be well. As long as your faith doesn't infringe on my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (and success) go with my full blessing. I'll make sure that my personal beliefs don't stomp all over your rights either.

Deal?

Good.

Group hug?

Didn't think so.

WiredGuy · 05-13-2008, 01:36 PM

God is very busy, its sometimes easier to ask his personal assistant (Jesus) for help to get to the big guy.
WG

nico-t · 05-13-2008, 01:47 PM

the more i read about religion, the more retarded it seems.

nico-t · 05-13-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

look mr. religion just because your little book (that came out thousands of years after the first accepted religions) says so....it doesn't mean its true

is the bible a scientifically accepted thing? no....

so as far as im concerned, all that shit you just posted is gibberish/fiction

exactly!

pr0 · 05-13-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

God is very busy, its sometimes easier to ask his personal assistant (Jesus) for help to get to the big guy.
WG

thats why i don't pray....i don't want to waste his time with my bullshit problems

in fact i find it offensive when football teams pray before a game

meanwhile people are starving to death all over the world

BradM · 05-13-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

The premise is the Holy Trinity is God, Jesus, Holy Spirit. All part of the same whole, same yet seperate. Many Many years of Catholic school and I dont know how many masses attended and Im still confused about it.

Technically though according to the Roman Catholic Bible God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit (or Ghost) are all the same.

And they wonder why church attendance keeps dropping.

Because invisible men in the sky that grant wishes and perform miracles for no real reason are a hard thing to believe in?

uno · 05-13-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Meloman

It all depends on what Christian denomination you are. Some denominations don't believe in the Trinity and some do.

In Catholicism there is the Father (God), the son (Jesus), and the holy spirit (which I've never really understood) and they are suppose to be all the same thing.

I'm Catholic and for whatever reason I've never prayed to Jesus. I've always pray to God direct.

I never understood the holy spirit either.

J. Falcon · 05-13-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

thats why i don't pray....i don't want to waste his time with my bullshit problems

in fact i find it offensive when football teams pray before a game

meanwhile people are starving to death all over the world

Football teams dont pray to win, they pray to not get injured.

Vicious_B · 05-14-2008, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Group hug?

Didn't think so.

Got all excited there for a minute

Brad · 05-14-2008, 08:08 AM

I know nothing about religion but I'm going to theorize that people can identify with Jesus more so than God because Jesus is the closest personification of God. I doubt that many people can identify with an omnipotent being. That's just my guess.

Now all praise little baby Jesus.

Vicious_B · 05-14-2008, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad

Now all praise little baby Jesus.

LOL. The best prayer ever: around the dinner table in Taledega Nights.

Paco, of Large Cash. · 05-14-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

I'm going to be asking GOD to save me ... Fuck the middle man

Why stop there??
Fuck 'em (religions) all!

Only the truly pathetic souls need ""saving"". The type whom never accept full responsibility for their actions. They'd rather look to another to save their worthless arse!
You know, the type that declare bankruptcy, blame drugs or alcohol for some ""mishap"", do not pay child support, hide children in the basement etc et cetera.

Fuck 'em all in the ear!!

CaptainHowdy · 05-14-2008, 10:01 AM

The parachute not opening it's in God's plan...

lazycash · 05-14-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

I say knock organized religion all you (as in you all) want. For the most part everyone saying it's a "scam" are basically correct, in my humble view. But for those who choose to keep a personal faith of sorts I say kudos to you and be well. As long as your faith doesn't infringe on my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (and success) go with my full blessing. I'll make sure that my personal beliefs don't stomp all over your rights either.

Deal?

Good.

Group hug?

Didn't think so.

Couldn't have said it better. Also, I find it interesting that many who love to mock other's beliefs often have very little understanding of those beliefs, as witnessed by this thread.

Grapesoda · 05-14-2008, 10:26 AM

the middle man makes all the money

J. Falcon · 05-14-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Couldn't have said it better. Also, I find it interesting that many who love to mock other's beliefs often have very little understanding of those beliefs, as witnessed by this thread.

You said it.

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	That is because you are not Christian, ergo, don't know the basics I guess.

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Meloman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sacramento,CA Posts: 1,540	It all depends on what Christian denomination you are. Some denominations don't believe in the Trinity and some do. In Catholicism there is the Father (God), the son (Jesus), and the holy spirit (which I've never really understood) and they are suppose to be all the same thing. I'm Catholic and for whatever reason I've never prayed to Jesus. I've always pray to God direct.

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