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Michael O 05-02-2008 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RayBonga (Post 14140566)
They keep your money, I wonder how much they will make with this operation?

Please see reply #63

Michael O 05-02-2008 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Machete Rodriguez (Post 14140572)
Does this go for gift accounts too? How should i verify the cc it got opend up with when its not my CC but giftholders cc?

If you have a gift account and you have not added a CC of your own you will only need to send in a copy of ID and a copy of a statement/utility bill with your name and address on it.

Jens Van Assterdam 05-02-2008 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael O (Post 14140662)
If you have a gift account and you have not added a CC of your own you will only need to send in a copy of ID and a copy of a statement/utility bill with your name and address on it.

Great lets see how long it takes till epass asks me for this stuff. Till now i didnt have any documents request.

Ethersync 05-02-2008 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael O (Post 14140662)
If you have a gift account and you have not added a CC of your own you will only need to send in a copy of ID and a copy of a statement/utility bill with your name and address on it.

I have programmers in other countries that I pay with ePassporte. Their cards were created in our business account. Several of them live at home with their parents and the utility bills are in their parents name. They have not been asked for anything yet, but if they are what am I supposed to do? :disgust

crockett 05-02-2008 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by onlineriches (Post 14139821)
Michael, is epassporte PCI compliant? If so can you post proof of recent audits. Can you elaborate on the security precautions being taken to secure and safe guard this data, who has access to it and who is charge of maintaining the confidentiality and integrity of the data. I believe that will help some people feel more comfortable, if I do not see concrete proof of significant security safeguards in place I will be closing my account.

In my opinion anyone that sends all of those documents is fucked in the head and will get what they deserve.

I wouldn't trust them with keeping shit secure, 1 rogue employee or 1 security breach and you are all fucked, not just small time credit card fraud but things could get really nasty if this amount of data was compromised. The best of the best get hacked, what is epassporte doing to make me feel any different?

EVERYONE SAY NO AND REFUSE TO USE EPASS UNLESS WE SEE SOME CONCRETE PROOF OF SECURITY STANDARDS AND PROPER DATA PROTECTION & STORAGE.


Exactly.. no one has this much fucking info. I can't believe people are actually sending this shit. There are some seriously dumb mofo's if you guys are sending in your bank and CC statements.

These guys trying to compare epass to a actual bank is ludicrous. Sorry but I'd feel safer having a large some of money sitting in the bank of Iraq than I would having it sit in my epass account.

What has epass done to "prove" that they can secure this data.. Fuck they can't even secure their accounts. How many people have had their money stolen from epass accounts right here in this very forum. Yet we are now supposed to trust them with enough info to allow someone to pull a loan in your name or clear out your bank account. Yea right...

I guess my account will be closed if I get that letter.. I don't use it much anyway. It's just more of a convenience type thing for me but nothing I depend on.


btw nothing against you Michel O.. but the company u work for....

crockett 05-02-2008 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 14139605)
Sorta looks like a bunch of people who did not claim epass income are about to become fuckedddddddddddddddd


Has nothing to do with taxes.. if you actually send in that much data you are a dumb mother fucker. Your identity can be easily stolen with much less info. Giving out this much is just like handing some one your pass port and check book and saying go have fun..

Nikki_Licks 05-02-2008 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 14140645)
A foreign bank with the worst customer service in the world. :2 cents:
I can't remember the last time someone hacked my bank account and ripped me off.

I couldn't agree more. And the banks I deal with don't have issues like epass does + they don't even require all this information to do business and they have excellent customer service.

I am curious what will be the responsibility of epass when a persons personal info is stolen because epass failed to secure the information properly?

I can hear their response now, on second thought I wouldn't count on any response or help when this comes to light, if it ever does :winkwink:

dready 05-02-2008 08:39 AM

Glad ePass is finally taking things seriously. All these things should have happened a couple years ago. Better late than never.

Dollarmansteve 05-02-2008 09:13 AM

It seems that all the bank is asking epass to do is verify that

a) the person who is registered to the account is a real person
b) the person who has access to the money is the same person who the account is registered to.
c) the person who has access to the money and who is registered to the account has a legal residence in some country.

So, if you are a person, who legally resides somewhere in the world, are named on the account and are the person who has access to the money, you have no problem.

The only people who will not be able to comply are:

a) engaging in some kind of Tax evasion
b) using epassporte to launder ill-gotten funds
c) paranoid and should consider moving to a cabin in the woods, Unabomber style.

That's my 2cents.

Mr. Porn 05-02-2008 10:28 AM

Hello and good day! i would like to ask if it's ok, where shall i get or where is the ticket# located? thanks. :)

bobby666 05-02-2008 11:25 AM

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
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Originally Posted by Due (Post 14140436)
What will be the easiest way for me to comply when I use fake name and address, and the credits cards I use is stolen ? :helpme


onlineriches 05-02-2008 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onlineriches (Post 14139821)
Michael, is epassporte PCI compliant? If so can you post proof of recent audits. Can you elaborate on the security precautions being taken to secure and safe guard this data, who has access to it and who is charge of maintaining the confidentiality and integrity of the data. I believe that will help some people feel more comfortable, if I do not see concrete proof of significant security safeguards in place I will be closing my account.

In my opinion anyone that sends all of those documents is fucked in the head and will get what they deserve.

I wouldn't trust them with keeping shit secure, 1 rogue employee or 1 security breach and you are all fucked, not just small time credit card fraud but things could get really nasty if this amount of data was compromised. The best of the best get hacked, what is epassporte doing to make me feel any different?

EVERYONE SAY NO AND REFUSE TO USE EPASS UNLESS WE SEE SOME CONCRETE PROOF OF SECURITY STANDARDS AND PROPER DATA PROTECTION & STORAGE.

bump for a response on PCI compliance and other standards.

kmanrox 05-02-2008 11:59 AM

what a debacle this is... for better or worse...

Nikki_Licks 05-02-2008 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onlineriches (Post 14141860)
bump for a response on PCI compliance and other standards.


I doubt they will respond to your questions, because there probably is not an answer or at least one they can come up with at this time :winkwink:

qwe 05-02-2008 12:29 PM

another question, how do you filter which accounts need to be verified? looks like alot of really old once, so you flag all accounts over year old ? or how does it select?

just a punk 05-02-2008 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Due (Post 14140436)
What will be the easiest way for me to comply when I use fake name and address, and the credits cards I use is stolen ? :helpme

Actually the bad thing is that it won't be a problem for real scammers to photoshop fake the id's :( Thus I can't agree this will make epass more secure, but it's not a my system, so I have 2 choices: follow to the requirements, or just stop using it. So far I'm going to do the first. :2 cents:

seeric 05-02-2008 12:39 PM

big brother is watching

SlammedMedia 05-02-2008 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Slammed Network (Post 14140400)
I have a question! When can you stop making up phoney exchange rates and stealing money that's not yours?

Guess you're sticking to ripping off Canadian's, etc.

so many questions, so few answers

just a punk 05-02-2008 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 14142117)
big brother is watching

I was born in the USSR so big brother is not a problem for me :)

onlineriches 05-02-2008 12:49 PM

If they are forcing these requirements then surely they are PCI (Processing Card Industry) compliant, why not post the latest audits and discuss the processes in place to safeguard our sensitive information?

BradM 05-02-2008 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onlineriches (Post 14142196)
If they are forcing these requirements then surely they are PCI (Processing Card Industry) compliant, why not post the latest audits and discuss the processes in place to safeguard our sensitive information?

:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:thumbsup

CurrentlySober 05-02-2008 01:06 PM

i like epass poo

Pipecrew 05-02-2008 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 14141300)
It seems that all the bank is asking epass to do is verify that

a) the person who is registered to the account is a real person
b) the person who has access to the money is the same person who the account is registered to.
c) the person who has access to the money and who is registered to the account has a legal residence in some country.

So, if you are a person, who legally resides somewhere in the world, are named on the account and are the person who has access to the money, you have no problem.

The only people who will not be able to comply are:

a) engaging in some kind of Tax evasion
b) using epassporte to launder ill-gotten funds
c) paranoid and should consider moving to a cabin in the woods, Unabomber style.

That's my 2cents.

100%

You cant walk into any bank and give some bogus info, get a card and get paid to it. Hell paypal was even more of a pain in the ass to get an account, and they verified bank accounts and credit cards.

RayBonga 05-02-2008 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 14141300)
It seems that all the bank is asking epass to do is verify that

a) the person who is registered to the account is a real person
b) the person who has access to the money is the same person who the account is registered to.
c) the person who has access to the money and who is registered to the account has a legal residence in some country.

So, if you are a person, who legally resides somewhere in the world, are named on the account and are the person who has access to the money, you have no problem.

The only people who will not be able to comply are:

a) engaging in some kind of Tax evasion
b) using epassporte to launder ill-gotten funds
c) paranoid and should consider moving to a cabin in the woods, Unabomber style.

That's my 2cents.

Are you serious? Any of the people included in you a), b) and c) points will make up fake documents in no time. Epass has nothing to check the info that is sent with.

What they are doing in building useless bureaucracy, annoying their customers and putting personal information of users at risk. :2 cents:

HairToStay 05-02-2008 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onlineriches (Post 14142196)
If they are forcing these requirements then surely they are PCI (Processing Card Industry) compliant, why not post the latest audits and discuss the processes in place to safeguard our sensitive information?

And, if so, they are requiring a copy of the front and back of a credit card with CVV code clearly showing. Storing that is not allowed by the card association rules and regulations.

How is my info being stored other than "secure"? If I upload it, then what type of server is it being stored on? If I fax it over, what type of location is it being stored at?

onlineriches 05-02-2008 03:09 PM

I feel like ripping my fuckin' hair out today with the amount of idiots on this board.

kapopoy 05-02-2008 04:22 PM

what is Ticket #?

where can i find that in my epass account?

BradM 05-02-2008 04:47 PM

Stop comparing epass to a bank.

I won't submit this shit to epass because the info is NOT secure. If I open a BofA account there is no risk of personal identity theft etc.

At Epass 4 people could just go rogue and walk out with everyones info. Enough to completely destroy peoples lives.

Are you joking? Come on. If you submit this info, I will post this reply in every one of your "omg i got fucked" threads.

kapopoy 05-02-2008 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kapopoy (Post 14143409)
what is Ticket #?

where can i find that in my epass account?

i need to know what is that so i can upload my requirements now

RayBonga 05-02-2008 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradM (Post 14143484)
Stop comparing epass to a bank.

I won't submit this shit to epass because the info is NOT secure. If I open a BofA account there is no risk of personal identity theft etc.

At Epass 4 people could just go rogue and walk out with everyones info. Enough to completely destroy peoples lives.

Are you joking? Come on. If you submit this info, I will post this reply in every one of your "omg i got fucked" threads.

Ditto :disgust

kapopoy 05-02-2008 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kapopoy (Post 14143409)
what is Ticket #?

where can i find that in my epass account?

paging epass rep!

:Oh crap

facialfreak 05-03-2008 12:05 AM

I would like an answer to how they figure they can legally store CVV2 numbers?? I am sure that the major credit card conglomerates would not be very happy about this either ...

Where is Chad Bellevue, JD Obenberger, Lawrence Walters, or other internet lawyers who used to frequent GFY when we need them?

facialfreak 05-03-2008 12:14 AM

Found this tidbit on VISA's website :

Card Verification Value 2 (CVV2)

Is a three-digit number imprinted on the signature panel of Visa cards to help card-not-present merchants verify that the customer has a legitimate card in hand at the time of the order. The merchant asks the customer for the CVV2 code and then sends it to the card Issuer as part of the authorization request. The card Issuer checks the CVV2 code to determine its validity, then sends a CVV2 result back to the merchant along with the authorization. CVV2 is required on all Visa cards.

To protect CVV2 data from being compromised, Visa U.S.A. Inc. Operating Regulations prohibit merchants from keeping or storing CVV2 numbers once a transaction has been completed.

As the card that we use to load our Epassporte is not issued by them, for all intense purposes, they fall into the category of merchant for the transaction involving our signing up for an epassporte card!

facialfreak 05-03-2008 12:26 AM

For MasterCard:
http://www.mastercardmerchant.com/do...hant_rules.pdf

Page 5-2:
Quote:

2.8.2.1 Disclosure Restrictions for CVC 2 Data
Acquirers, merchants, and merchant service providers may not store CVC 2
data in any manner or for any purpose.
Assessments for failure to adhere to these CVC 2 data use and safeguarding
rules will apply. MasterCard may impose a noncompliance assessment of up
to USD 100,000 for each violation if the acquirer, or any of its merchants or
Member Service Providers (MSPs), fails to comply with these requirements
within 30 days of discovery or notice of noncompliance.
So as you can clearly see, for ANY Acquirers, merchants, and merchant service providers TO STORE CVV2 NUMBERS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, IS ILLEGAL, AND DEALT WITH VERY STRICTLY ...

Could we start a CLASS ACTION to keep Epassporte honest I wonder??

facialfreak 05-03-2008 12:29 AM

I am truly sorry Michael, as I have dealt with you in the past, and you are HANDS DOWN the GREATEST asset that Epassporte has ....

I'm sorry to be making your life more difficult Bro :(

CaptainHowdy 05-03-2008 01:24 AM

Michael,

I also uploaded a pic of me blowing a kiss ;)! I LOVE EPASS!

Michael O 05-03-2008 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kapopoy (Post 14143931)
paging epass rep!

:Oh crap

Just leave the ticket# balnk.

spunkmister 05-03-2008 01:42 AM

for all the guys complaining about not feeling safe sending documents, um dont send them and stop using epass....its their fucking company, they run it the way they want...they provide a service, you dont like said service then stop using them...stop trying to crusade against identity theft etc and move on. most of you come off as whiny bitches.

if they said they wont release any funds until they receive the documents then that is a whole different story but MichaelO has already mentioned that they will allow you to get your money and then close your account.

paymeback 05-03-2008 01:48 AM

In regards to the CVV2 number cant you just black it out before you upload it to epass?

polish_aristocrat 05-03-2008 01:52 AM

Will uploading these documents mean that the account won't become frozen anymore when it reaches $5k balance?


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