Fucking shit !!! lol I had a long ass post and I sent it and it said "cannot find server" !!! :ak47:
Okay I'll make this short and sweet. I'm against abortions and I personaly think it should be illigal but I also understand why it's not. I really wish ppl took life seriously. A human life is not something to just throw away.

http://www.neatspot.net/kids.jpg

I could never give up my little rugrats :thumbsup

not too good of a pic though :(

typical.... it's always our fault isn't it.

it's not your fault if you're not one of those men :winkwink:

Don't know how the laws are in your state, but if your ex is living with a man and not married, and has your children living there as well.... seems to me that you could do somethin about that..
Having you talked to your attorney about your kids being forced to live with a man who isn't married to their mother?

I'm not sure there is an option if the woman has legal custody.

What magical wonderland are y'all living in where child support payments actually get PAID?

I got divorced from my 1st husband over eight years ago. (He left me, BTW -- I had an 18 month old child, jack shit to my name, bruises from my last beating, and nowhere to live, asshole kicked me out.) The court ruled that he owed me $130 a mo. in child support. A year later, after having received maybe $300 all told over the course of the last year, I took him to court, and they ruled to garnish his wages.

So he quits his job and goes to work in a friend's warehouse -- said friend agreed to pay him under the table so that "that bitch ex-wife" wouldn't get his money. Meanwhile, I'm on food stamps and welfare AND working to keep my baby fed. After that, he moved from minimum-wage job to minimum-wage job, and moving from town to town, keeping just ahead of the garnishment paperwork, so I got nothing.

And I've continued to get nothing -- but it doesn't make any difference now anyway. I make a good living, I'm off all gov't assistance (have been for 6 years now) and my child's needs are taken care of, my rent is paid on time, and I don't need his piddly $130 a month.

If you want to bitch about men getting shafted with unfair child support payments, thank fucksticks like my ex for being deadbeats and making the men who try to keep up with payments and take care of their responsibilities look bad.

You tell'em sista! lol Good for you :)
If the bastard can't pay don't ever let him see his kid!

Disturbing..

a one night stand isn't a relationship and if a woman thinks fucking a stranger is the beginning of a relationship then she's stupid.

I meant that maybe you shouldn't have one night stands. Their too dangerous.Why risk it for what... sex? Oh please , use your hand. Atleast you know you won't get it pregnant or get any std's.

No ... bad women collect countless dollars that poor defenseless men pay out. Haven't you read this thread? Men good ... women bad.

Heh -- that hasn't ever been a problem! :1orglaugh The asshole has seen her once in the last two years, and that was because he had a new 19 y.o. dumber-than-shit girlfriend, and he wanted to impress the bitch with how good of a daddy he was.

Not only does he not pay CS for or visit his daughter by me, he got married (and divorced again, ha!) after he was divorced from me, and he has a daughter by that poor woman, too, who he doesn't pay CS for or visit. Last I heard, his ass was flippin burgers at McDonalds. :thefinger

Oh, yeah -- that wonderland. The one where misogynistic assholes who think their dick entitles them to King of All Shit status all apparently live. On second thought, I'm glad I don't live there...:winkwink:

indeed. also, get sterilized & don't sleep with/date single moms, EVER.

this is the kind of stuff that should be taught in junior/high school sex ed. teach them that chances are they will get divorced, and when they do, if they're a guy, 90%+ chance they will lose their kid too, and have to fork over money which will be spent on whatever the mother wants (no accountability) - and there's not a damn thing the men can do about it.

i'd like to see the abstinance numbers after this sex ed!

why shouldn't men date single moms?

did you read the thread? :)

You're just a dipshit...you only want it convenient for yourself.

There are two people making the decision to have sex...but it is your fault if you decide to do this knowing full well that neither party is using birth control.

This is of course barring any unfortunate turns of events like you are the lucky guy with the faulty condom ;)

You fuck a chick get her pregnant...then man up.

Not saying you haven't...just speaking to the gen pop.

you're missing the point... the point here is that the man wasn't even married to the woman - why wouldn't he marry her if he wanted to take care of her and the child? obviously, he didn't want to.

he's the price for dating a single mom.

kids, avoid single moms.

of course, this is not entirely true. it is your fault and her fault - she can use birth control, too - much better birth control in fact! plus, she can choose to have an abortion. the guy has very limited options here.

"man up" - haha. boy. the "women are equal to men" argument takes a hit!

right on. it's nice (and extremely rare) to see women take responsibility for their lives like this! sincerely, two thumbs up.

Did you even read any of this thread before posting? You are either, illiterate, have the reading and comprehension skills of a seven yr old child or you need to cut back on your estrogen injections.

Condensed version for the learning impaired like my friend Eroswebmaster.

1. There is a difference between supporting a child and providing a free meal ticket to cheating ex spouses (male or female)

2. I am not saying that the child should not be provided for, just that the current "blanket", "no fault divorce", "one size fits all" child support decrees are outdated, and that there are numerous variable that should be considered.

3. They system need reevaluated and reformed.

4. If you don't believe that there are women out there right this minute looking for a military man, career man, etc.. to get them pregnant so that they can receive child support and not have to work then you have obviously lived a very lonely and sheltered life.


For the women and men here raising their children with NO support from their ex spouses, I am sorry. That really sucks that they won't meet their legal and MORAL responsibilites.

Hey Eroswebmaster, did you catch the VERY FIRST POST where you can be made to support a child even if you are not the biological father???

You really should...

A. Start over and read very slowly (saying the words out loud may help)

B. Skip this thread altogether and find one where intelligence is not required.



RD

yes i did. maybe i'm missing something so please explane.

you sound like such a dip shit you know that? She along with many other single mothers out there are making their way in this world with a child that she and him made with no help from him.
You're talking about responsibility that she's taking? WTF about his responsibility? Wise up buddy or you'll only end up with a woman as stupid as you. :thefinger

I think if you've been with the mother and her kid (s) for a lengthy period of time then yes you should pay child support. You are now that childs daddy.After yrs or a yr. of raising that child do you really think that you're not obligated to pay support?

Because if we got one pregnant chances are she's keeping it.

Abortion is good, not only is our earth overpopulated but if you have the kid, it'll just end up wishing it was never born because of psychological problems associated with not having a father and a bitter mother who hates men.

One day the greatest man will come along and do everything right but that won't matter because women are attracted to jerks and single moms prove it.

Australia is just as fucked up, I'm not saying that men shouldn't have to pay child support but the system is weighted in favour of the woman in most cases

My accountant has joint custody of his kids but still pays in excess of 30% of his pre-tax income to his ex even though he has custody more than 45% of the time.
Every time I see his kids they are dressed in rags (otherwise they are very happy well adjusted kids) because the ex is planning on spending the next 13 years paying off her mortgage and building herself a nest egg.

get real. i don't know who you're talking about or what u think u know but you're deffinatly not speaking for all single moms i hope.

yeah our earth is over populate so lets kill all babies? fuck off dickhead.
what problems? not all single mothers have resentment towards their ex. sounds like you're bitter buddy.we can do just fine without your petty money and your two cents worth.

not all kids without a father wish they weren't born (maybe u do thats why u think all kids do)????
chances are this single mother will be smart and teach her child well and a great man will come along one day and take on another stupid mans responsibility. good for him! he's the one who can take that on and it's someone like you that wouldn't be able to handle that!

Reading through this thread I'm glad that I'm still good friends with my ex and we've never had to get the courts or child support agency involved! He pays me no alimony or child support but if I need something I know he'll happily let me have the money for it (luckily this isn't often). He see's our son several times a week and has him stay over Saturday night, in fact he see's him more now than when we were together. When I became pregnant it was with the knowledge that if anything happened to the childs father I could support myself in some way while still bringing up my son myself and not sending him off to day care or a child minder.

My ex will be here in an hour or so to take me grocery shopping and in return for him driving me to the city I'll buy him lunch!

Your lucky to be in such an amicable situation Kelly

unfortunately situations like yours are not the norm.

No Rockdaddy you are the one missing the big picture.

There is much more involved in taking care of a child than just food...and some school clothes.

The lady brought up a very valid point...and that is if you want everyone to pay half..then pay FUCKING HALF.

If the kid lived with you then you'd be PAYING IT ALL.

Half involves dentist visits...doctor visits...meds....
vitamins...tampons...what the fuck ever.

If the kid wants to go to summer school...then pay fucking half.

If the kid wants his/her sophomore annual...then pay fucking half.

Own up...

And dipshit...lay off the rock...maybe your kids might get better taken care of and daddy wouldn't have to make excuses.

I don't need to read this fucking thread...even though I did.

I've been cleaning up my brother in laws problems for going on 10 years now.

In fact...his "problems" are on their way to Vegas right now to live with me yet once again.

I've been raising his children on and off for 10 fucking years now...and in that time the man has paid squat...in fact he owes well over $30K in back child support.

Is he in jail? Hell no...but should be.


And edited to add: You ain't got shit on me...don't start talking out your ass about divorces and child support etc.

I've seen it all since 19 fucking 76.

I've been in family court more times than some people have been in church.

No, don't stop working. Prepare for the worst. Sign a prenuptial agreement. It may not save you from the courts thinking you're a deadbeat dad, but it will save you the $3 - $4k/mo of alimony.

[/QUOTE]Half involves dentist visits...doctor visits...meds....
vitamins...tampons...what the fuck ever.[/QUOTE]

Eroswebmaster, sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder regarding your brother in law and your "sisters?" kids.

That's nice of you to help but what is wrong with your sister that in ten years she has not been capable of taking actions in her life to further her earning potentials? Is she lazy, stupid or what?

You make it seem like your poor sweet and innocent sister was the "victim" in a "hit and run fucking" and she did not even get the license plate.

Should her ex have to pay 1/2 of the childs needs, yes. Should he have to pay 1/2 of your sisters needs, no.

"And dipshit, lay of the rock"?, oh, rock = rockdaddy. I get it. You are really reaching now though. I think you've hit the bottom on this one.

Ok, probably my last post on this one.

There are too many different scenarios and each one should be looked at individually before passing blame.


The girl that gets knocked up in the bathroom at a nightclub after a few drinks

is different than

The woman who stays at home, works three jobs and takes care of the kids while her husband goes to law school, lands a great job and runs off with the secretary.

is different than

The wife that is doing daily gangbangs at The Wetlands.

and so on,

AND.. you hear over and over, "it's not the kids fault", "they didn't do anything wrong" etc.. but in the next sentence the same people are screaming "Don't let them see the kids if they don't pay" wtf, Well, I got news for you, that is taking it out on the kids, punishing them to try and hurt your ex, you are probably hurting your child more than your ex anyway.

Anyway.... everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I wish everyone the best.

Later,
RD

Boohoo, wanna have a cry about it? How often does he get to see them? $41/week is a LOT of money. Would you rather only have to pay $41/week or getting to see the children you love every day?

Work for your damn money and support you and your children's expenses yourself. Stop sulking about $41/month not being enough.

Err stop going to the feminist meetings and open your god damn eyes. Why is it SOLELY the man who has to "think before he sticks his dick in?" Uhm... did it ever occur to you that women should be thinking about it as well?

What about the women who pop wholes in a god damn condom just so they can have a baby?

You make out as if it's entirely on the man's shoulders if the girl gets pregnant. If a girl get's pregnant, she still has the choice to not have that baby. So it's fine for the girl to think "oh ok, it's ok for me to have sex because I can have the choice in the end, sucks to be the guy" and the guy has to decide before he sticks his dick in whether or not he wants to do it because he ultimately has no decision about the baby? Open your fucking eyes.

The law is basically discriminating against men who wish to have sex. They have to think before participating in sex in case the girl gets pregnant AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT. Whereas a girl can have sex and then decide later about the baby. That is... D I S C R I M I N A T I O N.

And you're fucking support that ideal? Realise that men should have the choice on whether or not to have a baby if pregnancy occurs. If the girl DOESN'T want to have an abortion or give the child up for adoption - SO BE IT! But then she gets NO child support from the guy.

You're stupid if you think it should be any other way.

P.S.

Here's another flaw in your pathetic argument.

WHEN DO YOU DECIDE WHEN A FETUS BECOMES A CHILD OR NOT?!

Are all eggs living things? Is it when the egg becomes fertilized? Is it a day after pegnancy? A week? A month? How can you ever speculate on when a fetus ceases to be that, and becomes a living thing? In short, you can't.

By your argument, every time you menstruate, you're killing millions of lives, YOU MURDERER YOU! HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT!

You're not killing a child, you're merely ending an unwanted pregnancy.

And to even more issues - did you ever think about how it would be like to bring this child into the world unwanted? Putting a child up for adoption isn't like auctioning your house. It's not an easy life for the child AT ALL in so many cases.

Abortion is fine, it is not murder.

We're talking about the law here, we're not talking about when this man suddenly becomes the father because he hangs around for a little while.

HE IS NOT THE FATHER! He has no obligation to pay for this child. Unless he WILLINGLY wishes to support this child, he SHOULD NOT HAVE TO because HE DID NOT HAVE THIS CHILD.

No matter what this says about his character, whether he's looked on as lacking compassion or what not, that is to do with his CHARACTER not the LAW. The law decides what you CAN and CAN'T do and what you are OBLIGED to do. He is not obliged to pay for this child, he should not have to.

Your opinions are sexist and they make me sick.

With the way the law is right now, one night stands are the way to go. If you have no say in whether or not a child is born, I'd much rather have casual sex with a total stranger and never have to worry about it anymore rather than having a horrible, stressful relationship with someone I really didn't want to know and waste my money on a kid I didn't want to have.