the war in Iraq is costing us too much

[DaddyHalbucks]

You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:

Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.

Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77



2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.HTML



5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html



6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html



7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html



8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html



9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html



10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html



11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens who crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.

Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht



12. The National Policy Institute 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf



13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/g eneral75/niht.htm



14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes

Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.'
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml



The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

Whoa!!

I just realized that the Iraq war ain't our real problem.

[BradM]

Idiot.
Iraq is a real problem.

This is ALSO a real problem. Add both numbers together to see a major issue.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by BradM

Idiot.
Iraq is a real problem.

This is ALSO a real problem. Add both numbers together to see a major issue.

Please add Medicare D to the list. Bush' biggest mistake in office which will cost more than the Iraq war eventually. The biggest increase in social welfare in at least 40 years i am pretty sure.

[Tempest]

And the point is???

[CIVMatt]

Yeah I'm at the point, I dont care if you like or dislike the war, its bankrupting the fucking country

[Kevsh]

The reality is that even if you solve the illegal alien problem AND get out of Iraq, all those billions that will be saved will still never end up in the hands of those that really need it... Like people that are still homeless from Katrina, or war veterans who are disgustingly treated, or the millions living and dying on your streets.

But maybe what's sadder is that there hasn't been a revolt in the U.S.? While $12B is being spent IN Iraq fixing up their country, you've got all that mentioned above at home. I guess as long as people are so self-absorbed in their own lives, they don't really care .. beyond griping on GFY ;)

[Brujah]

"If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem." — George W. Bush, Jan. 2001.

[DaddyHalbucks]

At least the Iraq war has freed 30 million people and given some hope for democracy and long term peace in the Middle East.

Nothing good will ever come from aid to illegal aliens, or from welfare which is simply paying people to become parasites.

[Socks]

So you're saying that all of the USA's problems add up to around $330bln dollars.

The US "defense budget" for 2007 was around $650bln dollars, about 50% of what the entire world spends on military. Also keep in mind this DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PRICE OF THE WARS!!!!!

I'm very happy that millions of Mexicans are being hired willingly by US citizens running US companies so they can send the money home to their families.

Fuck you.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

At least the Iraq war has freed 30 million people and given some hope for democracy and long term peace in the Middle East.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

At least the Iraq war has freed 30 million people and given some hope for democracy and long term peace in the Middle East.

YOU DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Nothing good will ever come from aid to illegal aliens, or from welfare which is simply paying people to become parasites.

Another study that analyzes net cost instead of one-sided cost indicates their is a greater benefit or a net positive that illegal aliens provide. You should research that too maybe, unless you don't care and are just racist.

[BradM]

I like you.

Originally Posted by Kevsh

The reality is that even if you solve the illegal alien problem AND get out of Iraq, all those billions that will be saved will still never end up in the hands of those that really need it... Like people that are still homeless from Katrina, or war veterans who are disgustingly treated, or the millions living and dying on your streets.

But maybe what's sadder is that there hasn't been a revolt in the U.S.? While $12B is being spent IN Iraq fixing up their country, you've got all that mentioned above at home. I guess as long as people are so self-absorbed in their own lives, they don't really care .. beyond griping on GFY ;)

[BradM]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Another study that analyzes net cost instead of one-sided cost indicates their is a greater benefit or a net positive that illegal aliens provide. You should research that too maybe, unless you don't care and are just racist.

He's just racist.

Also people like him don't ask themselves: "Where does that US money go once it leaves the USA?"
It's a US minted note. For it to be worth anything, the money has to go back to the US. There's actually no harm in money being sent anywhere. All we lose is the cost of the paper until it comes back to a US bank.

People are idiots.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

At least the Iraq war has freed 30 million people and given some hope for democracy and long term peace in the Middle East.

Nothing good will ever come from aid to illegal aliens, or from welfare which is simply paying people to become parasites.

You sir, are an idiot.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by StuartD

You sir, are an idiot.

If anyone has ever questioned that, they too are stupid. DaddyHalbucks is a fake nick. No one is as dumb as he claims to be.

[kane]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

At least the Iraq war has freed 30 million people and given some hope for democracy and long term peace in the Middle East.

Nothing good will ever come from aid to illegal aliens, or from welfare which is simply paying people to become parasites.

What signs of peace and democracy are you seeing in Iraq? Sure they had a vote, but the government can't seem to get anything done. They can't seem to train a police force or military and there is non-stop chaos and violence over there. the only reason much of the country is at peace is because there are US soldiers standing on the corner with machine guns. When we start pulling troops out, violence increases. When we have a surge in troops it goes down. The Iraqi people are flooding out of the country to places like Syria because now, years later, many of them still don't have dependable electricity or running water and gangs rule many of the streets.

There has never been peace in the Middle East and I am of the opinion that there never will be. The Muslim religion, the enormous gap in wealth, the lack of non-radical education and the supression of information by many of the leaders will keep the people filled with hate and zealotry and as long as that continues you can't have peace. Our leaders thinking they can spread democracy through the barrel of a gun is stupid, misguided and hopeless.

Oh yeah, and if you go back and look at it Bush and his crew didn't start talking about liberating the Iraqi people until right before we went into the country because by then he realized there was no other evidence. We had inspectors go in and they couldn't find any weapons (they weren't given very long though) there were no proven ties to Bin Laden and the documents that showed Saddam was trying to buy nuclear material turned out to be fakes (something he already knew when he stood up in front of the country and waved them around as he made his case for invasion). By the time we were invading every reason we had suddenly was not as rock solid as we thought and Bush decided if we backed down it would make us look bad so then and only then did we start talking about liberating people. Liberation was never our noble cause, it was our last resort and I feel in the end we will eventually leave, there will chaos, civil war and someone, somehow, will take power and we will try to make friends with them and all the money spent and lives lost will be for nothing.

I agree with you the illegal aliens in our country is a huge problem. I live in a city with a lot of illegals in it and see it first hand, but let's not compare the two. How can you president say he is trying to stop terrorism when he leaves our borders open to anyone that wants to walk in?

sorry for the long post

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I just realized that the Iraq war ain't our real problem.

Yes, me as well. Its people like yourself.

[mozadek]

Cant put a price on American freedom and safety from terrorism. I mean come on, since the invasion of Iraq there has not been another 9/11, then again, we're Iraqis involved in 9/11 ;)

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Yes, me as well. Its people like yourself.

[Richard Avery]

I like to think positive... "I'm positive that life sucks."

[Drake]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

At least the Iraq war has freed 30 million people and given some hope for democracy and long term peace in the Middle East.

It's done neither. It's caused thousand of deaths and created over 2 million refugees. There will be no democracy in the ME in your lifetime.

[gadabout]

Originally Posted by BradM

If anyone has ever questioned that, they too are stupid. DaddyHalbucks is a fake nick. No one is as dumb as he claims to be.

I work with someone who is. He loves Bush, thinks we are rescuing the Iraq people, Iran is a major terrorist threat, all blacks are thieves, and the economy is just a little bad.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by directfiesta