kane

What signs of peace and democracy are you seeing in Iraq? Sure they had a vote, but the government can't seem to get anything done. They can't seem to train a police force or military and there is non-stop chaos and violence over there. the only reason much of the country is at peace is because there are US soldiers standing on the corner with machine guns. When we start pulling troops out, violence increases. When we have a surge in troops it goes down. The Iraqi people are flooding out of the country to places like Syria because now, years later, many of them still don't have dependable electricity or running water and gangs rule many of the streets.

There has never been peace in the Middle East and I am of the opinion that there never will be. The Muslim religion, the enormous gap in wealth, the lack of non-radical education and the supression of information by many of the leaders will keep the people filled with hate and zealotry and as long as that continues you can't have peace. Our leaders thinking they can spread democracy through the barrel of a gun is stupid, misguided and hopeless.

Oh yeah, and if you go back and look at it Bush and his crew didn't start talking about liberating the Iraqi people until right before we went into the country because by then he realized there was no other evidence. We had inspectors go in and they couldn't find any weapons (they weren't given very long though) there were no proven ties to Bin Laden and the documents that showed Saddam was trying to buy nuclear material turned out to be fakes (something he already knew when he stood up in front of the country and waved them around as he made his case for invasion). By the time we were invading every reason we had suddenly was not as rock solid as we thought and Bush decided if we backed down it would make us look bad so then and only then did we start talking about liberating people. Liberation was never our noble cause, it was our last resort and I feel in the end we will eventually leave, there will chaos, civil war and someone, somehow, will take power and we will try to make friends with them and all the money spent and lives lost will be for nothing.

I agree with you the illegal aliens in our country is a huge problem. I live in a city with a lot of illegals in it and see it first hand, but let's not compare the two. How can you president say he is trying to stop terrorism when he leaves our borders open to anyone that wants to walk in?

sorry for the long post