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baddog 04-23-2008 06:41 PM
Well, for the only thread, not a bad 150

Libertine 04-23-2008 06:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Young (Post 14104781)
Obama's problem? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Colorado

Rasmussen. 4/16. Likely voters. MoE 4.5% (3/17 results)

McCain (R) 43 (46)
Obama (D) 46 (46)

McCain (R) 50 (52)
Clinton (D) 36 (38)

North Carolina:

Rasmussen. 4/10. Likely voters. MoE 4.5% (3/20 results)

McCain (R) 47 (51)
Obama (D) 47 (42)

McCain (R) 51 (50)
Clinton (D) 40 (34)

California

Rasmussen. 4/16. Likely voters. MoE 4.5% (3/12 results)

McCain (R) 43 (38)
Obama (D) 50 (53)

McCain (R) 42 (39)
Clinton (D) 47 (46)


Minnesota

SurveyUSA. 4/11-13. Likely voters. MoE 4.3% (3/14-16 results)

McCain (R) 43 (47)
Obama (D) 49 (46)

McCain (R) 46 (46)
Clinton (D) 47 (49)

Washington:

SurveyUSA. 4/14-17. Likely voters. MoE 4% (3/14-16 results)

McCain (R) 40 (47)
Obama (D) 53 (48)

McCain (R) 45 (47)
Clinton (D) 48 (47)


Arizona.

Rasmussen. 4/15. Likely voters. MoE 4.5% (No trend lines)

McCain (R) 57
Obama (D) 37

McCain (R) 60
Clinton (D) 32



This is ALL post Reverend Wright. And all of these numbers reflect an untouched, untested, and unvetted John McCain due to the Dem race. Now are you going to tell me that polls don't matter? I can post more. I grabbed these quickly off the KOS but one visit to Rasmussen and you'll see that this is a trend. He loses Florida but she loses all the "states that don't matter". Stop drinking the Clinton Kool-Aid. It's amazing how they'll make a statement and every believes that it must be true since the Clinton's said it.
Eh, have you even looked at the polls you posted? In only 1 of those Clinton loses where Obama would win, and in another Obama and McCain tie where Clinton would lose.

Meanwhile, here's an Ohio to add to the Florida:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...dent/ohio.html

Or, here's a more useful overall comparison of electoral votes:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp200...aps/Apr23.html Clinton 289 McCain 239 Tied 10
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp200...aps/Apr23.html Obama 269 McCain 254 Tied 15

Obviously, these are all just polls, and things will still change. The point should be clear, though.

Now, Clinton doesn't have a chance in hell of getting the Dem nomination, so I'm rooting for Obama to win the general election. That doesn't take away from the fact that Clinton would have had a better chance of beating McCain.

stev0 04-23-2008 06:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 14099893)
There's hockey on. Everything else is going to have to fucking wait.
Exactly :thumbsup

Tom_PM 04-23-2008 08:05 PM
Showing polls that try to show Obama doing better in a hypothetical matchiup with McCain, is an Obama tactic as well in his speeches. He tries to skim over this little problem he's having.

Also, the margin of error on all of those polls is large enough for them to be completely the opposite.

It's a CLOSE primary, we can deal with it. Everyone should just be prepared to see the one they dont want winning, and it'll be fine.

Snake Doctor 04-23-2008 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14104054)
Here's a good example of Obama's big problem:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...t/florida.html

In Florida, Obama doesn't have the slightest chance of beating McCain. Hillary, on the other hand, would actually have some chance of beating McCain.
Two things.

1) Obama never campaigned in Florida. In every state where he has campaigned his numbers have gone up. In Ohio and Pennsylvania he started out down by over 20 points and closed to within 10 in just a few weeks. Logic would dictate that his number in Florida would rise as well once he started campaigning there.


2) General election polls taken before the party conventions are worthless. The election is in 7 months. 4 months ago, before Iowa, Hillary was ahead nationwide by 20 points....things obviously didn't stay that way.

GatorB will prove my point for me...

Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14104864)
You know this time 4 years ago Kerry led Bush by 15 points. how'd that turn out?

Snake Doctor 04-23-2008 08:18 PM
These polls about how Clinton supporters won't vote for Obama and Obama supporters won't vote for Clinton are hogwash.

If you ask people this while the two are still slugging it out then of course the most die-hard of their supporters are only going to say things to the pollsters that they believe helps their candidate.

Once it's all over people are going to have to choose between the Democrat and McCain, and the fact that they're voting in the democratic primary tells you all you need to know about how they'll vote come November.

Tempest 04-23-2008 08:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 14101772)
I only pointed out that he has more money, more donors, more pledged delegates, more votes, and more states won. You (dick that you are) are the one who took that a step further and said that I said those things are the reason he'll win, when all I said was just that he has more money, more donors, more pledged delegates, more votes, and more states won. I simply stated those as a matter of fact in response your implication that all Obama and his supporters have is "hope".

As if you're the only one who understands the real world and the 15 million people who have voted for Obama so far are just delusional children.

The rest of your idiotic post was just a straw man argument against what you think I said, because you either have a reading comprehension problem or you intentionally twisted or added to my words just so you could make your weak ass case for why the person who got less votes is actually the strongest candidate.

You are now on ignore, fuck you very much. :321GFY
Boo the fucking hoo... god your a such a child.. Go back to mimicing boneprone with the "I fucked her" antics since you don't even have the mental chops to come up with your own schtick.


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