Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 14071328)

?death to America and to Israel?

Well let's talk about Israel a bit here. First, how did we Americans get mixed into your regional problems? Second, not only do we send billions every year to Israel, but we also send billions to your neighbors to leave you alone ie., Egypt and Turkey. When you say you make the best weapons and we "trade" technology it's not the truth. In 1991 when scud missiles were raining down on your country we sent the "new" patriot missile system to protect the people of Israel. Then 2 years later Israel gets caught selling PMS technology to China and sadly this is NOT the first time Israel has been caught selling our technology. The US congress finally got some balls and stood up against the Israeli lobbyists and passed a law that Israel will NEVER see the F-22 raptor with the star of David on it.

In truth, you need to ask yourself why have the jews been kicked out, persecuted, or murdered in every country throughout history?

Originally Posted by spunkmister (Post 14071149)

"pre emptive" strike? so looks to me Israel attacked first....how is that not starting a war?

Originally Posted by Azoy? (Post 14071666)

Who started fucking with who first ?

Originally Posted by Azoy? (Post 14071666)

Guess you choose to ignore the rest of the paragraph where it stated the following

1. Egypt expelled the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) from the Sinai Peninsula, which had been stationed there since 1957 (following the 1956 Sinai invasion to allow for a free Suez Canal), to provide a peace-keeping buffer zone.
2. In reaction to Israeli-Syrian tensions, Egypt amassed 1000 tanks and 100,000 soldiers on the border,
3. Closed the Straits of Tiran to all ships flying Israeli flags or carrying strategic materials, and called for unified Arab action against Israel.

Would you lie sitting down when equipment and boats can not get into your country to supply it with goods that people require to survive ?
Lets see what happends if any country had it's goods stoped at sea by another country just because. That my friend is an agression and some may consider an act of war.
Who started fucking with who first ?

Originally Posted by kmanrox (Post 14071242)

yeah, gas prices sure have tumbled since we invaded!

Originally Posted by Azoy? (Post 14071666)

Who started fucking with who first ?

Originally Posted by spunkmister (Post 14071722)

Doesnt the Isralie government control goods into palestine? Did they not freeze assests? Dont they regulate food and fuel? Its a wonder the people are frustrated...

you can argue this back and forth...go back in history to see who started what etc etc but just like all the other radicals all the pro Isralie guys are just as guilty of not seeing that they are also a part of the problem...the blame doesnt just go to one group.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14071798)

Sometimes we need to be at war, this is not one of those times. The middle east war and war on global terrorism is creating more terror than we ever previously had, and it will continue to do so. The war will never end until we fully withdraw from the now occupied lands that they consider stolen and/or holy. It's pretty simple logic since they have told us for the last 20 something years they would stop if we would leave.

We should not be at war with Iraq at all and we should not have invaded an entire country looking for one man and his group.

We can't play world police, we can't fight a global war on terrorism, we can't continue to finance a war on dept, period. By supporting this war or any war, right now, you are supporting the murder of your own country. Wake up.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14071227)

Guess I never realized you were a racist.

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 14071406)

Ahhh Israel

Poor poor Israel

One day the Israeli people will see why you can't just lie to the rest of the world. They will see why when you commit numerous violations of UN resolutions the world will no longer back you. They will see why when you steal, cheat, kill and murder innocent civilians the world will no longer support your illegal claim to any land.

What a sad time it is for Israel, you are losing your control of the media, literally the only thing that has kept the rest of the world from turning on you, and it is only a matter of time before Israel takes its place as an illegally founded and illegally occupied religious state and its leaders pay for what they've done.

Only a matter of time :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Occupation101.com to see some FACTS from an award winning movie, NOT a biased movie, and people with great credentials both Israelis and others talking about whats happening.

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 14071406)

Occupation101.com to see some FACTS from an award winning movie, NOT a biased movie, and people with great credentials both Israelis and others talking about whats happening.

Originally Posted by Isradude (Post 14070790)

always fought (and won) our own wars ....

Originally Posted by Azoy? (Post 14071830)

Probably the best argument I heard so far in this thread but do you think the new president will do anything about it ?
That is a tough call cause if you pull out you look like you gave up on things and leave them in the middle of disester and if you stay you are staying and also causing problems.
No real easy answer.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14071316)

So you think Israel should just keep turning the other cheek?

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14071316)

It is not Israel's fault that Hamas hides out in civilian neighborhoods, using civilians as shields. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14071316)

Attack and retaliation are not the same thing.

Originally Posted by kmanrox (Post 14071242)

yeah, gas prices sure have tumbled since we invaded!

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14071227)

Guess I never realized you were a racist.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 14071954)

how is attacking and killing civilians "turning the other cheek" ? the expression means you dont do anything in return , this of course wouldnt be a very good expression to use on israel as they haven't done that.





then i guess its not hamas's fault israel does the exact same thing, if my neighbour had a cannon that shot 200 ft and i lived 190 ft away , i would move 11 ft further.:winkwink:


What are you smoking ? You really believe israeli soldiers are hiding between civilians like Hamas is doing ?




so who is doing the attacking and who is doing the retaliation ?

seems to me they are both retaliating each others attacks. the problem is nobody can agree who started the attacking and they both claim they are retaliating. What we can agree on purely by math is that israel has killed more civilians by leaps and bounds.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 14072022)

True to a point, but also remember America is the largest consumer and producer of oil per country. :2 cents:

Also, he who has them most military technology dictates the world.

Originally Posted by Azoy? (Post 14070648)

Did you see this today ?
Iran would 'eliminate Israel' if attacked according to the army general in that country. I wonder what they mean by attacked and how they define it. Maybe they are trying to find a reason to go to war.
I mean this country is totally fucked up.
Instead of Iraq, Bush should have gone after Iran.
It is not the first time they say such a statement.
One thing is for sure, if Iran is going to try something Israel will nuke it with the nuclear weapons that do not exsist and we will all pay 12 dollars a gallon in gas.

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 14070753)

The reason of the invasion was energy (oil), pure and simple.

Originally Posted by D (Post 14070762)

Actually, I'm pretty certain that Iran, China, and Russia are still allied... so it would mean - at least initially - Iran, Russia, and China vs. the U.S. and Israel with other countries taking sides as they see helps their interests.

Something to think about before we start casting stones. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 14071014)

Jesus fucking Christ....... These fucking idiots just don't get it, do they? The art of war has changed.

In the 1980s Russia invaded Afghanistan and got their asses kicked. We went in a few years ago after 9/11 and the country was ours in a month. We've been to war with Iraq twice now, and they got their asses handed to them so quick that it was comical.

Keeping in mind that Iran was at war for nearly a decaded with Iraq, how do they think they can keep up?

I'm not saying the US is the best country in the world; I'm sure China would kick our asses. But not Iran. They'd get their asses kicked quickly too.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 14072323)

Wrong...there never was a singular reason...but there were multiple reasons...with strategic positioning being the primary reason.

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 14072495)

Then I guess we were lied to by corrupt poloticians who told us is was about WMD and Freeing the Iraqui people, two things they don't give a shit about.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 14072583)

Wrong yet again. Those were also two reasons...among multiple reasons.

Originally Posted by spunkmister (Post 14071039)

What YOU dont seem to understand is that if you go to war with Iran, it's not just Iran you have to worry about...there are these things called Allies....

and comparing what happened in Afghanistan with the Russians with what happened with the US is idiotic...when the Russians went in they went to conquer, so they were up against the entire country, and the "ass kicking" as you call it wasnt immediate, it took years of "hide and seek" style combat...does the US have full control of Afganistan right now? How about Iraq?

Originally Posted by theking (Post 14072385)

China has admitted that they are not a military match...but went on to say that they intend to change that and in twenty or more years they may be a match...providing that the US becomes stagnant...which I doubt we will.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 14072684)

I remember in the days leading up to the invasion of Iraq they were talking about tens of thousands of US dead, but instead never before have so many men (and women) invaded a country on the scale we did we Iraq and walked away with the amount of dead US servicemen (and women).

China would be an entirely different thing.

Japan attacked us during WWII because of oil. I think China is going to come after us for the same reason when oil starts drying up in the Middle East.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 14072684)

I remember in the days leading up to the invasion of Iraq they were talking about tens of thousands of US dead, but instead never before have so many men (and women) invaded a country on the scale we did we Iraq and walked away with the amount of dead US servicemen (and women).

China would be an entirely different thing.

Japan attacked us during WWII because of oil. I think China is going to come after us for the same reason when oil starts drying up in the Middle East.

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 14070674)

Easy solution, dont attack Iran

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 14072684)

I remember in the days leading up to the invasion of Iraq they were talking about tens of thousands of US dead, but instead never before have so many men (and women) invaded a country on the scale we did we Iraq and walked away with the amount of dead US servicemen (and women).

China would be an entirely different thing.

Japan attacked us during WWII because of oil. I think China is going to come after us for the same reason when oil starts drying up in the Middle East.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 14072744)

China will not present a military problem for us for decades. Currently they do not have the capability to project military power globally.

Japan attacked us because we issued an ultimatum to them...cease their military activity in China and other countries or we would set up a Naval blockade...they being an island nation with virtually zero resources (including oil) had to decide to comply or attack...they chose to attack. They knew that they could not defeat us but thought they could buy enough time to consolidate themselves within the other countries that they had invaded...and then would sue for peace...they miscalulated.

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 14072770)

China does not have to fire one shot to bring down the US. All China needs to do is dump the dollar and call in our debt. Nuke the dollar and our empire falls hard and fast.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 14072788)

Wrong...debt to the Chinese is not of that great of consequence...but even if you were right...you surely do not think that the US would allow itself to "fall hard and fast"...now do you?

In addition what makes you think that the Chinese would dump the dollar...I think they are far more financially astute than you appear to be.