Differences between Mainstream and Adult - GoFuckYourself.com

webmasterchecks · 04-13-2008, 06:06 PM

its interesting running a business that has one foot in adult and one in mainstream. I think it is very advantageous to be able to compare both markets and take the best ideas out of both. In their own ways, their are parts that are very innovative and parts that are much outdated, but they are 2 separate worlds with very little crossover.

As I know it?s a phantom subject for most people on gfy, I thought i would share some of my knowledge.

Affiliate networks/systems

In mainstream many merchants (programs) have their own merchant accounts for the sales they send themselves and use affiliate networks for traffic from partners.

See, in adult you have ccbill, nats, mpa3, netbilling, etc, and these are systems attached to processors or leased out/handbuilt. In mainstream there are hundreds of affiliate networks, and its their own business model. Their purpose is to attract affiliates to join, then they lure the merchants with the promise of many affiliates promoting them (they take 20-30% of the margin on the products from the advertiser/client.)

Dynamics

Much more spread out than adult, you have many huge companies with some very smart people and I would guess 20% of the market is biased against adult.

Will post more in a bit

Deputy Chief Command · 04-13-2008, 06:09 PM

"there are" is not the same as "their are" not even certain if "their are" exists ;)

J. Falcon · 04-13-2008, 06:12 PM

Interesting, please continue.

webmasterchecks · 04-13-2008, 06:24 PM

the affiliate networks generally use pixel tracking on the signup page, was something interesting to mention

i guess the general thought is that the first years of the net (1995-2001) or so adult made it big. all the new innovations were done in adult, including the move from the CPM (paying per impressions) to CPA (cost per acquisition/sale). much of mainstream is still using indirect methods, which adult moved out of for the most part 4-5 years ago.

mainstream shows used to suck and be very tame with few parties and everyone going home or doing their own thing after the convention, but now they are catching up to shows like internext/WA/phoenix forum

many more cute girls in mainstream. ironic, isnt it. its much easier to get action at a mainstream show than adult (the ratio of girls/guys is around 50/50, if not better, and they tend to send the attractive ones to the show ;))

webmasterchecks · 04-14-2008, 07:43 AM

bump bump

Joe BrainCash · 04-14-2008, 08:35 AM

very interesting...

viencarl · 04-15-2008, 06:46 AM

great infos please continue

Drake · 04-15-2008, 06:51 AM

This is a quality thread so far. Please continue.

J. Falcon · 04-15-2008, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webmasterchecks

Much more spread out than adult, you have many huge companies with some very smart people and I would guess 20% of the market is biased against adult.

Why is 20% biased against adult?

webmasterchecks · 04-15-2008, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Why is 20% biased against adult?

now thats just a guess. you have *some* Christian/religious sites (ever seen a christian faith traffic seminar?), and remember, lots of people had gotten lured into making money on the net (id guess the rush started in 2001/2002) and you have to figure a sizable # of them would not consider adult/porn, and they stayed on the other side of the line. There are those I had mentioned that we are doing some biz on the adult side, when I told them I got a stone look. So it?s a guess

The 2 worlds cross over very little, considering how many of the business concepts are similar, and because mainstream is so much bigger, the verticals go much deeper. In adult you have a handful of processors, in mainstream hundreds. They are more competitive, and you see them tweaking their traffic to what seems like a much higher degree than adult, really squeezing all they can out of it (where adult will be in 3-4 years, more consolidated)

An analogy would be mainstream is like a high school, with difference clichés and so forth, Adult is like a big classroom ;) its actually a much more friendly and laid back group, once you get dialed in.

baddog · 04-15-2008, 09:21 AM

They may be biased in public, but if you take them aside, not so much.

The Duck · 04-15-2008, 09:26 AM

I have ventures in both areas and it is alot of fun.

04-13-2008, 06:06 PM	#1
webmasterchecks Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,685	Differences between Mainstream and Adult its interesting running a business that has one foot in adult and one in mainstream. I think it is very advantageous to be able to compare both markets and take the best ideas out of both. In their own ways, their are parts that are very innovative and parts that are much outdated, but they are 2 separate worlds with very little crossover. As I know it?s a phantom subject for most people on gfy, I thought i would share some of my knowledge. Affiliate networks/systems In mainstream many merchants (programs) have their own merchant accounts for the sales they send themselves and use affiliate networks for traffic from partners. See, in adult you have ccbill, nats, mpa3, netbilling, etc, and these are systems attached to processors or leased out/handbuilt. In mainstream there are hundreds of affiliate networks, and its their own business model. Their purpose is to attract affiliates to join, then they lure the merchants with the promise of many affiliates promoting them (they take 20-30% of the margin on the products from the advertiser/client.) Dynamics Much more spread out than adult, you have many huge companies with some very smart people and I would guess 20% of the market is biased against adult. Will post more in a bit __________________ Webmasterchecks Affiliate Payments - fully compatible with nats/mpa3

04-13-2008, 06:09 PM	#2
Deputy Chief Command Deputy Chief Command Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,482	"there are" is not the same as "their are" not even certain if "their are" exists ;) __________________

04-13-2008, 06:12 PM	#3
J. Falcon www.AdultCopywriters.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 31,618	Interesting, please continue. __________________ Adult Copywriters SEO Content for Porn Sites sales at adultcopywriters dot com

04-13-2008, 06:24 PM	#4
webmasterchecks Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,685	the affiliate networks generally use pixel tracking on the signup page, was something interesting to mention i guess the general thought is that the first years of the net (1995-2001) or so adult made it big. all the new innovations were done in adult, including the move from the CPM (paying per impressions) to CPA (cost per acquisition/sale). much of mainstream is still using indirect methods, which adult moved out of for the most part 4-5 years ago. mainstream shows used to suck and be very tame with few parties and everyone going home or doing their own thing after the convention, but now they are catching up to shows like internext/WA/phoenix forum many more cute girls in mainstream. ironic, isnt it. its much easier to get action at a mainstream show than adult (the ratio of girls/guys is around 50/50, if not better, and they tend to send the attractive ones to the show ;)) __________________ Webmasterchecks Affiliate Payments - fully compatible with nats/mpa3

04-14-2008, 07:43 AM	#5
webmasterchecks Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,685	bump bump __________________ Webmasterchecks Affiliate Payments - fully compatible with nats/mpa3

04-14-2008, 08:35 AM	#6
Joe BrainCash Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Boy, life is difficult... Posts: 2,092	very interesting... __________________ [email protected] ICQ: 394.549.466

04-15-2008, 06:46 AM	#7
viencarl Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,234	great infos please continue __________________ Tubebingo Tube Profiles NSA Cams Free Teen Porn Blog Teen Boobs Blog Webcam Sex Post Younger Babes Blog Interracial Sexguide Asian Models Blog Sugar Babes Blog Woman Single Hardcore Sexpost Showbiz Pimp Teen Nude Blog Anime Babes Blog Teen Panties Blog Hot Babes Pimp My Daily Teen Blog Teen Bikini Blog Tubebingo Blog

04-15-2008, 06:51 AM	#8
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	This is a quality thread so far. Please continue.

04-15-2008, 09:21 AM	#11
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	They may be biased in public, but if you take them aside, not so much.

04-15-2008, 09:26 AM	#12
The Duck Adult Content Provider Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 18,243	I have ventures in both areas and it is alot of fun. __________________ Skype Horusmaia ICQ 41555245 Email [email protected]