Coming from an asshole in Detroit, does not mean a damn thing

Leave it to a Canadian to take credit for a British victory.

Randy.. I wasn't at all questioning whether USA is a better place to live than some other country. My post is about the concept of freedom.

I think many other factors contribute to the volume of migration than the degree of freedom only :Graucho

Chill out. You know he was right.

Coming from a semi-literate geographically ignorant halfwhit from California, I take it as a compliment.

well you should.
Living in your 1 bedroom apartment in finland only feels like freedom because you've never walked into the home of your average american.:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

disregard

You're all just further proving my point

For American: FREEDOM = MONEY

Again, you are from Detroit.

Freedom is not something you can measure like a length of cloth.

I've visiited USA many times and have family there, there are parts of the US I would love to live in and parts I would not.

But back to freedom, most of the US seems obsesed by consumerism and "Keeping up with the Jones". If there is a new designer label, fad or gadget they have to have it or so it seems.

Some parts of the US are very free if you are the right colour, religion, creed or gang, if not you better be careful. Try opening a porn shop in some States and see how long your "freedom" lasts.

Is Finland more free than the US, I do not know and it would be stupid to state such a thing unless you knew the laws of both countries. Probably both got laws that are good and bad for "Freedom"

This thread is kids blowing off. When the most powerful nation on the earth is about to launch itself and as many as it can drag along with it into a war. Why war? The reasons seem vague.

Saddam has only killed Arabs and Muslims so far and probably is too inteligent to do otherwise. A threat to the West? Has not been so far and probably never will, has he got weapons of mass destruction, definately.

But Bush should take the UN inspectors option and when they are slung out then move in the troops. He has no right to call for a change of goverment in a foriegn country and no right to send in troops and declare war when there is an alternative.

Afghanistan was right, they were harbouring a known teerorist who has launched many attacks on the US and it's citizens.

And considering almost half of all Americans live below the poverty level, or under a mountain of debt.

12clicks,

You got a fan here, not sure whether he can be of any value to you but at least you got a fan!

Hey.
Every place has its wrongs and rights. I have been to Finland and it is a nice place. The people are very progressive and hey a tiny country like that actually stood up to and threw out the Russians..... (historical stuff)

On the other hand, if you are successful in Finland you get taxed up to 65-70% That is freedom? When I was there some Somalians hijacked a train (yes a train of all things) so you have bad guys too. Wait till the faceless EU gets ahold of you......
I will show you freedom then. Let the EU form ... they are already talking about a federal constitution. Finland will be reduced to the status of Idaho....

Sure, here in America the word freedom is tossed around alot and it doesn't mean squat. It really doesn't. You are free as long as you work 15 hours a day, are up to your freakin' ears in debt and don't have any time to do squat. Financial slavery.

I have always maintained that laws are complete and utter bullshit. The law is always the will of the stronger party at any given moment. On a philosophical level, the law is more of an ability to enforce an opinion than anything else.

All I know is the good and honest people wind up paying for the fuck ups and I for one am sick of it. The disconnect between the people and government is far far far too great.

Now can someone please explain to me what the hell we are gonna do about this Visa thing?

In case you've been asleep, the asshole running Iraq has had quite a long time to accept and cooperate with the "alternatives".... he's been warned repeatedly... more alternatives offered.... more warnings..... yet even more alternatives.... leniency.... warnings.... more alternatives.....

the time for games is over.

I say now that Bush has congressional approval, he should lay it out ONE LAST TIME for that ignorant fuckstick and attempt to go in with inspectors. If Hussein gives his attitude this time....

bring the fucking hammer down.

Finland is about as diverse a country as a bowl of wheaties. Here we have to incorporate a lot of people/cultures/backgrounds etc. Yes certain states make their own laws but you can choose where you want to live. If you prefer more conservative laws then you move to a state where your views are common place. Same if you are liberal/moderate. The point is there are a lot of choices here and we can choose where we want to be.

I am afraid there is more to it than that.

What about Castro and Quadaffi?

Why dont we fix them as well. We been warning them for a very long time.

Yeah. That's why they (the guys above) came up with the concept of "freedom". Even poor people want to be free. That's the only thing they have (or think they have) left. Freedom.

When the government wants to defend military spending/action, for example, they use the word "freedom" and "securing the freedom of American people" instead of speaking directly of "money" and "taking care of *financial* interests".

maybe we should.

yes....

Americans have the freedom to hunt Saddam :Graucho

That´s good no? :glugglug

They may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!

http://students.bradley.edu/~kambroso/BraveHeart.JPG

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Yeah. That's why they (the guys above) came up with the concept of "freedom". Even poor people want to be free. That's the only thing they have (or think they have) left. Freedom.

When the government wants to defend military spending/action, for example, they use the word "freedom" and "securing the freedom of American people" instead of speaking directly of "money" and "taking care of *financial* interests".
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Oh and I suppose that having prices around the EU jump about 25-30% ever since the Euro was introduced isn't a step towards financial slavery? The Italians are selling German tourists the same exact thing for 1 Euro that used to cost 1 German Mark.
1 euro has much more value than 1 German Mark did.
As a Fin, you have no central bank left. It is all handled by the big hotshots somewhere in Belgium or something.

Read a book called "Animal Farm" This has nothing to do with might some might quickly conclude. It is about animals that revolt against humans and all of a sudden the PIGS decide that they are the smartest and want to start runing things.......

This is why true communism never worked and never will ..... This is why compassion and tolerance are bullshit terms used by those that wish to gain something. Try disagreeing with someone that has preached "compassion and tolerance" They will have zero tolerance for your views.

People are fucked up no matter where they are from and as a result we constantly have our freedoms revoked. Eventually it all boils over, a war starts and then we shut up for a while....... and start destroying shit all over again.

If the cliche "history repeats itself" is true. There are disturbing/sobering similarities between the US and ancient Rome.

true, but they had chariots and lions.... we got M1 tanks and Patriot missiles. :glugglug

Absolutely.

mika, you bring up some valid points, but overal, you're an idiot.

Of all that you said.. this jumped out at me...

Did ya know that the 16th amendment.. the amendment that supposedly established the income tax.. was never ratified??

gotta love it....

Thanks. And thanks.

So was that YOUR point?

He tried to have Bush Sr. killed a few years back, so he would do otherwise...

I visited New York for two weeks, and these are my impressions:


VERY noisy city. Lots of fat people. Very patriotic. Not enough good-looking women.

And very, very friendly. I was truly impressed. Gotte be the friendliest place that I have ever been, and I`ve been quite a few places...

:thumbsup

You think New York is friendly? Where do you live? Iraq?

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Saddam has only killed Arabs and Muslims so far and probably is too inteligent to do otherwise. A threat to the West? Has not been so far and probably never will, has he got weapons of mass destruction, definately.

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He is a threat to Israel.
Arabs purposely let the Palestinians and Jews torment each other so as to have political ammunition to fuel hate.

I mean, here in Norway, all the so-called cops are pathethic. They really enjoy pushing people around...Guess they got beaten all the way trough school when they were kids...

A friend got jumped by three bouncers that gave him a good whoppin`. He called the police. They "persuaded" him not to press charges, so he called them incompetent...guess who spent the night in the slammer :1orglaugh

But in NY, the cops really deserve respect(in my opinion). A poor homeless guy lying in the strees got picked up by two cops, and they were sooo gentle with the poor bastard, and looked truly concerned, to my big suprise. They gently put him in the car and drove him off to a shelter for food and a bed.

Here, they would have bullied him awake and sent him packing

Small things like these gave me a newfound respect for the US of A.

Glad you enjoyed yourself. Our best women aren't on the streets though. Let me assure you there's more 10's here than anywhere in the states sans L.A. and Miami.

This is a funny thread.

Nope, Oslo in Norway...and god damn it sucks:ak47:

A) While some (maybe even many) dumb Americans will consider themselves way more free than the average European, the intelligent ones will most certainly realize that the differences aren't that big. So, in short, I don't think you are right on this point.

B) Because it sounds good, and might convince more people than saying "We are doing this because we like oil and the weapon industry".
Every government uses propaganda, especially when it comes to things such as war.

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Our best women aren't on the streets though. Let me assure you there's more 10's here than anywhere in the states sans L.A. and Miami.
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I am in Miami. Thank God for the Lation women. Personal opinion...They are far and away the sexiest and most pleasant to be around.

Talking about freedom:

http://www.dumblaws.com/countries/co...ry=Netherlands

Latin.. I mean latin....