How do I best put links on my site without leaking PR? iframe, javascript, php, nofol - GoFuckYourself.com

Kard63 · 04-03-2008, 03:44 PM

Before I start I should say I only care about google. If you disagree with any of the ideas I express here please tell me. These are not my ideas, just shit I read.

rel nofollow - I heard that stops me from adding pr to the site I am linking to but no one as said it stops my site from leaking pr. This would be the easiest option if it in fact does stop the bleeding.

javascript - I read google does not index javascript at all and you have no way to get caught but 2% of your traffic is wasted.

php - google is somewhat unlikely to catch you but they can if they see a patter after indexing you multiple times and if they catch you then you might as well toss the domain. If that is the case this is not an option for me.

iframe - I was just told they don't get indexed. I haven't really looked this up yet. Is it a good idea?

Thanks in advance to anyone who posts on topic.

fluffygrrl · 04-03-2008, 06:16 PM

nofollow is the way to go if google respects their own specs (which most likely they don't)

javascript is the way to go if you wish to be sure - they certainly don't have the hardware to follow java redirects.

im not sure what you mean about php redirects, seeing how php is a server side language. it still has to output html.

iframes are dumb.

Rorschach · 04-03-2008, 06:39 PM

I would use iframes. I have seen Google parse javascript occasionally.

Your best bet is to cloak via IP.

BV · 04-03-2008, 06:47 PM

would having a bunch of links to php redirect scripts on your domain leak PR? if not then that would be simple.

Kard63 · 04-03-2008, 11:53 PM

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Rorschach · 04-03-2008, 11:55 PM

PR is generally passed through a 301 redirect

SmokeyTheBear · 04-04-2008, 08:12 AM

the safest method i would think is php

save this as link.php

Code:

<?php
$guy = $_SERVER["HTTP_REFERER"];
if ($guy == ""){
// bot/google hit
$lnk = "<a href=http://linkforbots.com>LINK</a>";
} else {
// real hit
$lnk = "<a href=http://linkforpeople.com>LINK</a>";
}
echo $lnk;
?>

use this on your pages to pull the link into your page

<? @readfile("http://www.yoursite.com/link.php") ?>

TheDoc · 04-04-2008, 08:36 AM

Use a 302 redirect script on your links out and exclude the file in your robots.txt

No juice will be passed.

polle54 · 04-04-2008, 09:48 AM

Nofollow should work just fine. otherwise I back up Smokeys solution

Kard63 · 04-04-2008, 03:38 PM

more opinions please.

no follow is the easiest so the ones of you not saying that are not sure if you leak pr through it, right?

TheDoc · 04-04-2008, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kard63

more opinions please.

no follow is the easiest so the ones of you not saying that are not sure if you leak pr through it, right?

It's not about pagerank with no follow, actually pagerank is nothing anymore and you don't need a ranking at all to kill in the se's, but you will get one either way.

The no follow stops all value, not just passing a bit of pr, but also the quality of the anchor text and text used, a backlink value, the age/value of the link, all that is ignored.

If you want to be 100% sure that you don't pass any value, you need to use a 302 redirect and exclude the file from being listed. Or do it like smokey said, which is about the same thing but you don't need to exclude anything.

StarkReality · 04-04-2008, 04:04 PM

Nofollow leaks no PR, that's for sure. Always using it and I have never seen any problems with it so far, since google invented it they stick to it and won't make it obsolete by letting PR leak. The myths about nofollow and leaking are because it's named a bit ambiguous: The bot actually follows nofollow links, but disregards them PR, link juice and penalty wise.

Smokey's solution is very nice and elegant, but not 100% foolproof and secure. If a bot slips through, you may be fucked for cloaking. I generally don't like cloaking much, even the most expensive IP based solutions aren't perfect.

tranza · 04-04-2008, 04:13 PM

WTF is a PR leak??

Slappin Fish · 04-04-2008, 04:25 PM

Google is parsing javascript these days.

If it is just for PR, and not hidding links, nofollow works.

The Judge · 04-04-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tranza

WTF is a PR leak??

The Judge · 04-04-2008, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

Google is parsing javascript these days.

If it is just for PR, and not hidding links, nofollow works.

TheDoc · 04-04-2008, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkReality

Smokey's solution is very nice and elegant, but not 100% foolproof and secure. If a bot slips through, you may be fucked for cloaking. I generally don't like cloaking much, even the most expensive IP based solutions aren't perfect.

Actually, Google guidelines tells you to block scripts, pages, for affiliate links, ect. It's not cloaking what so ever.

StarkReality · 04-04-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Actually, Google guidelines tells you to block scripts, pages, for affiliate links, ect. It's not cloaking what so ever.

Blocking isn't, but showing visitors and bots something different is, I was referring to the code Smokey posted.

TheDoc · 04-04-2008, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkReality

Blocking isn't, but showing visitors and bots something different is, I was referring to the code Smokey posted.

true enough.. you shouldn't display different links for surfers and bot. It's okay in some situations, but overall just not a good idea.

Kard63 · 04-05-2008, 09:00 AM

The main goal of this is not to attempt to deny any boost to the site I'm linking to. I don't care what happens to that site at all. Good, bad, or neutral I don't care. But I don't want my site to lose anything by linking to them.

The Judge · 04-05-2008, 09:16 PM

It all depends who you link to, if it's CNN for example, you wont lose anything, if some shady link farm, you WILL lose
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QUOTE=Kard63;14031776]The main goal of this is not to attempt to deny any boost to the site I'm linking to. I don't care what happens to that site at all. Good, bad, or neutral I don't care. But I don't want my site to lose anything by linking to them.[/QUOTE]

Kard63 · 04-11-2008, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

The no follow stops all value, not just passing a bit of pr, but also the quality of the anchor text and text used, a backlink value, the age/value of the link, all that is ignored.

I don't want to lose the anchor text. Fuck. Whats the difference between your suggestion and smokey's suggestion and would either let my anchor text still be considered?

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 04-11-2008, 04:12 PM

Does linking to galleries on a blog leak PR? They are outbound links and all? I donèt want to screw people on link exchanges who i am working with build PR, but if I am leaking on gallery links I want to know how I can combat this. Is a nofollow enough for this purpose?

Kard63 · 04-11-2008, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ismokeblunts

Does linking to galleries on a blog leak PR? They are outbound links and all? I donèt want to screw people on link exchanges who i am working with build PR, but if I am leaking on gallery links I want to know how I can combat this. Is a nofollow enough for this purpose?

That is exactly what this thread is about. Yes, it leaks PR. The general consensus that I'm getting is that rel=nofollow would stop the leak but the text anchor would also be completely ignored as well. Thats not good.

Other possibilities include using javascript but then 2% of your traffic is worthless because they don't have it enabled and some seem to think javascript isn't 100% effective anyway. Everyone seems to think the iframe idea is very gay. The PHP plan seems to be the front runner but I don't quite understand it.

TheDoc · 04-11-2008, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kard63

I don't want to lose the anchor text. Fuck. Whats the difference between your suggestion and smokey's suggestion and would either let my anchor text still be considered?

Using the no follow stops the text value to the linked person, not so much the value of the text on your Website, which doesn't have much value anyway unless it's related.

Smokey's example looks for the Google bot and changes out links/text based on that fact. So if Google visited your site you could add rel="nofollow" to your links.

My version, uses a redirect to kill the bot from passing to the other website, which kills any value the link may have. This is how most trade scripts work or redirect links from sponsors.

Kard63 · 04-11-2008, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Using the no follow stops the text value to the linked person, not so much the value of the text on your Website, which doesn't have much value anyway unless it's related.

Smokey's example looks for the Google bot and changes out links/text based on that fact. So if Google visited your site you could add rel="nofollow" to your links.

My version, uses a redirect to kill the bot from passing to the other website, which kills any value the link may have. This is how most trade scripts work or redirect links from sponsors.

So a no follow lets to bot go to the other site, it just doesn't give them any kind of consideration for the inbound link. The others prevent the bot from going to the sites at all. and otherwise they are all exactly the same?

Would any of them piss google off?

grzepa · 12-04-2013, 04:53 PM

What if i want to nofollow my streamate iframes ? How to do that ?

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AaronM · 12-04-2013, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grzepa

What if i want to nofollow my streamate iframes ? How to do that ?

By starting a new thread instead of bumping one that's 5.5 years old.

freecartoonporn · 12-04-2013, 06:55 PM

rel nofollow - I heard that stops me from adding pr to the site I am linking to but no one as said it stops my site from leaking pr. This would be the easiest option if it in fact does stop the bleeding.

04-03-2008, 03:44 PM	#1
Kard63 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 237 619 975 Posts: 8,944	How do I best put links on my site without leaking PR? iframe, javascript, php, nofol Before I start I should say I only care about google. If you disagree with any of the ideas I express here please tell me. These are not my ideas, just shit I read. rel nofollow - I heard that stops me from adding pr to the site I am linking to but no one as said it stops my site from leaking pr. This would be the easiest option if it in fact does stop the bleeding. javascript - I read google does not index javascript at all and you have no way to get caught but 2% of your traffic is wasted. php - google is somewhat unlikely to catch you but they can if they see a patter after indexing you multiple times and if they catch you then you might as well toss the domain. If that is the case this is not an option for me. iframe - I was just told they don't get indexed. I haven't really looked this up yet. Is it a good idea? Thanks in advance to anyone who posts on topic. __________________

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	the safest method i would think is php save this as link.php Code: <?php $guy = $_SERVER["HTTP_REFERER"]; if ($guy == ""){ // bot/google hit $lnk = "<a href=http://linkforbots.com>LINK</a>"; } else { // real hit $lnk = "<a href=http://linkforpeople.com>LINK</a>"; } echo $lnk; ?> use this on your pages to pull the link into your page <? @readfile("http://www.yoursite.com/link.php") ?> __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

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fluffygrrl So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,187	nofollow is the way to go if google respects their own specs (which most likely they don't) javascript is the way to go if you wish to be sure - they certainly don't have the hardware to follow java redirects. im not sure what you mean about php redirects, seeing how php is a server side language. it still has to output html. iframes are dumb.

04-03-2008, 06:39 PM	#3
Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	I would use iframes. I have seen Google parse javascript occasionally. Your best bet is to cloak via IP.

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BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	would having a bunch of links to php redirect scripts on your domain leak PR? if not then that would be simple.

04-03-2008, 11:55 PM	#6
Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	PR is generally passed through a 301 redirect

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Kard63 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 237 619 975 Posts: 8,944	more opinions please. no follow is the easiest so the ones of you not saying that are not sure if you leak pr through it, right? __________________

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StarkReality Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Posts: 4,444	Nofollow leaks no PR, that's for sure. Always using it and I have never seen any problems with it so far, since google invented it they stick to it and won't make it obsolete by letting PR leak. The myths about nofollow and leaking are because it's named a bit ambiguous: The bot actually follows nofollow links, but disregards them PR, link juice and penalty wise. Smokey's solution is very nice and elegant, but not 100% foolproof and secure. If a bot slips through, you may be fucked for cloaking. I generally don't like cloaking much, even the most expensive IP based solutions aren't perfect.

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tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	WTF is a PR leak?? __________________ I'm just a newbie.

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Slappin Fish Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,512	Google is parsing javascript these days. If it is just for PR, and not hidding links, nofollow works.

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Kard63 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 237 619 975 Posts: 8,944	The main goal of this is not to attempt to deny any boost to the site I'm linking to. I don't care what happens to that site at all. Good, bad, or neutral I don't care. But I don't want my site to lose anything by linking to them. __________________

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The Judge Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,647	It all depends who you link to, if it's CNN for example, you wont lose anything, if some shady link farm, you WILL lose [ QUOTE=Kard63;14031776]The main goal of this is not to attempt to deny any boost to the site I'm linking to. I don't care what happens to that site at all. Good, bad, or neutral I don't care. But I don't want my site to lose anything by linking to them.[/QUOTE] __________________

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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	Does linking to galleries on a blog leak PR? They are outbound links and all? I donèt want to screw people on link exchanges who i am working with build PR, but if I am leaking on gallery links I want to know how I can combat this. Is a nofollow enough for this purpose?

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