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xmas13 03-24-2008 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13964054)
Liberating is awesome!

If the FBI didn't exist, some degenerate would blow up your local Wal-Mart superstore with your entire family inside.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...at&btnG=Search

theking 03-24-2008 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13963993)
The Soviet Union, the U.S. and Britain "invaded" continental Europe.

Iraq was liberated not invaded.

The U.S. Army has personnel in 150+ countries, military bases in Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia....etc.

Ahh...didn't Germany invade Europe and the U.S.A...Britain...along with other allies liberate Europe from Germany? The USSR kept control of the countries that it "liberated".

J. Falcon 03-24-2008 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13963993)

Iraq was liberated not invaded.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...of_Liberty.jpg

pocketkangaroo 03-24-2008 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964124)
If the FBI didn't exist, some degenerate would blow up your local Wal-Mart superstore with your entire family inside.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...at&btnG=Search

Ok? What does that have to do with Iraq?

Gouge 03-24-2008 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13963936)
Then why did you leave out all the non-military deaths under Bush but added them in under Clinton?

Page 11 shows total death by year.

Clinton (8 years) - 7500
Bush (6 years) - 8792

2007 hasn't been released but it will be close to 2,000 (we had more deaths in Iraq than any previous year). By the end of Bush's term, the number will be close to 11,000 deaths.

That is a sharp increase of deaths, especially considering accidental military deaths were falling almost every year under Clinton as technology and safety got better. It will account to nearly 3,500 more deaths under Bush than Clinton. This doesn't include the nearly 30,000 wounded Americans and 600 amputees.

You included deaths by illness, suicide, and accident under Clinton, but not Bush. As I said, you misrepresented the facts. Your own data proves it.

First, I didn?t add or subtract anything, I didn?t do the companion or come up with any of the numbers. I posted what was generated by CRS and congress approved. You can find detailed numbers on Defense Link if you wish to criticize them and email them about the discrepance. And if you want it broke down even further you can go to icasualties.org where I obtained that list.

The numbers are/where listed as a direct comparison between the Iraq War/conflict vs. Major Battles Since WWII. Once again not my numbers.

pocketkangaroo 03-24-2008 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 13964144)
First, I didn?t add or subtract anything, I didn?t do the companion or come up with any of the numbers. I posted what was generated by CRS and congress approved. You can find detailed numbers on Defense Link if you wish to criticize them and email them about the discrepance. And if you want it broke down even further you can go to icasualties.org where I obtained that list.

The numbers are/where listed as a direct comparison between the Iraq War/conflict vs. Major Battles Since WWII. Once again not my numbers.

You are not comprehending. When you posted stats on deaths under Clinton, you included all deaths including suicide, illness, and accidents. Under Bush, you didn't include these numbers. These numbers are listed on page 11 of the report you linked to. You simply left them out when you posted them.

I don't see why this is hard to understand. Just go to page 11 of that report that you cited.

xmas13 03-24-2008 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13964136)
Ok? What does that have to do with Iraq?

TERRORISM.

Sunni terrorists don't fight "occupation", they want control of the country back. Sunnis are a religious minority in Iraq, Arab nationalists who dominated Iraq under Saddam Hussein.

theking 03-24-2008 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 13964066)
Here we go, another person comparing WWII to the war in Iraq, another person actually believing this war was about liberating ppl half a world away. It's amazing people think like you do.


I thought the war was about WMD? No, it was about the terrorist ties between Sadamm and Al Qaueda? Oh no, you're right, it was about the poor Iraqui people, made to suffer under a dictator installed by the US government?

Do you SERIOUSLY believe that bullshit about a war for freedom? For freedom for people's country who you are murdering everyday, who you also tortured? A fucking disgrace it what it is.

The invasion of Iraq had/has multiple strategic purposes...WMD...was just the drumbeat used by the Administration...but was never the primary reason for the invasion...and only shortsigted people would think that it was for any reasons other than long term strategic purposes.

J. Falcon 03-24-2008 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 13964188)
The invasion of Iraq had/has multiple strategic purposes...WMD...was just the drumbeat used by the Administration...but was never the primary reason for the invasion...and only shortsigted people would think that it was for any reasons other than long term strategic purposes.


So you're basically saying they lied to the entire country, congress and United Nations? In other words, you're government is corrupt?

pocketkangaroo 03-24-2008 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964179)
TERRORISM.

Sunni terrorists don't fight "occupation", they want control of the country back. Sunnis are a religious minority in Iraq, Arab nationalists who dominated Iraq under Saddam Hussein.

There wasn't much terrorism in Iraq before we got there. And zero terrorism directed at the United States. Still, what does this have to do with my local Wal-Mart?

xmas13 03-24-2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13964164)
I don't see why this is hard to understand. Just go to page 11 of that report that you cited.

U.S. soldiers are heroes. Period.

BTW, what's your dirty little secret? You obviously don't care about the U.S. Army or Arabs, so......

J. Falcon 03-24-2008 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964179)
TERRORISM.

Sunni terrorists don't fight "occupation", they want control of the country back. Sunnis are a religious minority in Iraq, Arab nationalists who dominated Iraq under Saddam Hussein.

You're obviously a victim of the Fox News syndrome, which leads to paranoia, lack of objective thinking and plain stupidity.

J. Falcon 03-24-2008 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964244)
U.S. soldiers are heroes. Period.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Whatever you say.

pocketkangaroo 03-24-2008 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964244)
U.S. soldiers are heroes. Period.

I agree. Never argued otherwise. They are put in a shitty spot and handle it the best they can.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964244)
BTW, what's your dirty little secret? You obviously don't care about the U.S. Army or Arabs, so......

I don't care about the U.S. Army because I posted the actual number of deaths? So not wanting them to die makes me anti-US Army? That makes no sense.

I'm not the one wanting them giving up their lives in a pointless war and then lying about the number of deaths on a message board.

J. Falcon 03-24-2008 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964244)
U.S. soldiers are heroes. Period.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/grap...16/wtort16.jpg

theking 03-24-2008 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 13964211)
So you're basically saying they lied to the entire country, congress and United Nations? In other words, you're government is corrupt?

They did not lie about WMD's as the consensus of all of our fifteen intel agencies...as well as all of the major intel agencies in the world...including the UN...was that Iraq possesed unaccounted for WMD's and was trying to build more. The consensus was wrong but was not a lie and certainly was not the first time that intel has been wrong in a major way...and will not be the last time. The Administration thought that using WMD's as the drumbeat to invasion would fly better than telling the world as well as the American people that we were going to take preemptive control of a country for long term strategic purposes. Every President that I have lived under has lied to the American people and the world about multiple things...including the reasons for the use of the military...but it is common for governments to lie about one thing or another.

xmas13 03-24-2008 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 13964250)
You're obviously a victim of the Fox News syndrome, which leads to paranoia, lack of objective thinking and plain stupidity.

Another Pussyserver-like GFY self-declared genius.
Who the fuck are you? A rocket scientist? You speaking as a counterterrorism specialist?
Please give me a break.

GatorB 03-24-2008 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964244)
U.S. soldiers are heroes. Period.

doesn't mean they are not dying in vain over lies. Every guy who died in Viet Nam died in vain.

xmas13 03-24-2008 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 13964323)

So maybe Blacks are criminals because 5% to 10% of Black adults are behind bars at any given time?

J. Falcon 03-24-2008 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964379)
Another Pussyserver-like GFY self-declared genius.
Who the fuck are you? A rocket scientist? You speaking as a counterterrorism specialist?
Please give me a break.

When did I declare my self a genius at anything? You're the one speaking out you're ass. :2 cents:

GatorB 03-24-2008 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964379)
Another Pussyserver-like GFY self-declared genius.
Who the fuck are you? A rocket scientist? You speaking as a counterterrorism specialist?
Please give me a break.

Guys like you and ther other neo-con dipshits love war, but funny how you are posting here and not over there walking the walk. Easy to support something when it's not YOUR ass in the line of fire. Every Bush cock sucking monther fucker needs to join the military and ask to be sent to Iraq or STFU already. PERIOD.

xmas13 03-24-2008 01:40 PM

The double standards of pseudo-pacifists and terrorist sympathizers are incredible.
But what could you expect from people who identify with terrorists from a remote desert?

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6...gelousyqd8.jpg

pocketkangaroo 03-24-2008 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964446)
The double standards of pseudo-pacifists and terrorist sympathizers are incredible.
But what could you expect from people who identify with terrorists from a remote desert?

No one in this thread sympathizes with terrorists. They've just stated that the Iraq war is dumb and that American men and women are dying in vain. The terrorists were not in Iraq till we got there.

xmas13 03-24-2008 01:44 PM

The terrorists were not in Iraq? Ask the Kurds or Kuwaitis.

GatorB 03-24-2008 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964446)
The double standards of pseudo-pacifists and terrorist sympathizers are incredible.
But what could you expect from people who identify with terrorists from a remote desert?

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6...gelousyqd8.jpg


fuck you turd. I don't have double standards and I don't sympathize with anyone. if it's anyone that sides with terrorists adnd dictators it's YOU. But you're to fucking retarded to see that. You're a fucking coward. Your mother should have used a coathanger and aborted you before you oozed your way out of her nasty STD infected whore hole.

pocketkangaroo 03-24-2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964505)
The terrorists were not in Iraq? Ask the Kurds or Kuwaitis.

I am not a Kurd or a Kuwaiti. I was more concerned with the ones that attacked us.

xmas13 03-24-2008 01:48 PM

http://www.boston.com/news/world/mid...tis_uncovered/
"The bodies of 41 Kuwaitis believed killed during the 1991 Persian Gulf war have been unearthed in southern Iraq, one of 295 mass graves containing thousands of Saddam Hussein's victims."

GatorB 03-24-2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964505)
The terrorists were not in Iraq? Ask the Kurds or Kuwaitis.

YOU = RETARD.

Seriously, you just proven yourself a retard.

GatorB 03-24-2008 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964531)
http://www.boston.com/news/world/mid...tis_uncovered/
"The bodies of 41 Kuwaitis believed killed during the 1991 Persian Gulf war have been unearthed in southern Iraq, one of 295 mass graves containing thousands of Saddam Hussein's victims."

And that has what to do with terrorists?

pocketkangaroo 03-24-2008 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 13964423)
Guys like you and ther other neo-con dipshits love war, but funny how you are posting here and not over there walking the walk. Easy to support something when it's not YOUR ass in the line of fire. Every Bush cock sucking monther fucker needs to join the military and ask to be sent to Iraq or STFU already. PERIOD.

He is a member of the 101st Fighting Keyboardists. Don't discredit his great service.

pocketkangaroo 03-24-2008 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964531)
http://www.boston.com/news/world/mid...tis_uncovered/
"The bodies of 41 Kuwaitis believed killed during the 1991 Persian Gulf war have been unearthed in southern Iraq, one of 295 mass graves containing thousands of Saddam Hussein's victims."

I'm uncertain as to what the death of Kuwait people back in 1991 during a war has to do with terrorism in my country.

xmas13 03-24-2008 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13964529)
I am not a Kurd or a Kuwaiti. I was more concerned with the ones that attacked us.

The Middle East is the most vital region for the world economy and its importance is increasing by the day.

directfiesta 03-24-2008 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 13964446)
The double standards of pseudo-pacifists and terrorist sympathizers are incredible.
But what could you expect from people who identify with terrorists from a remote desert?

you really are a sick puppy ....

xmas13 03-24-2008 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13964604)
you really are a sick puppy ....

Strong argument. :1orglaugh

Gouge 03-24-2008 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13964164)
You are not comprehending. When you posted stats on deaths under Clinton, you included all deaths including suicide, illness, and accidents. Under Bush, you didn't include these numbers. These numbers are listed on page 11 of the report you linked to. You simply left them out when you posted them.

I don't see why this is hard to understand. Just go to page 11 of that report that you cited.

I comprehended what you said just fine, that?s why I clearly said in my last post that "The numbers are/where listed as a direct comparison between the Iraq War/conflict vs. Major Battles Since WWII."

According to the Department of Defense military casualty information those numbers are correct and include Non-hostile deaths and include those caused by accident, illness, homicide, suicide, terrorist attack, or other undetermined causes.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

Hers a complete list including all Non-hostile deaths.

http://icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx

Looks like the numbers are correct.

xmas13 03-24-2008 02:10 PM

Boycott oil companies.

You all make me laugh. Ungrateful bitches living the good life at the expensive of the rest of the world, and complaining about the ones that make it possible, business leaders, polticians, the us military.

It's so hypocrite. :1orglaugh

http://www.jsd.k12.ca.us/bf/teachers...rying_baby.jpg

pocketkangaroo 03-24-2008 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 13964671)
I comprehended what you said just fine, that?s why I clearly said in my last post that "The numbers are/where listed as a direct comparison between the Iraq War/conflict vs. Major Battles Since WWII."

According to the Department of Defense military casualty information those numbers are correct and include Non-hostile deaths and include those caused by accident, illness, homicide, suicide, terrorist attack, or other undetermined causes.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

Hers a complete list including all Non-hostile deaths.

http://icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx

Looks like the numbers are correct.

I'm talking about your numbers under Clinton and numbers under Bush. There was only 1 hostile death recorded under Clinton. I'm not talking about the numbers during WW2, etc.

xmas13 03-24-2008 02:14 PM

I have respect for one American far left terrorist, Theodore Kaczynski, for exposing this fraud called "leftism".

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Indust...and_Its_Future

You all speak non-sense, emotion, pussy crap. Business, political, military leaders use their brain.

I'm done for now, bye bye the frustrated losers.

DaddyHalbucks 03-24-2008 02:16 PM

Despite the costs, it was still the right thing to do, and time will prove that to be true. A brutal dictator is gone, and the nation is rebuilding. It won't be easy though.

pocketkangaroo 03-24-2008 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13964764)
Despite the costs, it was still the right thing to do, and time will prove that to be true. A brutal dictator is gone, and the nation is rebuilding. It won't be easy though.

Then why did you not fight in it?


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