If you are pro-piracy, post here - GoFuckYourself.com

SteveLightspeed · 03-23-2008, 02:47 PM

So we can decide who we want as affiliates and business partners, and who we DON'T.

Step up, don't be shy. This industry needs an enema!

ProjectNaked · 03-23-2008, 02:49 PM

this should get interesting

tony286 · 03-23-2008, 02:52 PM

Time for the lines to be drawn.

Iron Fist · 03-23-2008, 02:52 PM

What's this thread about again?

Violetta · 03-23-2008, 02:54 PM

I'm not buying a Windows copy, that's for sure.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 03-23-2008, 02:55 PM

pro-piracy people could care less to be your affiliate anyways. they make way more bank with cams.com and aff giving away your content than they could ever imagine making referring sales. get the cams and dating sponsors on your side in terminated accounts and you might have something, until then pirate forums and illegal tubes are just laughing at you all the way to the bank.

woj · 03-23-2008, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockatansky

I'm not buying a Windows copy, that's for sure.

So are you saying it's alright to steal, as long as it's not from your friends/people you do biz with?

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 03-23-2008, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockatansky

I'm not buying a Windows copy, that's for sure.

Vista needs to burn a firey death...

BusterBunny · 03-23-2008, 03:01 PM

long live chio!!!!

Iron Fist · 03-23-2008, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockatansky

I'm not buying a Windows copy, that's for sure.

I thought of doing that, until I finally said that's enough bullshit and just caved in and bought myself a copy... when your turning into a business, it's something you need to consider, besides, it's a writeoff as well

Violetta · 03-23-2008, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

So are you saying it's alright to steal, as long as it's not from your friends/people you do biz with?

no, I just hate microsoft and coca cola company...

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead

I thought of doing that, until I finally said that's enough bullshit and just caved in and bought myself a copy... when your turning into a business, it's something you need to consider, besides, it's a writeoff as well

True... For my mainstream biz I need to have a legit copy.

Jace · 03-23-2008, 03:17 PM

i am pro piracy, but not the type you are thinking of

bashbug · 03-23-2008, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

So we can decide who we want as affiliates and business partners, and who we DON'T.

Step up, don't be shy. This industry needs an enema!

Almost everyone is against piracy, except for the few who sell out just to make a little coin.

tony286 · 03-23-2008, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bashbug

Almost everyone is against piracy, except for the few who sell out just to make a little coin.

I have to disagree on that. I think there are a bunch they don't produce content and really dont understand. Then there are those who produce content and are scared they are possibly missing something. I doubt many will stand up.

bashbug · 03-23-2008, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

I have to disagree on that. I think there are a bunch they don't produce content and really dont understand. I doubt many will stand up.

True, most people dont know how many thousands, 100's of thousands, or millions it costs to produce it.

Mutt · 03-23-2008, 03:27 PM

it's a good idea - an industry 'bad guy' list on the piracy issue - and the rule should be ONE degree of separation because I know every time this gets discussed a bunch of people come out and bring up this red herring that everybody in one way or another is doing business with somebody else that is doing business with a pirate - and they always bring up Google including torrents amont the top results for any porn keyword.

ONE degree of separation - GTS sells advertising on tube sites - should you do business with TGP's that have GTS brokering their spots - yes, that is TWO degrees of separation from piracy. Should you do business with GTS? No, they are ONE degree separated from piracy.

mrwilson · 03-23-2008, 03:27 PM

i pay for everything, even forum licenses!

It's not affiliates you should be tracking, its password forums..

Dvae · 03-23-2008, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

i am pro piracy, but not the type you are thinking of

Argh!
Shiver me timbers

Enemator · 03-23-2008, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

So we can decide who we want as affiliates and business partners, and who we DON'T.

Step up, don't be shy. This industry needs an enema!

Someone called for an enema?

I hate piracy, so me posting here doesn't mean anything

Roald · 03-23-2008, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

So we can decide who we want as affiliates and business partners, and who we DON'T.

Step up, don't be shy. This industry needs an enema!

Are you talking about "we" as in your own company (lightspeed) or "we" as all sponsors?

The last one will never work as there are always people/programs who don't give a shit and will gladly take the sales ;)))

gideongallery · 03-23-2008, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

it's a good idea - an industry 'bad guy' list on the piracy issue - and the rule should be ONE degree of separation because I know every time this gets discussed a bunch of people come out and bring up this red herring that everybody in one way or another is doing business with somebody else that is doing business with a pirate - and they always bring up Google including torrents amont the top results for any porn keyword.

ONE degree of separation - GTS sells advertising on tube sites - should you do business with TGP's that have GTS brokering their spots - yes, that is TWO degrees of separation from piracy. Should you do business with GTS? No, they are ONE degree separated from piracy.

ah so we are talking the made up definition of piracy which ignores fair use and the safe harbor provision of the DMCA.

you might want to add CCIA

and all its members including

google
microsoft
redhat
and many more

Mutt · 03-23-2008, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

ah so we are talking the made up definition of piracy which ignores fair use and the safe harbor provision of the DMCA.

you might want to add CCIA

and all its members including

google
microsoft
redhat
and many more

hi kook

amacontent · 03-23-2008, 04:29 PM

I loved the movie Pirates of the Carribean Is that bad?

Xrated J · 03-23-2008, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

i am pro piracy, but not the type you are thinking of

i guess this would make me pro piracy too

Socks · 03-23-2008, 04:47 PM

If you're talking pirating things for profit, I'd say there is only a small % of people here that go to those measures, although it's growing.

If you're talking pirating things for consumption like downloading music, movies, TV shows and whatnot, I'd say a good 75% of people are guilty here, and that's my low-ball estimate. If you've been to redtube even and watched a single stolen movie, are you not guilty of consuming it?

You might argue you never would have bought it anyways.. The pirate community argues the same thing, that they are not the consumer. When a software company claims $829106870912 millions in losses due to piracy because X software was sent X # of times etc, how many of those people would have actually bought the software?

In the traditional oldschool pirate scene, there was a big divide between pirating things, and actually selling them. The biggest no-no of all, the cardinal rule was that it wasn't to be sold. All the nfo files clearly stated that if you used and enjoyed the software, go out and buy it. Many people even in the pirate community buy things too. Much of the stuff is initially purchased in order to be shared.

My personal opinion is that all of us would NOT be here today if it wasn't for piracy, that is very clear. The explosion of computers and computer literacy since lets say 1990 could not have happened without piracy.

Hell, my first experience with piracy was through my father (a policeman) who would bring a box of 720k disks home full of Amiga games from... work! The police bought computers early on, and employed some computer geeks, and everyone got into it early there.

Clearly Microsoft would not be the largest company in the world, the computer industry would not be nearly as rich, and the education levels of people in all connected industries would be much lower as well. Also the cost of doing business would be much higher, with less competition, and less people involved.

We can all thank piracy for getting us here. How many of your sales have come from customers that have illegal copies of windows on their PC's? Lotttts. If they were forced to buy a $200-300 OS, they might not even have a PC.

The problem is that with nothing to cool off the growth, and the worldwide reach of the internet, it's just impossible to police. It's grown into a sort of virus that has spread outside of a somewhat controlled community (computer people who know what the fuck they're doing) to the masses pirating media.

The pirates of old never even saw pirating media as an option really, and online music piracy for example didn't even come around until 1997-1998 with full force, and it did NOT come from the traditional pirate community. The music groups organized themselves, then there was a merger or some sorts.

So we're at an interesting juncture, where the only option really is censorship. I think it's scary to start going down that road, and how ironic is it that we're all looking to some kind of law enforcement to protect us from... the internet?

There are no easy solutions, but if you think piracy is all bad, take a step back and look at what you have, and where piracy has brought us today.

Pleasurepays · 03-23-2008, 04:50 PM

i'll just ignore this thread now and download it via btmon.com next week.

tony286 · 03-23-2008, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks

If you're talking pirating things for profit, I'd say there is only a small % of people here that go to those measures, although it's growing.

If you're talking pirating things for consumption like downloading music, movies, TV shows and whatnot, I'd say a good 75% of people are guilty here, and that's my low-ball estimate. If you've been to redtube even and watched a single stolen movie, are you not guilty of consuming it?

You might argue you never would have bought it anyways.. The pirate community argues the same thing, that they are not the consumer. When a software company claims $829106870912 millions in losses due to piracy because X software was sent X # of times etc, how many of those people would have actually bought the software?

In the traditional oldschool pirate scene, there was a big divide between pirating things, and actually selling them. The biggest no-no of all, the cardinal rule was that it wasn't to be sold. All the nfo files clearly stated that if you used and enjoyed the software, go out and buy it. Many people even in the pirate community buy things too. Much of the stuff is initially purchased in order to be shared.

My personal opinion is that all of us would NOT be here today if it wasn't for piracy, that is very clear. The explosion of computers and computer literacy since lets say 1990 could not have happened without piracy.

Hell, my first experience with piracy was through my father (a policeman) who would bring a box of 720k disks home full of Amiga games from... work! The police bought computers early on, and employed some computer geeks, and everyone got into it early there.

Clearly Microsoft would not be the largest company in the world, the computer industry would not be nearly as rich, and the education levels of people in all connected industries would be much lower as well. Also the cost of doing business would be much higher, with less competition, and less people involved.

We can all thank piracy for getting us here. How many of your sales have come from customers that have illegal copies of windows on their PC's? Lotttts. If they were forced to buy a $200-300 OS, they might not even have a PC.

The problem is that with nothing to cool off the growth, and the worldwide reach of the internet, it's just impossible to police. It's grown into a sort of virus that has spread outside of a somewhat controlled community (computer people who know what the fuck they're doing) to the masses pirating media.

The pirates of old never even saw pirating media as an option really, and online music piracy for example didn't even come around until 1997-1998 with full force, and it did NOT come from the traditional pirate community. The music groups organized themselves, then there was a merger or some sorts.

So we're at an interesting juncture, where the only option really is censorship. I think it's scary to start going down that road, and how ironic is it that we're all looking to some kind of law enforcement to protect us from... the internet?

There are no easy solutions, but if you think piracy is all bad, take a step back and look at what you have, and where piracy has brought us today.

Your stretching it a bit

NetHorse · 03-23-2008, 05:33 PM

I've downloaded stuff before, but if I like it I buy it or delete it off my PC. I guess you can say it's to give software/script creators their due, but in reality I just don't want anything that's not legally purchased on my PC. People get raided and goto jail for having stolen software all the time, stupid reason to goto jail.

Socks · 03-23-2008, 05:37 PM

Not at all man.

How many "designers" here could afford $600 photoshop at 12-13 years old when they were perfecting their craft? Yet they probably grew up, and bought a bunch of Adobe products they now use in their professional business.

Piracy isn't all loss in the software world, far from it.

What good comes from downloading media is beyond me though, I don't see any value other than convenience to the end user, and I wouldn't argue the same points on media piracy.

However, we're on computers, in a digital age, using software to transmit this media. I do not think we'd be here without it, growth would have come much more slowly.

03-23-2008, 05:48 PM

better redo this as in who wants to be a legit aff. and is against piracy.

stickyfingerz · 03-23-2008, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks

Not at all man.

How many "designers" here could afford $600 photoshop at 12-13 years old when they were perfecting their craft? Yet they probably grew up, and bought a bunch of Adobe products they now use in their professional business.

Piracy isn't all loss in the software world, far from it.

What good comes from downloading media is beyond me though, I don't see any value other than convenience to the end user, and I wouldn't argue the same points on media piracy.

However, we're on computers, in a digital age, using software to transmit this media. I do not think we'd be here without it, growth would have come much more slowly.

Dead on there. And anyone that doesnt think Adobe knows this and probably even helps stuff get "released" into the wild needs to think again. You go look at softward like 3dmax, and maya that has a crazy jumping off point price wise. They know their stuff is out there. Its long term investment.

Ill give you an example. My 3d guy currently does work for Motorola, Sony, The history channel etc etc. on Cinema 4d. He started off with a pirated copy to learn it. The funny part of it is this. He befriended a guy that worked for the company. The guy loved his work so much he showed it to the higher ups at Cinema 4d. They told him to tell my 3d guy they wanted to give him the new version that just came out for free. So they needed his original serial number in order to grant the license. He stupidly gave them the pirated serial he had. They of course knew it was pirated. He thought he would get in trouble over it. The guys from Cinema 4d sent him a brand new disc and big package of their software for .... FREE. Even though they knew he was using a pirated version to learn on.
Here are some of his samples.

Now understand what Im saying here, and yes there are differences of course from adult, companies use piracy as a means to get new loyal customers etc etc.

I guess the jist of it is this. Adult needs to unify over this issue, and I dont see that happening by Joe Smo calling out Billy Bob. What needs to happen is finding ways to exploit the piracy more. Do I have the solution? No but Ive put forth several ideas that people dont seem to care to discuss.

Right now we have a million lone wolfs out there in adult. Need to form a wolf pack and that wont happen the way things currently are going.

StarkReality · 03-23-2008, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

ah so we are talking the made up definition of piracy which ignores fair use and the safe harbor provision of the DMCA.

We are talking about the piracy that knowingly exploits legal loopholes and hides behind laws and regulations created to protect innocents from legal threats.

Calling it a made up definition simply ignores the fact that those tube owners know very well it's all stolen content.

So, legal wise, you may be right at the moment, but anyone with a little common sense would call it piracy without hesitating a moment.

baddog · 03-23-2008, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks

If you're talking pirating things for consumption like downloading music, movies, TV shows and whatnot, I'd say a good 75% of people are guilty here, and that's my low-ball estimate.

Based on?

gideongallery · 03-23-2008, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkReality

We are talking about the piracy that knowingly exploits legal loopholes and hides behind laws and regulations created to protect innocents from legal threats.

Calling it a made up definition simply ignores the fact that those tube owners know very well it's all stolen content.

So, legal wise, you may be right at the moment, but anyone with a little common sense would call it piracy without hesitating a moment.

do you remember how much of a pain it was to get your content down before dmca

remember having to get a court order before your take down request was even considered.

the safe harbor provision was the balance to the extra rights the dmca gave you.

viacomm dmca request against youtube include every instance of their show that came up for a search INCLUDING multiple parodies of their shows (fair use by everyones standard here)

DMCA is being abused by both sides, the safe harbour provision is the balance to that abuse by copyright holders.

is sending a for letter reviewing the new videos each day and sending a form letter really that expensive.

I know it not because one of my company does that for software. We include a digital identifier in the compiled code so it easy to scan for across all the torrent sites.

There are similar solutions for pictures and videos so it can be easily automated.

SilentKnight · 03-23-2008, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks

How many "designers" here could afford $600 photoshop at 12-13 years old when they were perfecting their craft? Yet they probably grew up, and bought a bunch of Adobe products they now use in their professional business.

Before Photoshop even existed - some of us learned the basics of our craft using shareware/freeware versions of photo editors such as Aldus PhotoStyler (which I still use daily - despite owning paid-for copies both Pshop Elements and Photoshop7).

One needn't shell out the $600-700 clams for the cadillac Photoshop to develop their skills.

LeRoy · 03-23-2008, 08:00 PM

Yah all my dreamweaver and photoshop is a crack copy

but......

I am pro - pay 4 porn and music. I have some VOD pay per minute software . Hit me up. Lets make some dough

Brujah · 03-23-2008, 08:08 PM

Is this like a Boycott? If a program owner or webmaster is using AFF or Brazzers, then we shouldn't do any business with them?

Socks · 03-23-2008, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Before Photoshop even existed - some of us learned the basics of our craft using shareware/freeware versions of photo editors such as Aldus PhotoStyler (which I still use daily - despite owning paid-for copies both Pshop Elements and Photoshop7).

One needn't shell out the $600-700 clams for the cadillac Photoshop to develop their skills.

Sure but obviously one was superior ;P

I remember Jasc Paint Shop Pro quite well

03-23-2008, 02:47 PM	#1
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	If you are pro-piracy, post here So we can decide who we want as affiliates and business partners, and who we DON'T. Step up, don't be shy. This industry needs an enema! __________________ Abra-cadabra! Last edited by SteveLightspeed; 03-23-2008 at 02:48 PM..

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Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	I'm not buying a Windows copy, that's for sure. __________________ M&A Queen

03-23-2008, 02:55 PM	#6
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	pro-piracy people could care less to be your affiliate anyways. they make way more bank with cams.com and aff giving away your content than they could ever imagine making referring sales. get the cams and dating sponsors on your side in terminated accounts and you might have something, until then pirate forums and illegal tubes are just laughing at you all the way to the bank. Last edited by Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life; 03-23-2008 at 02:57 PM..

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03-23-2008, 02:49 PM	#2
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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Time for the lines to be drawn.

03-23-2008, 03:17 PM	#12
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	i am pro piracy, but not the type you are thinking of

03-23-2008, 03:27 PM	#16
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	it's a good idea - an industry 'bad guy' list on the piracy issue - and the rule should be ONE degree of separation because I know every time this gets discussed a bunch of people come out and bring up this red herring that everybody in one way or another is doing business with somebody else that is doing business with a pirate - and they always bring up Google including torrents amont the top results for any porn keyword. ONE degree of separation - GTS sells advertising on tube sites - should you do business with TGP's that have GTS brokering their spots - yes, that is TWO degrees of separation from piracy. Should you do business with GTS? No, they are ONE degree separated from piracy. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-23-2008, 03:27 PM	#17
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03-23-2008, 04:47 PM	#25
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	If you're talking pirating things for profit, I'd say there is only a small % of people here that go to those measures, although it's growing. If you're talking pirating things for consumption like downloading music, movies, TV shows and whatnot, I'd say a good 75% of people are guilty here, and that's my low-ball estimate. If you've been to redtube even and watched a single stolen movie, are you not guilty of consuming it? You might argue you never would have bought it anyways.. The pirate community argues the same thing, that they are not the consumer. When a software company claims $829106870912 millions in losses due to piracy because X software was sent X # of times etc, how many of those people would have actually bought the software? In the traditional oldschool pirate scene, there was a big divide between pirating things, and actually selling them. The biggest no-no of all, the cardinal rule was that it wasn't to be sold. All the nfo files clearly stated that if you used and enjoyed the software, go out and buy it. Many people even in the pirate community buy things too. Much of the stuff is initially purchased in order to be shared. My personal opinion is that all of us would NOT be here today if it wasn't for piracy, that is very clear. The explosion of computers and computer literacy since lets say 1990 could not have happened without piracy. Hell, my first experience with piracy was through my father (a policeman) who would bring a box of 720k disks home full of Amiga games from... work! The police bought computers early on, and employed some computer geeks, and everyone got into it early there. Clearly Microsoft would not be the largest company in the world, the computer industry would not be nearly as rich, and the education levels of people in all connected industries would be much lower as well. Also the cost of doing business would be much higher, with less competition, and less people involved. We can all thank piracy for getting us here. How many of your sales have come from customers that have illegal copies of windows on their PC's? Lotttts. If they were forced to buy a $200-300 OS, they might not even have a PC. The problem is that with nothing to cool off the growth, and the worldwide reach of the internet, it's just impossible to police. It's grown into a sort of virus that has spread outside of a somewhat controlled community (computer people who know what the fuck they're doing) to the masses pirating media. The pirates of old never even saw pirating media as an option really, and online music piracy for example didn't even come around until 1997-1998 with full force, and it did NOT come from the traditional pirate community. The music groups organized themselves, then there was a merger or some sorts. So we're at an interesting juncture, where the only option really is censorship. I think it's scary to start going down that road, and how ironic is it that we're all looking to some kind of law enforcement to protect us from... the internet? There are no easy solutions, but if you think piracy is all bad, take a step back and look at what you have, and where piracy has brought us today. Last edited by Socks; 03-23-2008 at 04:49 PM..

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03-23-2008, 05:37 PM	#29
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	Not at all man. How many "designers" here could afford $600 photoshop at 12-13 years old when they were perfecting their craft? Yet they probably grew up, and bought a bunch of Adobe products they now use in their professional business. Piracy isn't all loss in the software world, far from it. What good comes from downloading media is beyond me though, I don't see any value other than convenience to the end user, and I wouldn't argue the same points on media piracy. However, we're on computers, in a digital age, using software to transmit this media. I do not think we'd be here without it, growth would have come much more slowly.

03-23-2008, 05:48 PM	#30
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