really? when you are bragging about having a 500K stock portfolio and a lot of real estate and can't stop talking about how much money you have ... then are finally forced to break down, admit you suck dirty moose ass, are totally broke and need any kind of work to pay your rent... its "my failure" to understand what is real and what isn't?

haha.. uhm.... yeah.


ok.


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How is it different?

A catholic who takes birth control or who is pro-choice is in direct defiance of the church. Not just their pastor, but the pope himself.
So why is it possible for a person to be catholic, attend church regularly, and yet still not agree with some of the core teachings of the church....but it's impossible for a black man to attend Obama's church and not agree with the things Rev. Wright said?

What I see in your statements is a projection of your own racism onto Obama. You assume that because you don't like black people that they don't like you either.

“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.”
--Edward Abbey

"Anti-American" my ass.

To call another so for speaking up against his government is more "Anti-American" than critique of nearly any American policy ever could be. :2 cents:

Spot on.

People seem to have a hard time differentiating between loving your country and loving your current government.
They are two totally different things.

You suffer from diarrhea of the finger tips.

Great post! :thumbsup

theking is a mindless, patriotic drone with little or no ability to think for himself.

Self-critique isn't a virtue in the eyes of modern 'patriots'

Says a board whore.

You are wrong of course...but you also are entitled to your opinion...sport. I consider myself to be a patriot...yes...but I also frequently complain to my congressman about my government...much more often than his staff would like to hear.

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Of course you think I'm wrong. Nobody likes to be called a mindless patriotic drone... especially if they are one.

I stopped being a 'patriot' when I started to travel internationally a lot and realised that most people are patriots - irrespective of what country they're from. I've been to Russia, and trust me, they outdo Americans when it comes to patriotism. Only they aren't quite as obnoxious about it. And they're equally entitled to be patriotic. Because patriotism is all perception. Your country is the best becuase you think so! Woohoo!

So if every country has a right to be patriotic then why be a patriot? It's like 1000 guys with identical dicks arguing about who has the best dick. It's pointless, it's retarded, it's small minded and is only something that unthinking drones think about.

Those who think for themselves abandoned the idea of 'patriotism' long ago. :1orglaugh

You are entitled to your opinions...but that is all they are...opinions...and opinons are like assholes...all assholes have one. I personally do not bow to your "superiority"...thank you very much.

You assume too much. The reason I dislike Obama is because he is one of those pretty speaking people who is nothing more than a product. Anyone who doesn't fall for pretty words and sayings can see there is little of substance behind him and who or what he is remains well hidden. I kinda hope Americans get him, he may work out fine, he may just be the same old, but there is a good chance he will really hurt America both with his weak image and foreign policy and I am sure he will be a disaster for your economy.

Back to the original point .. people will attend a catholic church and still use birth control (I personally know people who do!), but people won't attend a church that preaches racist rhetoric if they don't agree with it ... they will go to a church more in line with their values.

Anyhow Americans deserve Obama ... and I guarantee you will get a hardline republican with a huge majority as soon as Obama's term is up. Once the world starts taking advantage of weak leadership and America gets trodden on for a few years people will get sick of the pretty speeches and clean softy-softly president. You need someone in there with a giant set of balls, and Clinton is packing twice that of Obama.

What a pathetic, wasted life you've led. Failed marriage after failed marriage because you couldn't satisfy your wives. You weren't even a real man when it mattered.

You tried to compensate for your low self esteem by joing the armed forced, but you proved a failure at that too. Now you are crippled and living in constant pain, waiting to die.

And to top that off you hang out on an adult webmaster forum, even though you aren't a webmaster.

You are the very definition of a loser. :1orglaugh

Birds of a feather, flock together.

You amuse yourself very easily...now don't you? This is often a sign of a low IQ...now isn't it? As for waiting to die...I will welcome death...but at the rate you are going you may beat me to it...now isn't that right...sport? BTW...I have already stated that I do not bow to your "superiority" and really do not give a fuck about your opinions on any subject...so feel free to go fuck yourself.

I see things have not changed around here. LOL

Ummm. I thought you were closer to my age.. I am glad to hear your surgeries worked out.

I guess what I'm saying is that I think the people bashing have been hypocritical, especially conservatives. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson stated that pagans, abortionists, gays, feminists and others with alternative lifestyles were responsible for 9/11. That the lord chose not to protect us because of them.

Now Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are just as insane as a guy like Wright in my mind. Robertson and Falwell had a seat at the White House for weekly meetings with the President on policy and issues. Bush even had private conversations with Pat Robertson on whether to invade Iraq or not. He spoke at Bob Jones University in 2000, a school that doesn't allow interracial dating, has called the Pope Satan, and has fought tooth and nail to keep blacks off their campus for decades.

Now my question is why is the Rev. Wright issue so horrible, but taking military advice from a man who believes we were attacked because we have gays in our country is OK. Speaking in front of a racist University is fine? Is it because Rev. Wright is black? Is it because his Church is "different" than your classic white Church? It seems that race and xenophobia are the prime components of why this is a big deal and what President Bush did was not.

You could not be more wrong. Quit while you are ahead.

I don't see why her thesis was wrong. She spoke on the racial divide in 1985 at a school that was almost exclusively white at the time. The society and culture surrounding the University had to be odd for a young, black woman in 1985. After reading it, it seemed like a fair assesment of how she felt about going to school there. I would imagine I'd have had the same sentiment if I went to an all black inner-city school as a white male.

Nonetheless, it was a thesis written in her early twenties. Who cares?

If you want to bash politician's wives, look at Cindy McCain. She was a drug addict and a thief in the 90's. Still, I don't see why that would change my vote for McCain?

Yeah, I still have the house by the psycho neighbor. I am never there though. haha

There was actually two psychos at the time. Fortunately, one of them moved. :)

her early 20's? and how many weaks ago did she stand up before a crowd and say that for the first time in her adult life, she was proud of her country? 3-4? 5?

i was speaking about a wider pattern and what seems now to be a fairly consistent theme in his life and with those he chooses to surround himself with.

The history of our country has not exactly been very favorable to black women. It's hard for me to judge her feelings on a country that has treated her race and gender as 2nd class citizens for a majority of its tenure.

again... i was talking about obama and what seems to be a pretty clear pattern of behavior in those he chooses to surround himself with. i'm sure to some its perfectly normal for a potential first lady to stand up and let everyone know that she has always been ashamed of her own country for her entire adult life,... others might tend to question that.

this process is all about trying to figure out what these people are about. so far, obama has flown under the radar, hasn't been critically challenged by the media and has been portrayed more or less as the black messiah with idiots passing out at his conventions... and he's been careful for the most part to not let hillary drag him down into the mud where she is comfortable.

as time wears on, we find out he's buddies with a terrorist, he attends a church for 20 plus years thats run by some racist, seperatist, anti-semtic, radical wierdo who is still living in the 50s, his wife has some issues etc etc... and the list is growing.

and as i've said... the list is growing and the media hasn't even began to jump up his ass with a microscope yet. its only been happening for a couple weeks and its basically sinking his campaign. i wouldn't be too optimistic about where he'll be 2-3 months from now. it doesn't look good for him.

it took him a week just to figure out what to say about his pastor in spite of the obvious damage that was occuring. i can't really imagine him addressing Kim Jong Il or Iran or anyone else that wants to test his leadership by making threats and pushing.

i think he has a tough road ahead and anyone that is busy patting him and themselves on the back because he decided to come out of the shadows and address this last weeks blowup today, is a bit premature... once the press starts to open fire... we'll see what they hit.

you cant run an presidential race on the concept of being a unifier and agent of change when everything about your life so far seems to prove that

1) he has never done either

2) he has no experience at either

3) everything about his past and his associations seem to paint a picture that he is the exact opposite person than he has been trying to market himself as

very good points...as is the case in the modern day "democratic process" the media has a huge factor on who wins...up till now Obama has been as you said flying under the radar but it seems with more stones overturned he has some potentially very explosive issues surrounding him....Hillary must be smiling as she doesnt even need to get her hands dirty for this one.

And McCain surrounds himself with corrupt financial people, career lobbyists, indicted Congressmen, and state legislatures who like to offer $20 to black guys in bathrooms for blowjobs. His wife is an admitted drug addict and thief.

And I'm usually a guy who votes Republican, and still might. I'm just pointing out that McCain's background is much more sketchier than Obama's. I honestly could careless what Obama's wife thinks about race in this country, and I could care less if she is proud of it. I could give two shits about what Obama or McCain's pastors think of this country. I'm only concerned with what either person will do or try to do for the country.

I don't believe either side has strong candidates this year. But my biggest concern right now is the economy. I have a lot of issues voting for a guy who was behind one of the biggest bank scandals in our nation's history. A guy who is bought and paid for by major investment firms. And a party that has built a policy that has ignored inflation in an effort to bailout Wall Street and investment firms. That's what is important to me, not what someone's pastor, hair dresser, or wife says.

What I'm trying to say is that each candidate has people around them with flaws. I don't think Obama's are nearly as bad as some other candidates. And when it comes down to it, I really don't care about those people, I just care about the candidate. But the media is going to run with whatever story they want and they'll have a big impact on this election. Right now I think they took a lot of shit from people on favoritism toward Obama early on and are doing their best to reverse it.

its a dream come true for her. she's a vile cunt... she's been trying to drag him into the mud with her and after turning everyone off with her phony tears and vicious behavior.. she can finally sit back and shut up and let him implode on his own and focus on where bill sticks his penis and where she sticks her penis.

the conversation is not about mccain and how his issues will affect him. the conversation is about obama and all the stuff that is only recently coming to light.

and i agree... they are all assholes.... again. its quite disappointing.

you forgot to add marine