0:5000 / 0:10000 etc... RATIO when do you drop a SPONSOR??? - GoFuckYourself.com

Pokey the Turtle · 03-13-2008, 07:09 PM

Sure it takes time to fine tune your traffic to the relevant sponsor

But when exactly do you call it game and stop sending traffic?

I have seen drastic ratio changes over a few weeks, by a couple thousand even...what is your cut off taking in to account the time and ratio?

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Camco · 03-13-2008, 07:11 PM

0:5000 is normally my drop of point

baddog · 03-13-2008, 07:14 PM

depends on the traffic source . . . if blind link, what do you expect?

Tempest · 03-13-2008, 07:15 PM

Statistically speaking, if everything else stays the same, a program that averages conversions of 1:500 could have a period of 1:11000

Martin · 03-13-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Camco

0:5000 is normally my drop of point

Same. If I don't see a sale, I move on.

Pokey the Turtle · 03-13-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Camco

0:5000 is normally my drop of point

is that within a certain time-frame?

taking in to account any fine tuning of traffic or just general?

Martin · 03-13-2008, 07:21 PM

If it doesn't average out over 3 months to 1-1000, Raw I don't bother with it. Most good sponsors average out to 1:800 Unq. I need to see atleast 1 sale for the first 5000 clicks I send if I'm going to consider moving forward with the program.

fuzebox · 03-13-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

depends on the traffic source . . . if blind link, what do you expect?

Exactly, every traffic source is different and everyone's method of promotion is different... Conversion ratios are meaningless when shared between two people.

Pokey the Turtle · 03-13-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

depends on the traffic source . . . if blind link, what do you expect?

assuming that I have blogs with relevant keywords for which 90% of traffic comes from google... and every sponsor is selected for that niche,

when would you drop a sponsor?

Pokey the Turtle · 03-13-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Statistically speaking, if everything else stays the same, a program that averages conversions of 1:500 could have a period of 1:11000

that would mean I'd wait at least 11000 before dropping?

D Ghost · 03-13-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

depends on the traffic source . . . if blind link, what do you expect?

Very good point, there are many factors to take into consideration.

Pokey the Turtle · 03-13-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

If it doesn't average out over 3 months to 1-1000, Raw I don't bother with it. Most good sponsors average out to 1:800 Unq. I need to see atleast 1 sale for the first 5000 clicks I send if I'm going to consider moving forward with the program.

thanks, that sounds like a good way to go

Tempest · 03-13-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokey the Turtle

that would mean I'd wait at least 11000 before dropping?

Yes... but note I said "if everything stays the same".. which is never the case as traffic "quality" can change hourly and daily... So I would say that it would depend on the period... If you're sending 11,000 a day, then I would say you could see that type of thing fairly often.. but if you sent that over a month, then I'd definatley drop it at that point. Keep in mind also that if the site is converting worse than 1:500, then you'd have to send a lot more to just get 1 sale for that bad time frame.

Pokey the Turtle · 03-13-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Yes... but note I said "if everything stays the same".. which is never the case as traffic "quality" can change hourly and daily... So I would say that it would depend on the period... If you're sending 11,000 a day, then I would say you could see that type of thing fairly often.. but if you sent that over a month, then I'd definatley drop it at that point. Keep in mind also that if the site is converting worse than 1:500, then you'd have to send a lot more to just get 1 sale for that bad time frame.

no way near to 11.000 to a sponsor per day

but per month per sponsor ...yes close to 8.000/10.000

again assuming I have mostly 2 sponsors per blog

sure the ratios differ largely from day to day but also depend upon the niche being promoted, right?

thanks a lot for your insight

Pokey the Turtle · 03-13-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Exactly, every traffic source is different and everyone's method of promotion is different... Conversion ratios are meaningless when shared between two people.

good point, so assuming blogs fed mostly by google traffic?

Jdoughs · 03-13-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokey the Turtle

good point, so assuming blogs fed mostly by google traffic?

The traffic is good, but a 9th place listing will bring you nowhere near the conversions a 2-3rd place listing will. By the time a surfer has reached your page he has clicked through to the sponsor X times allready, every time he doesnt sign up there is less chance he will next time.

I think you will find that by bumping the site to the top few searches your conversions will suddenly be very good.

Many top 3 ranks in terms will do 1-60/1-75 average, where as the 9th spot may be lucky to see 1:1000 - 1:1500, and certainly, as bad as 1-5000, but at 1 in 5000 you still need only 1-2 good days to turn it into a respectable conversion rate.

Pokey the Turtle · 03-13-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by deejne

Very good point, there are many factors to take into consideration.

yup indeed

Pokey the Turtle · 03-13-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

The traffic is good, but a 9th place listing will bring you nowhere near the conversions a 2-3rd place listing will. By the time a surfer has reached your page he has clicked through to the sponsor X times allready, every time he doesnt sign up there is less chance he will next time.

I think you will find that by bumping the site to the top few searches your conversions will suddenly be very good.

Many top 3 ranks in terms will do 1-60/1-75 average, where as the 9th spot may be lucky to see 1:1000 - 1:1500, and certainly, as bad as 1-5000, but at 1 in 5000 you still need only 1-2 good days to turn it into a respectable conversion rate.

great post, so many things to consider that I never even thought of...thx

fuzebox · 03-13-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokey the Turtle

good point, so assuming blogs fed mostly by google traffic?

Then it depends on volume. 30 hits a day for 3 months is not the same as sending 9000 over a few days...

Pokey the Turtle · 03-13-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Then it depends on volume. 30 hits a day for 3 months is not the same as sending 9000 over a few days...

so as such my question was meaningless, too many variables: depending on time of day , day of the week, own hosting, hosting of sponsor, time period,
google position, timing of google position etc...ahh

I might consider going back to my old job milking donkeys for sperm

Jdoughs · 03-13-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokey the Turtle

so as such my question was meaningless, too many variables: depending on time of day , day of the week, own hosting, hosting of sponsor, time period,
google position, timing of google position etc...ahh

I might consider going back to my old job milking donkeys for sperm

Rofl, nah just gotta remember that there is many many factors. A sponsor that ive consistantly been at 1-500 with for a few years is doing about 1/1500 with the same traffic. Lots of reasons why.

None make me feel any better..heh

nekrom · 03-13-2008, 09:36 PM

I stop pushing a program at 0:3000. My traffic comes from fs submits to LL's, every single link is "non blind" and has the paysite name in the url. If the paysite can't convert it lower then that, then I move onto another one.

-N

PornMogul · 03-13-2008, 09:46 PM

Well first of all I never push a sponsor unless I know it will convert. I never get 0:anything. Some sponsors will convert better and some will convert worse but I always get atleast some sales. If you are sending to a sponsor and getting 0 sales then you aren't a good webmaster.

GatorB · 03-13-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMogul

Well first of all I never push a sponsor unless I know it will convert. I never get 0:anything. Some sponsors will convert better and some will convert worse but I always get atleast some sales. If you are sending to a sponsor and getting 0 sales then you aren't a good webmaster.

How would you know they convert without trying them out? Because someone else told you they did? Not really a smart way of doing it.

PornMogul · 03-13-2008, 10:07 PM

umm no, I know because I know what my traffic is looking for so I know where to send them to.

GatorB · 03-13-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMogul

umm no, I know because I know what my traffic is looking for so I know where to send them to.

That doesn't answer the question HOW do you know. You can't just tell. While you're at it predict the powerball numbers it's $275 million

RTP · 03-13-2008, 11:01 PM

analyze your traffic sources and your strategy for "originating" traffic. not everyones ratio is going to be the same that's for sure

Pokey the Turtle · 03-20-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMogul

Well first of all I never push a sponsor unless I know it will convert. I never get 0:anything. Some sponsors will convert better and some will convert worse but I always get atleast some sales. If you are sending to a sponsor and getting 0 sales then you aren't a good webmaster.

but the ratio the ratio...sure if i send x.000 hits then one day i will convert some traffic

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Pokey the Turtle Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 216	0:5000 / 0:10000 etc... RATIO when do you drop a SPONSOR??? Sure it takes time to fine tune your traffic to the relevant sponsor But when exactly do you call it game and stop sending traffic? I have seen drastic ratio changes over a few weeks, by a couple thousand even...what is your cut off taking in to account the time and ratio? . __________________ *Fight Porn! NOW!* ICQ 405-839-610

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Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	If it doesn't average out over 3 months to 1-1000, Raw I don't bother with it. Most good sponsors average out to 1:800 Unq. I need to see atleast 1 sale for the first 5000 clicks I send if I'm going to consider moving forward with the program. __________________

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nekrom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia/Asia Posts: 921	I stop pushing a program at 0:3000. My traffic comes from fs submits to LL's, every single link is "non blind" and has the paysite name in the url. If the paysite can't convert it lower then that, then I move onto another one. -N __________________ Free Traffic

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RTP aka Jimmy James Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Newport Posts: 1,335	analyze your traffic sources and your strategy for "originating" traffic. not everyones ratio is going to be the same that's for sure __________________ Jimmy James ATKingdom/AMK Empire Since 1996 - My Movies Home of ATKGirlfriends - Where we take pornstars on trips...and fuck them. Connect with me on LinkedIn

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Camco Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 137	0:5000 is normally my drop of point

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	depends on the traffic source . . . if blind link, what do you expect?

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Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	Statistically speaking, if everything else stays the same, a program that averages conversions of 1:500 could have a period of 1:11000

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PornMogul Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Location: LA Posts: 1,495	Well first of all I never push a sponsor unless I know it will convert. I never get 0:anything. Some sponsors will convert better and some will convert worse but I always get atleast some sales. If you are sending to a sponsor and getting 0 sales then you aren't a good webmaster.

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PornMogul Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Location: LA Posts: 1,495	umm no, I know because I know what my traffic is looking for so I know where to send them to.