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justsexxx · 10-09-2002, 03:15 AM

Damn,

Our accountant told us, that we need to pay BTW over the income from US pornsites.(like ARS, Topbucks etc)

First we didn't, but the belastingdienst

decided, we are creating those activities in Holland, and so we need to pay BTW over those activities.

Are more ppl paying(companies) BTW over that income?

Andre

Dirty F · 10-09-2002, 03:35 AM

My accountant told me i dont have to pay btw over the money generated in foreign countries.

justsexxx · 10-09-2002, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
My accountant told me i dont have to pay btw over the money generated in foreign countries.

Mine told the same, but they changed that all of a sudden

""""
De hoofdregel is: degene die de goederen levert of de diensten verleent, is belastingplichtig voor de BTW.

Er bestaan uitzonderingen op deze hoofdregel. Soms is niet degene die de goederen levert of de diensten verleent BTW verschuldigd, maar degene die de goederen of diensten afneemt. De BTW-verschuldigdheid van de leverancier is verlegd naar de afnemer.
"""""
Andre

artware · 10-09-2002, 04:13 AM

Hi,

As far as I know, the point is that you are delivering a service to a NON EU company, and therefor the BTW (sales tax) is not applicable.

Sales tax would only applicable for transactions between parties both located in the EU..

Greetings,

Art

Dirty F · 10-09-2002, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by artware

Greetings,

Art

NickB. · 10-09-2002, 04:28 AM

Met speciale regelingen hoef je geen BTW te betalen over inkomsten gegenereerd uit het buitenland,
Persoonlijk, zou ik het wel even kort sluiten, om misverstanden te voorkomen.

Bij payserve hoeven wij geen BTW te betalen over inkomsten gegenereerd bij bijv. ARS ofzo

Succes

artware · 10-09-2002, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Well, fuck you too pal!

Greetings,

Art

Calvinguy · 10-09-2002, 04:37 AM

Do this apply to all EU countries?

What if you run your own sites?

newgrade · 10-09-2002, 04:40 AM

blijkbaar zijn wij niet de enige met gedoe met de belastingdienst

Na veel gezeik is de belastingdienst in onze regio tot de conclusie gekomen dat ibill etc geld is uit het buitenland en valt onder buitenlandse inkomsten oftewel intra comm leveringen.

BTW betaal je dus sowieso niet, wel valt het onder vennootschapsbelasting etc.

Tip : zorg dat het geld in het buitenland blijft, dan ben je helemaal van het gedoe af

Video-Post · 10-09-2002, 04:50 AM

My tax consultant told me the following:

"We feel that advertising services supplied on the internet to customers established outside the EU or taxable persons within the EU are taxable in the country where the customer is established. This means that your services are not subject to Dutch VAT, provided that you can prove that your customers are situated outside the Netherlands."

Naughty · 10-09-2002, 05:37 AM

I'm having the same issues with my accountant.

For our design jobs, they tell us to charge BTW, but there is no client willing to pay us an additional 19% for the already not cheapest job.

Funny thing is, they tell me that because it is a SERVICE provided FROM the Netherlands, tax is applicable. If you export GOODS it is another story. So .. if you buy a 300$ ticket to NY every now and then (without actually having to go there) and tell them you did the job(s) there, it is still cheaper than paying 19% tax.

Anyway, we did not pay it up to now.

Naughty · 10-09-2002, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Video-Post
My tax consultant told me the following:

"We feel that advertising services supplied on the internet to customers established outside the EU or taxable persons within the EU are taxable in the country where the customer is established. This means that your services are not subject to Dutch VAT, provided that you can prove that your customers are situated outside the Netherlands."

Looks like every consultant has another story. I'm with your guy from now on

RaiDeN · 10-09-2002, 05:51 AM

You dont have to pay btw , wich is offcourse normal.

I have it on writing from the "belastingdienst voro bedrijveven Goes" that i never should pay btw for those particular incomes.

Have your account get that on writing be4 the belastingdienst screws you over.

cat · 10-09-2002, 05:53 AM

zo zie je maar die accountants lullen ook maar wat raak..

cat · 10-09-2002, 05:54 AM

wel gezellig he, zo'n nederlands onder onsje , zonder die
leipe amerikanen erbij..

ik hoop maaar dat ze geen nederlands kunnen

Libertine · 10-09-2002, 06:43 AM

Video-Post is ook een Nederlander???

justsexxx · 10-09-2002, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cat
zo zie je maar die accountants lullen ook maar wat raak..

Wel het was niet de accountant, maar de belastingdienst die de accountant belde....

Andre

RaiDeN · 10-09-2002, 09:31 AM

make sure to have it on writing.

they mostly dont understand it.

make sure to tell them. their webservers are in america. the surfers are from america and the company is from america.

they once wanted me to split all traffic into EACH country.

then check wich surfer from wich country purchsed what.

And then do the taxes according to that.

Lol i fell off my chair when they asked it.

But when they tell you to pay taxes its BS.

why? because in the Netherlands everything you sell is included into 19%tax (offcourse expections) so those 19% has to go to the taxguys.

But those foreign sponsors dont charge 19% Dutch taxes, so the taxguys have no right to collect it either.

talk about it and make sure you have it on paper.

will take a few. but after then the debate is over ;)

newgrade · 10-09-2002, 12:10 PM

what matters is if youre doin business with a registered company such as a b.v. vof or 1 person business or as a private person.

weve been paying out dailer revenues for ages and were getting the same question over n over again, do i have to pay taxes over this.

in all cases the irs/belastingdienst-fiod will get you anyhow. they simply wont accept you getting in or outside holland cheques on a regular base without you paying either income or any other tax over it.

we dont pay btw/vat to private persons as they cant deduct that as well, we do if they have a company and a LEGAL NL vat number. any other company as imco kpn tintel or whoever does the same if the money goes to a dutch account.

I couldnt care less if ppl tell the irs if they have $5000 a month or not, its their responsibilty. but yes they will find out since they have access to accounts as easy as typing 1-2-3

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justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	For the Dutch, Income from porn sites+ BTW Damn, Our accountant told us, that we need to pay BTW over the income from US pornsites.(like ARS, Topbucks etc) First we didn't, but the belastingdienst decided, we are creating those activities in Holland, and so we need to pay BTW over those activities. Are more ppl paying(companies) BTW over that income? Andre __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

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Naughty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Utopia Posts: 6,482	I'm having the same issues with my accountant. For our design jobs, they tell us to charge BTW, but there is no client willing to pay us an additional 19% for the already not cheapest job. Funny thing is, they tell me that because it is a SERVICE provided FROM the Netherlands, tax is applicable. If you export GOODS it is another story. So .. if you buy a 300$ ticket to NY every now and then (without actually having to go there) and tell them you did the job(s) there, it is still cheaper than paying 19% tax. Anyway, we did not pay it up to now. __________________ seks.ai for sale - ping me

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Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Video-Post is ook een Nederlander??? __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

10-09-2002, 03:35 AM	#2
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	My accountant told me i dont have to pay btw over the money generated in foreign countries.

10-09-2002, 04:13 AM	#4
artware Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 268	Hi, As far as I know, the point is that you are delivering a service to a NON EU company, and therefor the BTW (sales tax) is not applicable. Sales tax would only applicable for transactions between parties both located in the EU.. Greetings, Art

10-09-2002, 04:28 AM	#6
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	Met speciale regelingen hoef je geen BTW te betalen over inkomsten gegenereerd uit het buitenland, Persoonlijk, zou ik het wel even kort sluiten, om misverstanden te voorkomen. Bij payserve hoeven wij geen BTW te betalen over inkomsten gegenereerd bij bijv. ARS ofzo Succes

10-09-2002, 04:37 AM	#8
Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	Do this apply to all EU countries? What if you run your own sites?

10-09-2002, 04:40 AM	#9
newgrade Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 56	blijkbaar zijn wij niet de enige met gedoe met de belastingdienst Na veel gezeik is de belastingdienst in onze regio tot de conclusie gekomen dat ibill etc geld is uit het buitenland en valt onder buitenlandse inkomsten oftewel intra comm leveringen. BTW betaal je dus sowieso niet, wel valt het onder vennootschapsbelasting etc. Tip : zorg dat het geld in het buitenland blijft, dan ben je helemaal van het gedoe af

10-09-2002, 04:50 AM	#10
Video-Post Selling short ICQ numbers Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NL Posts: 1,118	My tax consultant told me the following: "We feel that advertising services supplied on the internet to customers established outside the EU or taxable persons within the EU are taxable in the country where the customer is established. This means that your services are not subject to Dutch VAT, provided that you can prove that your customers are situated outside the Netherlands."

10-09-2002, 05:51 AM	#13
RaiDeN Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 496	You dont have to pay btw , wich is offcourse normal. I have it on writing from the "belastingdienst voro bedrijveven Goes" that i never should pay btw for those particular incomes. Have your account get that on writing be4 the belastingdienst screws you over.

10-09-2002, 05:53 AM	#14
cat Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: europe Posts: 493	zo zie je maar die accountants lullen ook maar wat raak..

10-09-2002, 05:54 AM	#15
cat Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: europe Posts: 493	wel gezellig he, zo'n nederlands onder onsje , zonder die leipe amerikanen erbij.. ik hoop maaar dat ze geen nederlands kunnen

10-09-2002, 09:31 AM	#18
RaiDeN Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 496	make sure to have it on writing. they mostly dont understand it. make sure to tell them. their webservers are in america. the surfers are from america and the company is from america. they once wanted me to split all traffic into EACH country. then check wich surfer from wich country purchsed what. And then do the taxes according to that. Lol i fell off my chair when they asked it. But when they tell you to pay taxes its BS. why? because in the Netherlands everything you sell is included into 19%tax (offcourse expections) so those 19% has to go to the taxguys. But those foreign sponsors dont charge 19% Dutch taxes, so the taxguys have no right to collect it either. talk about it and make sure you have it on paper. will take a few. but after then the debate is over ;)

10-09-2002, 12:10 PM	#19
newgrade Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 56	what matters is if youre doin business with a registered company such as a b.v. vof or 1 person business or as a private person. weve been paying out dailer revenues for ages and were getting the same question over n over again, do i have to pay taxes over this. in all cases the irs/belastingdienst-fiod will get you anyhow. they simply wont accept you getting in or outside holland cheques on a regular base without you paying either income or any other tax over it. we dont pay btw/vat to private persons as they cant deduct that as well, we do if they have a company and a LEGAL NL vat number. any other company as imco kpn tintel or whoever does the same if the money goes to a dutch account. I couldnt care less if ppl tell the irs if they have $5000 a month or not, its their responsibilty. but yes they will find out since they have access to accounts as easy as typing 1-2-3