Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling

[cykoe6]

I wonder if this will put an end to all the global warming hysteria. Probably not.

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature...ticle10866.htm

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

Meteorologist Anthony Watts compiled the results of all the sources. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year time. For all sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.

Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.


Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.

[ADL Colin]

Fuck. I wonder if I can get a refund on the llama I just bought on ebay

[xroach]

they're using the fear of environmental collapse to accelerate globalization and take away countries sovernity, so don't count on it

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0

[D]

It seems that at least one blogger's forgetting his Physics 101 lessons in thermodynamics.

To simplify things a bit: as the polar caps melt, they release cold air and currents, which affect the average global temperature.

When the polar caps stop melting... lemme know.

[D]

And to the OP:

next time, try linking matters such as these to peer-reviewed articles. Nothing else really has any credibility in scientific matters.... especially blogs.

[NosMo]

Global What??? Like anyone knows for sure what is happening. In the mean time people crying wolf will panic the sheep.......

NosMo

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by D

It seems that at least one blogger's forgetting his Physics 101 lessons in thermodynamics.

To simplify things a bit: as the polar caps melt, they release cold air and currents, which affect the average global temperature.

When the polar caps stop melting... lemme know.

Did you even read the article?

Record levels of Antarctic sea ice

Here is some more information on the causes:

Dr. Kenneth Tapping is worried about the sun. Solar activity comes in regular cycles, but the latest one is refusing to start. Sunspots have all but vanished, and activity is suspiciously quiet. The last time this happened was 400 years ago -- and it signaled a solar event known as a "Maunder Minimum," along with the start of what we now call the "Little Ice Age."

Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, says it may be happening again. Overseeing a giant radio telescope he calls a "stethoscope for the sun," Tapping says, if the pattern doesn't change quickly, the earth is in for some very chilly weather.

........

In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov predicted the sun would soon peak, triggering a rapid decline in world temperatures. Only last month, the view was echoed by Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences. who advised the world to "stock up on fur coats." Sorokhtin, who calls man's contribution to climate change "a drop in the bucket," predicts the solar minimum to occur by the year 2040, with icy weather lasting till 2100 or beyond.

Observational data seems to support the claims -- or doesn't contradict it, at least. According to data from Britain's Met Office, the earth has cooled very slightly since 1998. The Met Office says global warming "will pick up again shortly." Others aren't so sure.

Researcher Dr. Timothy Patterson, director of the Geoscience Center at Carleton University, shares the concern. Patterson is finding "excellent correlations" between solar fluctuations, a relationship that historically, he says doesn't exist between CO2 and past climate changes. According to Patterson. we shouldn't be surprised by a solar link. "The sun [is] the ultimate source of energy on this planet," he says.

I know it hurts for all of the global warming alarmists to see years of propaganda and pseudoscience disproved with actual observable data but shit happens.

[ADL Colin]

I'm waiting for it to be on FOX so I can believe it

[Robbie]

I'm old enough to remember in the late 1970's when I was in High School that all the scientists predicted we were headed for an Ice Age. It was even on the cover of TIME magazine. I guess they just sort of conveniently forgot about all of that. LOL! Anything to keep that grant money rolling in I suppose. A scientist has to make a living!

[D]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Did you even read the article?

Yes. I did. Did you read what I wrote?

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I know it hurts for all of the global warming alarmists to see years of propaganda and pseudoscience disproved with actual observable data but shit happens.

I'm not an alarmist either way... I'm just someone who pays attention to what the peer-reviewed scientific community has to say on the subject.

If/when that view changes, my stance on the matter probably will along with it. Until then, I don't get why so many people pay attention to the latest blogger vying for attention over hundreds of articles that (for each article published) dozens, if not hundreds of independently oriented researches have scoured over to come to scientific agreement on.

It really is enough to cause one to lose confidence in the intelligence of one's fellow man.

[L-Pink]

Blogs ...... hahaha

[DateDoc]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm old enough to remember in the late 1970's when I was in High School that all the scientists predicted we were headed for an Ice Age. It was even on the cover of TIME magazine. I guess they just sort of conveniently forgot about all of that. LOL! Anything to keep that grant money rolling in I suppose. A scientist has to make a living!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by DateDoc

What was that again about ignoring all those scientists? LOL! They change their "opinions" according to what decade and political correct flavor of the month. Either that...or they were all idiots after "years of research" in 1977...or they are all idiots now. Or they either lied then, or they are lying now. Or...like I think...they just want to keep that "research" money flowing by the millions from my taxpaying pocket to their greedy asses.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm old enough to remember in the late 1970's when I was in High School that all the scientists predicted we were headed for an Ice Age. It was even on the cover of TIME magazine. I guess they just sort of conveniently forgot about all of that. LOL! Anything to keep that grant money rolling in I suppose. A scientist has to make a living!

More than just ice age. Every few years there is a OMFG WE ARE GOING TO DIE bullshit theory that comes up. Its all poppycock.

See you soon btw ;) Global warming is hours away now woot! hehe

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

More than just ice age. Every few years there is a OMFG WE ARE GOING TO DIE bullshit theory that comes up. Its all poppycock.

See you soon btw ;) Global warming is hours away now woot! hehe

Hell yes! I can't wait! It's wet and in the 40's where I live dropping down to the 30's tonight. But tomorrow I'll be in beautiful Costa Rica enjoying some global warming.

[Corona]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm old enough to remember in the late 1970's when I was in High School that all the scientists predicted we were headed for an Ice Age. It was even on the cover of TIME magazine. I guess they just sort of conveniently forgot about all of that. LOL! Anything to keep that grant money rolling in I suppose. A scientist has to make a living!

They didn't forget about it but they will tell you now that it was based on a flawed model because the number and locations of the temperature sensors was not representative of the whole earth.

Global warming does not mean that the entire earth is getting warmer but the average temp is getting warmer.

In any one location it can get much warmer, much colder or no change at all.

[tony286]

To be less wasteful and to get off the oil nipple. Even is it was total bullshit how is that bad?

[D]

Originally Posted by Robbie

What was that again about ignoring all those scientists? LOL! They change their "opinions" according to what decade and political correct flavor of the month. Either that...or they were all idiots after "years of research" in 1977...or they are all idiots now. Or they either lied then, or they are lying now. Or...like I think...they just want to keep that "research" money flowing by the millions from my taxpaying pocket to their greedy asses.

I just finished skimming the entire article (here: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...8620-1,00.html for your reference), and it was about one particular year with a cold winter.

Nothing climactic or even really on a global scale.. just one winter in the U.S.

Things tend to become more clear when you don't just look at the pictures, and actually stop and read the words, ya know.



Even so, the whole global climate change (aka, "Global Warming") discussion has been going on steadily since the 1980's. That's 30 years worth of focused research. Go to your local library and check it all the info... lots of peer-reviewed stuff to read on the subject.

Not sure if they have any picture-books, though.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by D

Yes. I did. Did you read what I wrote?



I'm not an alarmist either way... I'm just someone who pays attention to what the peer-reviewed scientific community has to say on the subject.

If/when that view changes, my stance on the matter probably will along with it. Until then, I don't get why so many people pay attention to the latest blogger vying for attention over hundreds of articles that (for each article published) dozens, if not hundreds of independently oriented researches have scoured over to come to scientific agreement on.

It really is enough to cause one to lose confidence in the intelligence of one's fellow man.

Exactly man. 99.9% of the worlds scientists agree that global warming is a reality. It is indeed possible to have global cooling as part of the process of global warming as the polar ice caps melt and cold waters begin to circulate.

Even if you think it is all complete bullshit then how anyone can think that humans can continue to destroy this planet faster than ever before and it not have dire consequences is beyond me.

[Robbie]

I'm all for solar power and anything else...But how do you know the model they are using NOW isn't "flawed". They were pretty damn sure about the Ice Age in the 1970's too.
Let me tell y'all a quick story about how concerned the world is...
I had a solar energy company out to my home. I have an acre of land right beside my house that is empty. I just fenced it in and let my dogs run it.
So I had seen that episode of Extreme Home Makeover where they installed one of those new solar power setups that follows the sun.
It's completely capable of powering everyones' homes
He came out measured everything...told me I live in a region that would work just fine and with my big empty field I could power my whole house AND sell power back to the power company.
The price? FIFTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS.
Folks, if the govts. around the world were serious about this...then why is it so expensive that it is completely out of reach for the average person?
I asked the guy the same question. He told me that the oil companies own the patents.
But still...We hear politicians talk all this bullshit about this is the "gravest danger facing civilization"
Do you think they really believe that?
And if they do, and they know there is a solution already available...then why don't they do something about that?
Why isn't every home and business in the U.S. solar powered right now?
I'll tell you why....because it's all bullshit and about the money baby!
And I don't have a problem with that at all...I just am shocked that people buy into the "global catastrophe" theories so easily.
Trust me...we're all being manipulated for money. That's the way the world works.
Back when we went into WWII the entire country was mobilized by the federal govt. Cars were NOT made and Detroit manufactured jeeps and tanks for the military instead. Rubber wasn't even allowed to be used for civilian purposes. And that was just to fight a war.
So no matter what kind of horseshit they try to feed us...just remember this: WWII was more of a priority than this "global catastrophe" Otherwise they would mandate the solar power.
Speaking of solar power...I read a report that said a grid of solar panels 100 square miles in the desert of New Mexico would generate enough electricity to power every home and business in the U.S. That way nobody would even have to buy individual solar units.
But yet....nothing is done.
But the icecaps are melting and it's the end of the world? I don't think so.

[directfiesta]

so funny ... to see such an important issue divided by US politics ....

I am a repukeblican, so I say global warming is a myth ...

I am a democrack, so I believe blindly in global warming ....

You guys are really pathetic

[D]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

More than just ice age. Every few years there is a OMFG WE ARE GOING TO DIE bullshit theory that comes up. Its all poppycock.

See you soon btw ;) Global warming is hours away now woot! hehe

One of the things I didn't miss in your absence is "ignorance" having one more champion.

Not many people are saying it's right around the corner. some are - but not many. Whatever their beliefs, people like drama, it seems... take a look at this thread, for example.

The current theory is a model built steadily over the last 25 years, and involves the concept of "geological time."

If the existence of the universe could be expressed in the life of a 35-year-old man... the Big Bang happened when he was born, the solar system formed when he was in his teens... the earth formed (start of geological time) when he was at about drinking age... and the earliest humans started walking the earth a month ago... and Jesus Christ was born (?) late yesterday. Wrap your head around that one for a bit, and I'll try to remember to this this thread up later tonight before I hit the sack.

[D]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

so funny ... to see such an important issue divided by US politics ....

I am a repukeblican, so I say global warming is a myth ...

I am a democrack, so I believe blindly in global warming ....

You guys are really pathetic

I'm neither democrat or republican, as a heads up.

And I don't understand where you get "blindly" from... explain.

really gotta run now.

[Robbie]

Thanks for being a jerk to me D. I'll remember that one. By the way...That isn't the cover I was thinking of. There was a story that was predicting an oncoming ICE AGE in either TIME or NEWSWEEK. I was only 17 years old back then and can't remember which. But scientists WERE convinced through years of study that we were heading into an ice age. I don't have time to hunt everything down but here is one article in TIME from the 1970's:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...944914,00.html Here is one of their end of the world quotes:
"Whatever the cause of the cooling trend, its effects could be extremely serious, if not catastrophic. Scientists figure that only a 1% decrease in the amount of sunlight hitting the earth's surface could tip the climatic balance, and cool the planet enough to send it sliding down the road to another ice age within only a few hundred years.
The earth's current climate is something of an anomaly; in the past 700,000 years, there have been at least seven major episodes of glaciers spreading over much of the planet. Temperatures have been as high as they are now only about 5% of the time. But there is a peril more immediate than the prospect of another ice age. Even if temperature and rainfall patterns change only slightly in the near future in one or more of the three major grain-exporting countries—the U.S., Canada and Australia —global food stores would be sharply reduced. University of Toronto Climatologist Kenneth Hare, a former president of the Royal Meteorological Society, believes that the continuing drought and the recent failure of the Russian harvest gave the world a grim premonition of what might happen. Warns Hare: "I don't believe that the world's present population is sustainable if there are more than three years like 1972 in a row." "

I have no idea why you went on the attack with your picture book comment to me. I was just discussing the subject and then you went all nasty on my ass. Not cool. I was interested in the topic. Not having you insult me.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by D

One of the things I didn't miss in your absence is "ignorance" having one more champion.

Not many people are saying it's right around the corner. some are - but not many. Whatever their beliefs, people like drama, it seems... take a look at this thread, for example.

The current theory is a model built steadily over the last 25 years, and involves the concept of "geological time."

If the existence of the universe could be expressed in the life of a 35-year-old man... the Big Bang happened when he was born, the solar system formed when he was in his teens... the earth formed (start of geological time) when he was at about drinking age... and the earliest humans started walking the earth a month ago... and Jesus Christ was born (?) late yesterday. Wrap your head around that one for a bit, and I'll try to remember to this this thread up later tonight before I hit the sack.

Ignorance hmm. No sorry. You are quite a bit younger than I. Say what you will, but when you see this same scare tactic crap come out every few years you take on a boy cried wolf type opinion. At this point that little boy must be fuckin horse. Someone get him a lozenge..

[Corona]

Originally Posted by Robbie

But the icecaps are melting and it's the end of the world? I don't think so.

You can ignore reality if you wish but it is a fact that the icecaps are melting at a very fast rate. You can believe that the tooth fairy is making them melt if it makes you feel any better but they are melting and it is going to cause problems. End of the world? No, but lots of problems.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Folks, if the govts. around the world were serious about this...then why is it so expensive that it is completely out of reach for the average person?

The reason you don't have cheap solar power now is due that idiot Ronald Regan. As soon as he took office he ripped the solar panels off the White House and gutted every alternative energy program that had been put in place by the Carter administration. Just think where we would be now if we had been working hard on alternative energy for the last 28 years.

[Fat Panda]

someones been reading drudge

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by xroach

they're using the fear of environmental collapse to accelerate globalization and take away countries sovernity, so don't count on it

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0

Shut up Bush cocksucker. You probaly believe in creationism too.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Corona

The reason you don't have cheap solar power now is due that idiot Ronald Regan. As soon as he took office he ripped the solar panels off the White House and gutted every alternative energy program that had been put in place by the Carter administration. Just think where we would be now if we had been working hard on alternative energy for the last 28 years.

Brother I'm not following how Ronald Reagan tearing off old solar technology almost 30 years ago has anything to do with governments around the entire world not making solar energy available. Your political views and the reality of what I told you about the solar units that CAN be bought and used right now don't compute. Forget politics for just a second....Republicans and Democrats don't have anything to do with the Chinese, the Russians, the Europeans and the rest of the world NOT using the technology that is available RIGHT NOW to power our homes and businesses.
You would think if this problem which is described over and over as the biggest global catastrophe in history that is going to wipe us all off the face of the earth were real....well, why don't all these governments around the world take action? Nothing stopping anybody from implementing that technology right now. It works, it will power your home, it won't burn a bit of fuel. But yet for some reason...they don't lift a finger.
My only conclusion is that they are deceiving us again in pursuit of money and power. Otherwise they would take action.
Fuck, they take very real action against seemingly "smaller" problems than "global catastrophe". But they do nothing about this?
I'm just saying that I don't trust govt. and I don't trust scientists who...when it comes down to it are just people trying to make money. I'm not a scientist and I have no "proof" of anything one way or another.
But don't you think that the leaders around the world (not just the U.S.) DO have any and all "proof" that they need?
Hell we invaded Iraq without any real proof and we've spent more money than it would cost to outfit every home and business with solar power. Yet we don't. Makes me wonder how real this "catastrophe" really is. Cause it don't matter if you're Republican or Democrat or the owner of an oil company. If the world is really coming to an end as we know it...and you have proof of it, then you would act. No money or politics has any value if we're all dead. My only conclusion is that the people in power know it's not true.

[D]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Thanks for being a jerk to me D. I'll remember that one.

...

I have no idea why you went on the attack with your picture book comment to me. I was just discussing the subject and then you went all nasty on my ass. Not cool. I was interested in the topic. Not having you insult me.

Please don't take it that way. I think I made a couple of assumptions I shouldn't have, and, in retrospect, you're right - I acted the ass. I guess it just seems we debate this same topic time and time again - and it's sometimes easy to forget there are people entering the discussion who haven't done so before. Still, I may have gotten caught up in things - but that's no excuse for acting disrespectfully to you. I offer my apologies, and I sincerely hope that you'll accept them.

On to your points: I think that there's certainly a long way to go in bridging the cooperation between politicians and the scientific community. Our current executive is arguably one of the most anti-scientific in history, and it seems to me that our representatives worry more about appearances or getting elected to the next term or landing a cushy consulting job after their time in office than actually doing right.

Then there's the actual science - which isn't perfect, but even so, the peer-reviewed publication process is probably one of the best feet forward that we have going on... and nearly everything that's coming from them in the last 50 years says what we're tossing into the atmosphere on a regular basis is screwing things up - as you appear to agree with. I think it's cool that you were looking to convert to solar power.... if I owned my home, I'd probably be looking to do the same.

I've read the article you listed, and a bit more on the subject over the last hour, and it appears that the idea arose from a greater understanding of global climate systems in the 70's paired with a decrease in temperature from the 40's to 70's. It was a new science working with recent data. The idea of "global cooling" was hyped by the media though it never gained any real scientific support. In example, to quote Dr. B.J. Mason of the Royal Meteorological Society as written in the QJRMS, 1976, p 473 (Symons Memorial Lecture):

At present we are in a warm interglacial period, the duration of these in the past have averaged about 50 kyr. It is probable that the present very warm interval, which has already lasted for about 10 kyr, will eventually give way to a period of colder climate. Statistically the chances that such a transition will begin in the next 100 years mayy be placed at about 1 in 100 but the full drop of 10 oC or so would probably be spread over several kyr. There is a rather higher probability that a cooling may set in but not be carried through to the full glacial conditions. The chances of a prolonged cold, but far from glacial, spell within the next century, with average temperatures lower by about 1 oC, such as occurred between 1500 and 1850, must be put quite high, about 1 in 5. However, there is no physical basis for predicting either the timing or magnitude of such changes because we do not yet understand the underlying causes. Likewise there is no real basis for the alarmist predictions of an imminent ice age which have largely been based on extrapolation of the 30-year trend of falling temperatures between 1940 and 1965. Apart from the strong dubiety of making a forecast from such a highly fluctuating record by extrapolation of such a short period trend, there is now evidence that the trend has been arrested.

And it's been later noted by a myriad of scientists - armed with that greater understanding of global climate systems and a lot more data - that we're most certainly in a stage of warming. The idea also seems to get hyped by the media - but the difference is that this time, unlike with "global cooling," the general concept has wide scientific support.

And, for the record, I don't think any of this mess means 'the end of the world'... just maybe the end of anywhere from thousands to millions of currently extant species... and I, personally, don't even think it'll mean the end of humankind (we're too adaptable) - but even if it does, the 'world' will certainly be here long after we're gone.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Ignorance hmm. No sorry. You are quite a bit younger than I. Say what you will, but when you see this same scare tactic crap come out every few years you take on a boy cried wolf type opinion. At this point that little boy must be fuckin horse. Someone get him a lozenge..

Quite a bit younger than you, am I? I think that you either have me confused with someone else, or you're misinformed... even if you are actually older than me (which I wouldn't have thunk by your pics), I don't think it's by any more than a couple of years.

And who says "ignorance" on any particular subject has anything to do with age? I'm 34, and ignorant of many things.... and I think it quite likely I'll leave this world remaining ignorant about things like interior decoration.... I'm just hoping you'll eventually smarten up about this particular topic... issues of morality and honesty aside, you seem a bright guy - when you choose to be.

I do understand what you're saying about the sensationalization, though... but, I think that's, sadly, just how our modern media works: 'The scientific community is saying that the world is due for massive changes over the next 200 years - how can we sell that?!'

The fact is, it's quite possible we won't see _massive_ changes in our lifetimes (give or take the polar bears going extinct, etc) - but the real message is that our children's children probably will (give or take 500 years), which is in the blink of an eye in that "geological time" I was referring to earlier.

[Iron Fist]

When is the next Extinction Level meteor going to hit the planet? WE NEED A NEW CRISIS DAMMIT!

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by D

Please don't take it that way. I think I made a couple of assumptions I shouldn't have, and, in retrospect, you're right - I acted the ass. I guess it just seems we debate this same topic time and time again - and it's sometimes easy to forget there are people entering the discussion who haven't done so before. Still, I may have gotten caught up in things - but that's no excuse for acting disrespectfully to you. I offer my apologies, and I sincerely hope that you'll accept them.

On to your points: I think that there's certainly a long way to go in bridging the cooperation between politicians and the scientific community. Our current executive is arguably one of the most anti-scientific in history, and it seems to me that our representatives worry more about appearances or getting elected to the next term or landing a cushy consulting job after their time in office than actually doing right.

Then there's the actual science - which isn't perfect, but even so, the peer-reviewed publication process is probably one of the best feet forward that we have going on... and nearly everything that's coming from them in the last 50 years says what we're tossing into the atmosphere on a regular basis is screwing things up - as you appear to agree with. I think it's cool that you were looking to convert to solar power.... if I owned my home, I'd probably be looking to do the same.

I've read the article you listed, and a bit more on the subject over the last hour, and it appears that the idea arose from a greater understanding of global climate systems in the 70's paired with a decrease in temperature from the 40's to 70's. It was a new science working with recent data. The idea of "global cooling" was hyped by the media though it never gained any real scientific support. In example, to quote Dr. B.J. Mason of the Royal Meteorological Society as written in the QJRMS, 1976, p 473 (Symons Memorial Lecture):



And it's been later noted by a myriad of scientists - armed with that greater understanding of global climate systems and a lot more data - that we're most certainly in a stage of warming. The idea also seems to get hyped by the media - but the difference is that this time, unlike with "global cooling," the general concept has wide scientific support.

And, for the record, I don't think any of this mess means 'the end of the world'... just maybe the end of anywhere from thousands to millions of currently extant species... and I, personally, don't even think it'll mean the end of humankind (we're too adaptable) - but even if it does, the 'world' will certainly be here long after we're gone.



Quite a bit younger than you, am I? I think that you either have me confused with someone else, or you're misinformed... even if you are actually older than me (which I wouldn't have thunk by your pics), I don't think it's by any more than a couple of years.

And who says "ignorance" on any particular subject has anything to do with age? I'm 34, and ignorant of many things.... and I think it quite likely I'll leave this world remaining ignorant about things like interior decoration.... I'm just hoping you'll eventually smarten up about this particular topic... issues of morality and honesty aside, you seem a bright guy - when you choose to be.

I do understand what you're saying about the sensationalization, though... but, I think that's, sadly, just how our modern media works: 'The scientific community is saying that the world is due for massive changes over the next 200 years - how can we sell that?!'

The fact is, it's quite possible we won't see _massive_ changes in our lifetimes (give or take the polar bears going extinct, etc) - but the real message is that our children's children probably will (give or take 500 years), which is in the blink of an eye in that "geological time" I was referring to earlier.

Lol Think you are taking college courses or something right now? Sorry that is probably what threw me off. 34 eh? Well... Ill be 35 in just over a week so I win lol.

Lets put it this way, Im not too worried about "global climate change" lol

[Drake]

Plenty of links here on the new global cooling:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...e-9e32747616f9

[Burnt Bacon]

"Peer reviewed" -- ahh, brings me back to university. Good times.

[slavdogg]

Originally Posted by ADL Colin

Fuck. I wonder if I can get a refund on the llama I just bought on ebay

shoulda bought an Alpaca and mated them with wig's donkeys

[slavdogg]

if the world continues cooling will Canadians invade America
and will Mexicans re invade Mexico ?

[D Ghost]

shit who even knows