More felons allowed to enlist into the Military

[DWB]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/...ilitary_felons

And when they are out of criminals who want to enlist, is the draft far behind?

[mozadek]

As long as it puts off a draft for the time being I am all for felons fighting in the war. Maybe Bush should do what Stalin did during WW2, tell prisoners if they fight in the war they will bet set free but send their asses back to prison when the war is over. Stalin was an asshole, hahahaha.

[Peaches]

Geeze, spend 5 minutes and actually read the article. I certainly have no problems with the enlistees they are talking about getting waivers to serve.

[After Shock Media]

Im up for them starting a draft. Though I would imagine that they would allow illegals to enlist for citizenship status when done. Wait that sounds like a bad sci fi movie.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Geeze, spend 5 minutes and actually read the article. I certainly have no problems with the enlistees they are talking about getting waivers to serve.

I didn't say I had a problem with it, I'm saying that they are really hurting for troops.

All men and women should be allowed to serve if they choose. Criminals can kill just as easy as non-criminals do, no need to discriminate.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I didn't say I had a problem with it, I'm saying that they are really hurting for troops.

All men and women should be allowed to serve if they choose. Criminals can kill just as easy as non-criminals do, no need to discriminate.

Again, if you actually READ the article, it sure as hell doesn't look like they are "hurting for troops". When they start offering the "jail or military" option that they did decades ago, THEN start worrying. Letting someone in because they had sex with their girlfriend when they were a teen is hardly opening up the floodgates for hard core felons to start filling the ranks.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/...ilitary_felons

And when they are out of criminals who want to enlist, is the draft far behind?

.. illegal immigrants will be next ...

enlist .. get a green card ....

[boneprone]

Send the Illegal Mexicans over. Let them fight for Citzenship.

[mozadek]

Originally Posted by boneprone

Send the Illegal Mexicans over. Let them fight for Citzenship.

You got that right, you want citizenship, you have to earn it.

[TurboAngel]

Originally Posted by mozadek

As long as it puts off a draft for the time being I am all for felons fighting in the war. Maybe Bush should do what Stalin did during WW2, tell prisoners if they fight in the war they will bet set free but send their asses back to prison when the war is over. Stalin was an asshole, hahahaha.

Sorry but that made me laugh sooooo fucking hard!

[BradM]

Fight for citizenship is a great idea. Do you have any clue how many people will come to fight who will WANT to fight?

[aico]

Maybe if the started the draft, more people would actually give a shit and stop putting their heads in the sand.

[Scootermuze]

Originally Posted by aico

Maybe if the started the draft, more people would actually give a shit and stop putting their heads in the sand.

There is a draft of sorts... under the guise of the stop-loss policy..

It wasn't just a movie..

[GetSCORECash]

they should put them on the front lines, if we had one!

To bad these guys will be the only smart ones that will not get shot or blown to pieces.

[baddog]

Too bad none of you people remember the 60's and 70's. There is nothing new here.

[EZRhino]

It will be interesting to see how many of those felons repeat offened while in the service? Some people need a second chance in life and sometimes the Marines are successful at giving them that chance. But not always.

[farkedup]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Im up for them starting a draft. Though I would imagine that they would allow illegals to enlist for citizenship status when done. Wait that sounds like a bad sci fi movie.

let them go kill some bugs

I am all for citizenship for service. Just like Starship Troopers!!

[boneprone]

Originally Posted by BradM

Fight for citizenship is a great idea. Do you have any clue how many people will come to fight who will WANT to fight?

The critics say its a form of racism.. I see it as the opposite.

If I saw a Mexican dude who I knew fought for this Country to live in I would honor him. Look up to him. It would be an honor. People wouldnt be looking down on the minorities as much. You couldnt. Because they fought to have a family here.

Honorable.


My Grandfather did it in WWII.

[boneprone]

Originally Posted by aico

Maybe if the started the draft, more people would actually give a shit and stop putting their heads in the sand.

Exactly. As soon as the draft becomes more of a realistic issue, people will start taking this war more seriously.

Until then American Idol is more important for middle and upper class America to follow.

Until the Sons of America's Households are drafted out to war people really and honestly dont give shit. ITs tea time talk. Draft away our sons and its Riot time like the Vietnam Era. People will rage.


Maybe its needed. Just to get America to WAKE THE FUCK UP.

[I'm Looking For A...]

draft. pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttt ttttttttttttttttttt

[I'm Looking For A...]

btw, Id rather a buncha felons were used as initial infantry before our boys went in ANY day of the week. No need for youngins out of high school to take a bullet in the head when we got tons of useless assholes taking up tax money to rot in prison. Chew that

[Kevsh]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Again, if you actually READ the article, it sure as hell doesn't look like they are "hurting for troops". When they start offering the "jail or military" option that they did decades ago, THEN start worrying. Letting someone in because they had sex with their girlfriend when they were a teen is hardly opening up the floodgates for hard core felons to start filling the ranks.

I think you misunderstood his point (and assuming I *did* understand it), that they are loosening restrictions on enlisting because the U.S. is getting desperate to recruit more troops - it's not *who* they are letting in, just the fact that they are making it easer.

It's no secret there has been a shortfall of recruits for years and clearly they are trying new ways to get people to enlist. Loosening restrictions is just one of many tactics.

(Of course, the bad publicity over the "Stop-Less" idea doesn't help their case much)

[Scootermuze]

Originally Posted by baddog

Too bad none of you people remember the 60's and 70's. There is nothing new here.

I remember that era quite well.. Did my time in and around Ben Wah..

What ya have new is the fact that we're runnin' thin on troups..

We had the draft back then...

The current conundrum is quite new..

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

I remember that era quite well.. Did my time in and around Ben Wah..

What ya have new is the fact that we're runnin' thin on troups..

We had the draft back then...

The current conundrum is quite new..

However, we did also let convicts serve in lieu of prison; and pretty sure we traded green cards for service, if memory serves.

[Scootermuze]

Tis true..

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Kevsh

I think you misunderstood his point (and assuming I *did* understand it), that they are loosening restrictions on enlisting because the U.S. is getting desperate to recruit more troops - it's not *who* they are letting in, just the fact that they are making it easer.

It's no secret there has been a shortfall of recruits for years and clearly they are trying new ways to get people to enlist. Loosening restrictions is just one of many tactics.

(Of course, the bad publicity over the "Stop-Less" idea doesn't help their case much)

Dude, READ THE ARTICLE. These are petty things. Hell, there are kids not getting in because of bunions, asthma, if they've been on any treatment for ADD in the last 12 months, homeschooled, etc.

Waivers must be approved by an officer who is ranked as a brigadier general or above, and recruits must have written recommendations and endorsements from community leaders showing they would be a good bet for the military.

Does that really sound like they're just letting in the scum of the earth because they're desperate or some movie came out?

The restrictions for the military have been INCREDIBLY tight for years and they are loosening them up a teeny tiny bit. It's still 100X harder to get in than it was even just 30 years ago.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Peaches

It's still 100X harder to get in than it was even just 30 years ago.

A lot easier to get out as well.

[D Ghost]

yeah they need peeps now. and soon they will be bribing kids to join by letting them drink when 18.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I think the Military should offer service for time as a standard much more so than what is happening right now.

And Immigrants of course I wouldnt mind that one bit.

Fact is the USA needs way more soldiers than present.

[nico-t]

they should make some kind of law when you run out of cannon fodder you dont select from the bottom to top but from the top to bottom. That way the president would be the first to be on the front line, a guarantee he would be ending the war within seconds

[tony286]

They will not start a draft because then people will become very aware and they dont want that. It's easy to say stay in Iraq fight forever but when its their son or daughter being shipped off because they were drafted.Then the tune will change radically they dont want that.

[cherrylula]

They will always have Americans willing to fight. They won't need a draft.

The middle class is nice and fat. Literally.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

How ironic - I thought that felons were prohibited from possessing fireams...





ADG

[theking]

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

There is a draft of sorts... under the guise of the stop-loss policy..

It wasn't just a movie..

That is not a draft of any sort...it is a contractual obligation.

[theking]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/...ilitary_felons

And when they are out of criminals who want to enlist, is the draft far behind?

During the Second World War...even with the draft they still intoduced waviers...the same during the Korean conflict and the Vietnam conflict. When the military needs warm bodies they relax requirements...there is nothing new about this.

[czarina]

I don't see what the big deal is. Those guys, convicted felons or not, have to find work somewhere, and probably being in the Army will keep them from straying again.

[Snake Doctor]

I think these are jobs that we should definitely outsource to India and China.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Again, if you actually READ the article, it sure as hell doesn't look like they are "hurting for troops". When they start offering the "jail or military" option that they did decades ago, THEN start worrying. Letting someone in because they had sex with their girlfriend when they were a teen is hardly opening up the floodgates for hard core felons to start filling the ranks.

It is because they are hurting for troops. It's not a secret that military enlistment is at an all time low.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by tony404

They will not start a draft because then people will become very aware and they dont want that. It's easy to say stay in Iraq fight forever but when its their son or daughter being shipped off because they were drafted.Then the tune will change radically they dont want that.

While in theory I agree with you, the sad fact of the matter is they american people won't have a choice. They always do what they are told, even if they disagree. They may protest, but it's not going to change anything.

If you or I had a child that was drafted, honestly what would we do about it? Personal income taxes are not fair either and outside of getting creative about our write-offs or business structure, not a damn thing we can do about it.

I'm not saying there will be a draft, I'm only commenting that if there was, we'd do nothing about it but bitch and moan.

[The Judge]

it has always been like that

[baddog]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

While in theory I agree with you, the sad fact of the matter is they american people won't have a choice. They always do what they are told, even if they disagree. They may protest, but it's not going to change anything.

If you or I had a child that was drafted, honestly what would we do about it? Personal income taxes are not fair either and outside of getting creative about our write-offs or business structure, not a damn thing we can do about it.

I'm not saying there will be a draft, I'm only commenting that if there was, we'd do nothing about it but bitch and moan.

Once again, you are clueless.

I can assure you that if there was a draft you would see change. Just look back 35 years.

[Scootermuze]

Originally Posted by theking

That is not a draft of any sort...it is a contractual obligation.

It's an involuntary extension of a contractual obligation.. Big difference..