Just Spoken to Ibill - GoFuckYourself.com

Krome · 10-07-2002, 03:45 PM

For all you foreign webmasters out there you can clean up your pants and stop sweating you do not have to incorporate in the US.

But fuck it you have to send over the $750!!

Shoplifter · 10-07-2002, 03:48 PM

Detail please.

For Christ sakes the story changes every 10 minutes.

Krome · 10-07-2002, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by Shoplifter
Detail please.

For Christ sakes the story changes every 10 minutes.

Allowing you are in a country that the IPSP has a presence, not some shit hole ex USSR bombed car park you are sweet. Other than that you are sucking satins cock...

Ask yourself this does your country have a TV channel that transmits pictures of dictators telling you not to worry America is bluffing...If your answer is yes then suck the big one...Other wise you do not have to create a US company or anything else but return a few forms and pay $750.

gothweb · 10-07-2002, 04:03 PM

This is totally unclear.

What countries does each of the billers have a presence in? This doesn't make sense.

Webby · 10-07-2002, 04:04 PM

I pissed off to an exotic offshore location that has never heard of an "IPSP" and got no problems at all! Whose VISA? *g*

jimmyf · 10-07-2002, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb
This is totally unclear.

What countries does each of the billers have a presence in? This doesn't make sense.

you are correct...

Krome · 10-07-2002, 04:06 PM

They apparently have a presence in most civilised countries, like I said... www.iraqigirlsgetnaked.com is a fucked site... It really is most...Gothweb you are cool as you and I are in the same bedroom...sorry meant country...

Shoplifter · 10-07-2002, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb
This is totally unclear.

What countries does each of the billers have a presence in? This doesn't make sense.

Ibill has pretty well everything covered except Aus and Canada.

Whether or not you still have to pay the $750 or fill out the form who knows.

Webby · 10-07-2002, 04:07 PM

Krome:

They still saying you gotta send em $700 and spread your ass to US govt/IRS?

RATBOY · 10-07-2002, 04:08 PM

I am not sure this is new. Yes the 3rd party biller has to be in the country you are licensed to do business. So either incorporate in the US or find a biller in your country. Is there something else? (of course I am in the US anyway so I am sure others are more up on this than I am.)

Krome · 10-07-2002, 04:08 PM

No Aus and Canada are cool...I think...I am pretty sure they are...The UK is sweeter than Charlie and the Chocolate Factory...

Krome · 10-07-2002, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
Krome:

They still saying you gotta send em $700 and spread your ass to US govt/IRS?

Webby you can get your pants back on and ungrease that arse of yours...no IRS or US govt...just the registration fee...

Webby · 10-07-2002, 04:10 PM

Krome:

Ah.. nice one! You answered my question - thanks!!

Stay busy in that bedroom.. sorry country! ;-)

Webby · 10-07-2002, 04:16 PM

Think this will be the same scenario with all of Europe.. the VISA "rules" are not gonna be (have not) accepted there cos the EU is fundamentally a "free trade" area. Dealing with Euro processors - I doubt the $700 will even be mentioned..

Cindyff · 10-07-2002, 04:19 PM

Forget IBILL what a waste of space those guys are.
If you read there following quote for their posting Re Master Card

# iBill must allow for consumers to make purchases from multiple iBill client sites. iBill will support a consumer portal and all clients will be required to register their sites on the portal.
# At the time of checkout, iBill must offer the consumer the ability to make additional purchases. iBill receipts will now contain a link to this portal for additional consumer purchases.

This means that we, as hard working webmasters who spend thousands of $$$ or hours getting traffic to our sites are now going to have to allow IBILL to offer other products or sites to our new members . Why because Ibill are being paid by those other sites or products to use our traffic. This was confirmed by IBILL in a call to them only a few minutes ago !!!

This is so far the worst SCAM i have ever see IBILL try to pull.

And Epoch and CCBILL havent talked about this at all, in fact Epoch who i talked to this morning havent heard of this requirement at all ??????

Webby · 10-07-2002, 04:35 PM

Shit!

Now we got a new freehost (sorry portal!) that is no longer a card processor!

On the other hand.. tis (was?) an idea. The US processors can no longer sustain their model - so tis a way of adapting and recouping the deficit.

Think if this is accurate, yea, I was right - get the hell outta US! :-)

Mr.Fiction · 10-07-2002, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Krome

Ask yourself this does your country have a TV channel that transmits pictures of dictators telling you not to worry America is bluffing...

That's funny.

quiet · 10-07-2002, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by Krome
Canada are cool...I think...I am pretty sure they are

did they mention Canada?

Shoplifter · 10-07-2002, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

did they mention Canada?

I am just filling out the forms for my Nevada LLC so I called them immediately after reading this. I was told that they are working hard to establish banking relationships in Canada and Aus and would be making a definite statement in a few days when the registration period starts.

The guy I talked to said that even if they didn't cover Canada they were going to "do it anyways".

I am still going to do the LLC, I know how tough the banks are in Canada. Canada is one of the last places where money doesn't always talk. They may have bribed some down under bruce bank manager but I am skeptical they will make timely relationships in Canada.

Shoplifter · 10-07-2002, 05:10 PM

quiet · 10-07-2002, 05:15 PM

hmm, i just got off the phone with my rep, and she simply would not confirm or deny if Canadians would need a US corp and/or office. but there would be a statement coming out on Oct 14th with more details. Oct 14th lol.

unreal.

Shoplifter · 10-07-2002, 05:24 PM

Quiet, are you going to wait until then before going LLC?

Krome · 10-07-2002, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

did they mention Canada?

In the list of continents and areas stated I was under the impressions that Canada was fine...

The Machine · 10-07-2002, 06:33 PM

establishing a corp/LLC in the US doesn't cost a lot of money. it's better to do it anyway, and if it's not needed after Oct. 14th (lol - really) - you don't have to use it or do anything with it.

Brown Bear · 10-07-2002, 07:03 PM

Why can't they just come one here and make a statement about the presence issue?

DarkWing · 10-07-2002, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by Shoplifter

... They may have bribed some down under bruce bank manager but I am skeptical they will make timely relationships in Canada.

Sorry to spoil your party mate, Bruce the Bank Manager doesn't decide who gets to be a merchant.

I have delt with banks here quite a bit and anyone who thinks they can convince a bank in Australia to do porn is a wanker. To many bloody idiots over here have scammed the banks and as such the banks wont touch online porn with a 10 foot barge pole.

About the only way to do it is pretend your doing something else, and as soon as they catch you out, your history.

So please, until Ibill confirms that they do australia like the rest of world, and actualy do australia for longer than 1 week, then I will beleive it.

Shoplifter · 10-07-2002, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkWing

Sorry to spoil your party mate, Bruce the Bank Manager doesn't decide who gets to be a merchant.

I have delt with banks here quite a bit and anyone who thinks they can convince a bank in Australia to do porn is a wanker. To many bloody idiots over here have scammed the banks and as such the banks wont touch online porn with a 10 foot barge pole.

About the only way to do it is pretend your doing something else, and as soon as they catch you out, your history.

So please, until Ibill confirms that they do australia like the rest of world, and actualy do australia for longer than 1 week, then I will beleive it.

I'm totally in agreement with you. I think Canada and Aus have a very old time conservative banking culture.

Brown Bear · 10-07-2002, 07:18 PM

They might not need a merchant bank in Australia to process for Australian webmasters.

Australia is in one of Visa's 6 regions. It is the Asia-Pacific region. They might only need a merchant bank in a country like Hong Kong, Japan, or Singapore (which are also in the same Visa region).

DarkWing · 10-07-2002, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear
They might not need a merchant bank in Australia to process for Australian webmasters.

Australia is in one of Visa's 6 regions. It is the Asia-Pacific region. They might only need a merchant bank in a country like Hong Kong, Japan, or Singapore (which are also in the same Visa region).

I checked out Hong Kong about 4 months ago. No go unless you have a proper company in Hong Kong with 50% or more owned by a local. I suspect a lot of the other asian countries are the same.

Other problem we have here is when you use an Aussie one, your stuck with processing in Aussie Dollars. Yanks seem to hate being billed in a foriegn currency, despite the rest of the world having to accept it.

The major reason the banks reject allowing USD procesing is because refunds get a hell of a lot more difficult. Currency fluxuations cause enough problems with manual refunds, let alone chargebacks, pisses VISA over here right off when that happens.

shunga · 10-08-2002, 03:51 AM

If that's the IBill policy then all their employees aren't being notified about it. I heard the same thing from someone there yesterday, but others have been told repeatedly that it isn't the case. When you have a huge decision like this to make it would be nice to have all the facts, and have them presented quickly and clearly.

CathyW · 10-08-2002, 05:59 AM

Hi everyone,

does anyone have any info on the deadline being extended? Yes I have heard that rumour all the way down under, just to add more confusion to the great debate.

Now I'm off to bend over and get taken by VISA

10-07-2002, 03:45 PM	#1
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	Just Spoken to Ibill For all you foreign webmasters out there you can clean up your pants and stop sweating you do not have to incorporate in the US. But fuck it you have to send over the $750!!

10-07-2002, 04:03 PM	#4
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	This is totally unclear. What countries does each of the billers have a presence in? This doesn't make sense. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-07-2002, 07:03 PM	#25
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10-07-2002, 07:18 PM	#28
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	They might not need a merchant bank in Australia to process for Australian webmasters. Australia is in one of Visa's 6 regions. It is the Asia-Pacific region. They might only need a merchant bank in a country like Hong Kong, Japan, or Singapore (which are also in the same Visa region). __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

10-08-2002, 03:51 AM	#30
shunga Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Loveland Posts: 994	If that's the IBill policy then all their employees aren't being notified about it. I heard the same thing from someone there yesterday, but others have been told repeatedly that it isn't the case. When you have a huge decision like this to make it would be nice to have all the facts, and have them presented quickly and clearly. __________________ Clockwork Cash - ICQ: 355-26-288 / Email: admin AT clockworkcash DOT com Asian Paysites : Exclusive Content : NATS or CCBill Thai Cuties : Shave Asians : JAVondemand

10-07-2002, 03:48 PM	#2
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726	Detail please. For Christ sakes the story changes every 10 minutes.

10-07-2002, 04:04 PM	#5
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	I pissed off to an exotic offshore location that has never heard of an "IPSP" and got no problems at all! Whose VISA? g

10-07-2002, 04:06 PM	#7
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	They apparently have a presence in most civilised countries, like I said... www.iraqigirlsgetnaked.com is a fucked site... It really is most...Gothweb you are cool as you and I are in the same bedroom...sorry meant country...

10-07-2002, 04:07 PM	#9
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Krome: They still saying you gotta send em $700 and spread your ass to US govt/IRS?

10-07-2002, 04:08 PM	#10
RATBOY Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,592	I am not sure this is new. Yes the 3rd party biller has to be in the country you are licensed to do business. So either incorporate in the US or find a biller in your country. Is there something else? (of course I am in the US anyway so I am sure others are more up on this than I am.)

10-07-2002, 04:10 PM	#13
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Krome: Ah.. nice one! You answered my question - thanks!! Stay busy in that bedroom.. sorry country! ;-)

10-07-2002, 04:16 PM	#14
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Think this will be the same scenario with all of Europe.. the VISA "rules" are not gonna be (have not) accepted there cos the EU is fundamentally a "free trade" area. Dealing with Euro processors - I doubt the $700 will even be mentioned..

10-07-2002, 04:19 PM	#15
Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	Forget IBILL what a waste of space those guys are. If you read there following quote for their posting Re Master Card # iBill must allow for consumers to make purchases from multiple iBill client sites. iBill will support a consumer portal and all clients will be required to register their sites on the portal. # At the time of checkout, iBill must offer the consumer the ability to make additional purchases. iBill receipts will now contain a link to this portal for additional consumer purchases. This means that we, as hard working webmasters who spend thousands of $$$ or hours getting traffic to our sites are now going to have to allow IBILL to offer other products or sites to our new members . Why because Ibill are being paid by those other sites or products to use our traffic. This was confirmed by IBILL in a call to them only a few minutes ago !!! This is so far the worst SCAM i have ever see IBILL try to pull. And Epoch and CCBILL havent talked about this at all, in fact Epoch who i talked to this morning havent heard of this requirement at all ??????

10-07-2002, 04:35 PM	#16
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Shit! Now we got a new freehost (sorry portal!) that is no longer a card processor! On the other hand.. tis (was?) an idea. The US processors can no longer sustain their model - so tis a way of adapting and recouping the deficit. Think if this is accurate, yea, I was right - get the hell outta US! :-)

10-07-2002, 05:10 PM	#20
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726

10-07-2002, 05:15 PM	#21
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	hmm, i just got off the phone with my rep, and she simply would not confirm or deny if Canadians would need a US corp and/or office. but there would be a statement coming out on Oct 14th with more details. Oct 14th lol. unreal.

10-07-2002, 05:24 PM	#22
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726	Quiet, are you going to wait until then before going LLC?

10-07-2002, 06:33 PM	#24
The Machine Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 859	establishing a corp/LLC in the US doesn't cost a lot of money. it's better to do it anyway, and if it's not needed after Oct. 14th (lol - really) - you don't have to use it or do anything with it.

10-08-2002, 05:59 AM	#31
CathyW Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: all over Posts: 7	Hi everyone, does anyone have any info on the deadline being extended? Yes I have heard that rumour all the way down under, just to add more confusion to the great debate. Now I'm off to bend over and get taken by VISA