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chupacabra · 10-07-2002, 02:15 PM

hey guys... ok, i know some of you have already gotten set up w/ either GloBill or Netbilling by now, and i was wondering if any can share any information about how smooth the setup was... our tenuous position is this, we are currently using ccBill for processing, and are still worried about the entire VISA approval procedure, so we wanted to go ahead and have a backup/alternative processor already set-up in case of problems.

it seems that Netbilling and GloBill are the popular alternatives here at GFY, can any describe their experiences setting up either of these as your secondary processors? any snags or caveats? are you already processing new VISA sales through a new processor, and still doing rebills through on of the "Big 3"? how do the two access systems/scripts mesh together?

also, we are wondering if we might be making a mistake by trying to go through w/ the VISA registration procedure thorugh ccBill at all... if we do try it, and are declined, will this impact our secondary processors ability to process VISA for us? we figured that there would be no issue w/ GloBill, since they claim not to disclose information to VISA anyways, but what about NetBilling? if any can input some information here, it would be appreciated... i'd like to get all of our ducks in a row early... thx all..

Darren · 10-07-2002, 02:28 PM

look go with GLOBILL.

they are the best .

thread closed.

chupacabra · 10-07-2002, 03:15 PM

hi Darren... thx for the vote of confidence for GloBill, can you give me any information about how i can use both GloBill and ccBill simultaneously? this is my main question i guess, if they can sit side my side on my server and get along together (script-wise)...

also, i am still concerned about whether we should go ahead and attempt to go through the VISA registration process w/ ccBill, we would like to retain all of those rebills as much as possible, but don't want to jeopardize our ability to process VISA w/ another processor (GloBill presumeably)... thx in advance for any insight friends..

webmite · 10-07-2002, 03:32 PM

Most of these processors can be used concurrently no problem. They just share the same htpasswd file and that causes no probs. If any of the processors need to refresh, they just overwrite the htpasswd file.

I like Globill a lot. I suggest also taking a look at ACPay (http://www.acpay.com). Although, it's a new service, they're the new service by Cybernet Ventures, which is the Adult Check company, a very reputable company. And they're not in on this $750/$350 extra fee bandwagon.

kevinl · 10-07-2002, 03:39 PM

I use Globill as secondary on some sites with CCbill as primary and Globill as primary and Globill as secondary on other sites and they seem to work well together. Neither has a problem integrating with the other.

Both are also excellent. That definitely helps.

Darren · 10-07-2002, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by chupacabra
hi Darren... thx for the vote of confidence for GloBill, can you give me any information about how i can use both GloBill and ccBill simultaneously? this is my main question i guess, if they can sit side my side on my server and get along together (script-wise)...

also, i am still concerned about whether we should go ahead and attempt to go through the VISA registration process w/ ccBill, we would like to retain all of those rebills as much as possible, but don't want to jeopardize our ability to process VISA w/ another processor (GloBill presumeably)... thx in advance for any insight friends..

signup with globill and they will set it up for u

chupacabra · 10-07-2002, 03:47 PM

thx kevinl, that is good to hear... you have never run into an issue w/ one processor or the other "rebuilding" your .htpasswd file, and wiping out all of the other processor's accounts? in the past ccBill has ocasionally done this rebuilding process to us w/out warning, and all manually-added accounts would dissapear. i've been worried that this could happen when using two processors, it has not in your experience?

also, any opinion on whether we should try the VISA registration process via ccBill? we are worried that our (piss/bondage related) content might be disallowed by VISA, and leave us blacklisted in some fashion... our main concern is to not jeopardizing our ability to process VISA cards from either processor, just want to think this through carefully before committing to any change (and the time draws near!)... thx once again, any other information or opinion would be great all..

ozzymandius · 10-07-2002, 04:05 PM

chup,

Once you pay that $750 fee, you are officially registered with Visa. The issue is not so much them not liking your site or blacklisting it for "content". If you ever pass 1% chargebacks, you can be blacklisted for LIFE from ever processing with another 3rd party processor OR with your own merchant account!! Once you are registered, they can track you by name, SSN#, URL, street address etc.

The registration thing is some ominous bullshit!

chupacabra · 10-07-2002, 04:26 PM

ozzymandius, thx very much for the reply... ok, we are not concerned about the chargeback ratio issue at all, we have never gone anywhere near a 1% ratio in the last 3 years, our only concern is the threat of content censoring that has been brought up here in the fora lately.

so, the threat of 'blacklisting' is really related to chargeback overage, and not actual content? we are niche-related... nothing illegal, but probably distasteful to those who smack bibles often, that is why we've been looking towards signing up w/ GloBill as a backup just in case. we have been planning to register through ccBill w/ VISA, and fork over the blood-money, as we do not want to lose our rebill's (many others in this same boat i believe)... we could just "Opt-Out" on the whole VISA deal, but theres so much to lose this month if we go that route. so...

...how does this attack plan sound to everybody, please let us know if it is not thought out properly..:

1. Register as merchant (through ccBill) w/ VISA

2. Bend over, eject $750 over the VISA & ccBIll (hope it smells)

3. Sign up w/ GloBill as processor, get everything set up on server (but do not start using immediately, is this part OK? ccBill seemingly would not know that i have set up w/ GloBill at this time)

4. Wait and see what happens w/ ccBill / VISA registration, continue to process through ccBill

Now, two things could happen here, and this is what we are trying to plan contingencies for...

1. Business as usual w/ ccBill, processing continues w/ VISA and all others... GloBill still sits as backup (hidden)

-or-

2. We reap the whirlwind... VISA denies our URL's due to content, ccBill either allows us to continue to process all other transactions aside from VISA, or stops processing for us altogether... regardless at this point, we shed bitter tears for lost rebills, and kick in GloBill within one hour as our primary processor... life goes on.

***************

does that sound logical to you guys? we have no experience w/ using more than one processor, but in light of recent events we are afraid to take a chance w/ just one... the only thing i can see posing a problem is whether GloBill will allow us to sign up and put them on the backburner like this, do they have minimum weekly/monthly amounts or anything of that sort? please feel free to offer some input about our modus operandi, thx all..

NETbilling · 10-07-2002, 04:42 PM

Hi chupacabra,

We have hundreds of new merchant s in the works for setup since the announcement last week. Let me clarify a few things that make us different from any of the 3rd party processors.

(1) We are not a third party processor. All of our merchants have their own merchant account, are already registered with Visa & Mastercard, and pay lower rates than 3rd parety processing.

(2) It is a common misconception that if you have your own merchant account, you must do your own customer service, scrubbing, rebilling etc...
We do it all, just as the other processors do.

(3) These new rules do not apply to us or our merchants and our merchants can use whatever processor they would like if they ever decided to leave us (not that they would). The database belongs to the merchant, not us as when you have your own merchant account, you have access to all card # and customer information.

(4) Our merchant can display the Mastercard logo, do not need to use our purchase pages (but can if they wish), and do not have to have other products offered.

(5) Our merchants control their own level of fraud scrubbing for their sites using the tools in the admin that we provide. This usually increases signup conversions 10-20% over what you get with 3rd party processing from the inut we recevie when people switch to us from other processors.

(5) Having your own merchant account and processing with a gateway such as Netbilling alolows you to save almost 50% in processing fees and receive pretty much the exact same services.

To setup with Netbilling takes one day. However, to get the merchant account it is going takes a couple of weeks... well worth the wait!

Thank you, Mitch Farber

NETbilling · 10-07-2002, 05:02 PM

I forgot to mention that with a domestic merchant account you are paid DAILY!! Over 300 payouts per year for checks and credit cards.

Mitch

Elephant_Gut · 10-07-2002, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by chupacabra
so, the threat of 'blacklisting' is really related to chargeback overage, and not actual content?

i've read that Visa can blacklist for both reasons - content OR chargebacks.

But this is my first post on this particular board so what the fuck do I know? Actually a lot, since I used to have my own merchant accounts. Hee. Hee.

chupacabra · 10-07-2002, 08:08 PM

can any tell me if my plan of attack makes sense? the whole gloBill/backburner thing while we cross fingers for ccBill/VISA? any input would be great, i'm an idiot and have read too much here at GFY to make any sense of anything at this point... thx all..!~

Dr. Kurtzweil · 10-07-2002, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by netbilling
I forgot to mention that with a domestic merchant account you are paid DAILY!! Over 300 payouts per year for checks and credit cards.

Mitch

what is the charge under on their credit card statement?
netbilling ?

MikeEP · 10-07-2002, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by netbilling
Hi chupacabra,

We have hundreds of new merchant s in the works for setup since the announcement last week. Let me clarify a few things that make us different from any of the 3rd party processors.

(1) We are not a third party processor. All of our merchants have their own merchant account, are already registered with Visa & Mastercard, and pay lower rates than 3rd parety processing.

(2) It is a common misconception that if you have your own merchant account, you must do your own customer service, scrubbing, rebilling etc...
We do it all, just as the other processors do.

(3) These new rules do not apply to us or our merchants and our merchants can use whatever processor they would like if they ever decided to leave us (not that they would). The database belongs to the merchant, not us as when you have your own merchant account, you have access to all card # and customer information.

(4) Our merchant can display the Mastercard logo, do not need to use our purchase pages (but can if they wish), and do not have to have other products offered.

(5) Our merchants control their own level of fraud scrubbing for their sites using the tools in the admin that we provide. This usually increases signup conversions 10-20% over what you get with 3rd party processing from the inut we recevie when people switch to us from other processors.

(5) Having your own merchant account and processing with a gateway such as Netbilling alolows you to save almost 50% in processing fees and receive pretty much the exact same services.

To setup with Netbilling takes one day. However, to get the merchant account it is going takes a couple of weeks... well worth the wait!

Thank you, Mitch Farber

Mitch, you have icq?

dieselaction · 10-07-2002, 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by chupacabra
denies our URL's due to content, ccBill either allows us to continue to process all other transactions aside from VISA, or stops processing for us altogether... regardless at this point, we shed bitter tears for lost rebills, and kick in GloBill within one hour as our primary processor... life goes on.

it was posted that if a visa gets transaction from a domain that is from a company in the US, and one from a foreign company, because of the new international cross-boarder rules, that might raise red flags to them on that domain

and you dont want to get blacklisted

NETbilling · 10-07-2002, 10:30 PM

Dr. Kurtzweil,

The charge on the customer's statement will have your company name.

MikeEP,

My ICQ # is 117496436.

Thank you, Mitch Farber

chupacabra · 10-07-2002, 10:44 PM

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it was posted that if a visa gets transaction from a domain that is from a company in the US, and one from a foreign company, because of the new international cross-boarder rules, that might raise red flags to them on that domain

montresor... but if i am using Globill for my newer Visa transactions (new sign-up's, not rebills) how will VISA see the URL? i thought Globill wouldn't be passing any of our information onto sources like that, no per URL data... is this inaccurate? if it is so, i don't see where the flagging would come from..

BJ · 10-07-2002, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by netbilling

The charge on the customer's statement will have your company name.

Or any DBA you choose

dieselaction · 10-07-2002, 10:53 PM

i suppose that you have to take the processors word for it, but the processors have been passing the domain/chargeback information over to visa for a year now, ask any one of them

it depends how much risk you are willing to take and how under the radar you feel is safe, isuppose

NETbilling · 10-07-2002, 10:55 PM

PureMeds,

You are correct... some even list their URL instead of the company.

Mitch

NETbilling · 10-08-2002, 12:04 AM

PureMeds,

You are correct... some even list their URL instead of the company.

Mitch

chaze · 10-08-2002, 12:07 AM

Somebody needs to invest in Globill they are going to be the biggest company on the web by the end of next month.

-I wish they had stock

dieselaction · 10-08-2002, 08:11 AM

Globill is a great company, but trying to skirt these new visa rules is going to get them in trouble. i would not have too many rebills invested in them. visa has the final say, same thing happened 3 years ago, the biggest processor tried to get around visa and boom, they were gone

erotictrance · 10-08-2002, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by Montresor
Globill is a great company, but trying to skirt these new visa rules is going to get them in trouble. i would not have too many rebills invested in them. visa has the final say, same thing happened 3 years ago, the biggest processor tried to get around visa and boom, they were gone

That's the problem --- who do you trust?

I'd feel a hellava lot better about Globill if they would explain how they expect to pull this off ... I'm more suspicious of the fact that they refuse to disclose their plan ...

Netbilling sounds good ... but, almost too good to be true. They too are claiming these rules don't apply to them. And how do you expect them to do a good job on merchant accounts if they're not charging the same fees that the big three are?

Plus, if your name is on the line with potential blacklisting ... I'm not sure I want somebody else handling that.

Which brings us to the Big 3, where the primary advantage of using them, at least in my opinion, is gone --- which is using their merchant account and avoiding blacklisting ...

On the one hand they probably have better experience managing this than anyone ... but it's makes that 15 percent look awful pricey considering the risk involved...

What a mess ...

erotictrance · 10-08-2002, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by netbilling
These new rules do not apply to us or our merchants and our merchants can use whatever processor they would like if they ever decided to leave us (not that they would). The database belongs to the merchant, not us as when you have your own merchant account, you have access to all card # and customer information.

Mitch:

This CCBill page http://64.38.213.196/ seems to directly contradict your statement:

"In addition, once a ?High Risk? merchant account is created, its owner and its operating URL?s are on VISA?s monitoring. If that same ?High Risk? account is closed there after, the account?s owner and/or its operating URL?s will no longer be afforded the future opportunity to register within the umbrella of an IPSP portfolio."

Are you saying CCBill is wrong?

And how can you say that these new rules don't apply to you?

dieselaction · 10-08-2002, 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by erotictrance

Plus, if your name is on the line with potential blacklisting ... I'm not sure I want somebody else handling that.

Which brings us to the Big 3, where the primary advantage of using them, at least in my opinion, is gone --- which is using their merchant account and avoiding blacklisting ...

you are oversimplifying it. You are still under the umbrella of ALL of their accounts. they have had to pass the visa info(domain, chargeback rate) to visa for over a year now. call them and ask them. how many accounts have you heard of had to be discontinued so far? i have heard of none. they are looking out for their interests in this as well. they dont want visa to look at them either. they are going to let you know if there is a problem, long before visa does

you are still using their merchant account, and very little changes from what it has for the past year.

ask mitch, if you get your merchant account and FOR ANY REASON, your chargebacks get too high, or you piss visa off for any reason(which is easier to do with your own account than by being lumped in with thousands of other accounts) , they will fine the bank that you got your merchant account 25K FOR EVERY VIOLATION, and the bank will pass those on to you.

and dont think that you can just leave town to avoid the fee. When you had gotten your account, you put your personal assets on the line.

mitch will tell you that they have systems in place to ensure that it does not get to that point. now ask him, if it does, is netbilling going to pay the fine for them like a third party processor will?

having your own merchant account is a good idea in some situations, but if you compare paying a $750 fee to that, with nothing else changing, its ridiculous

erotictrance · 10-08-2002, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by Montresor

you are oversimplifying it. You are still under the umbrella of ALL of their accounts. they have had to pass the visa info(domain, chargeback rate) to visa for over a year now. call them and ask them. how many accounts have you heard of had to be discontinued so far? i have heard of none. they are looking out for their interests in this as well. they dont want visa to look at them either. they are going to let you know if there is a problem, long before visa does

Believe me ... despite Mitch's statements ... I have no delusions about merchant accounts. And I'm just as suspicious of Netbilling as I am of Globill. If anything, I'm probably favoring the Big 3 at this point ...

But if your chargebacks are reported to VISA --- even under third party processing --- aren't you still in danger of being blacklisted under these new rules?

If so, one of the major advantages of using third party has disappeared, in my point of view. It still might be the best option, but not nearly as attractive as it once was.

Not because of the fees, but because of the increased blacklisting risk. That's all I'm saying.

Jizar II · 10-08-2002, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by erotictrance

But if your chargebacks are reported to VISA --- even under third party processing --- aren't you still in danger of being blacklisted under these new rules?

Yes the same danger as you would run into, when processing thru your own merchant account.

10-07-2002, 02:15 PM	#1
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	GloBill or NetBilling? Which to set-up this week for backup to ur ccBill account? hey guys... ok, i know some of you have already gotten set up w/ either GloBill or Netbilling by now, and i was wondering if any can share any information about how smooth the setup was... our tenuous position is this, we are currently using ccBill for processing, and are still worried about the entire VISA approval procedure, so we wanted to go ahead and have a backup/alternative processor already set-up in case of problems. it seems that Netbilling and GloBill are the popular alternatives here at GFY, can any describe their experiences setting up either of these as your secondary processors? any snags or caveats? are you already processing new VISA sales through a new processor, and still doing rebills through on of the "Big 3"? how do the two access systems/scripts mesh together? also, we are wondering if we might be making a mistake by trying to go through w/ the VISA registration procedure thorugh ccBill at all... if we do try it, and are declined, will this impact our secondary processors ability to process VISA for us? we figured that there would be no issue w/ GloBill, since they claim not to disclose information to VISA anyways, but what about NetBilling? if any can input some information here, it would be appreciated... i'd like to get all of our ducks in a row early... thx all..

10-07-2002, 02:28 PM	#2
Darren Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,994	look go with GLOBILL. they are the best . thread closed. __________________ Penis enlargement / male enhancement pills - earn up to $229.48 per signup ICQ: 46335817

10-07-2002, 03:39 PM	#5
kevinl Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: US Posts: 261	I use Globill as secondary on some sites with CCbill as primary and Globill as primary and Globill as secondary on other sites and they seem to work well together. Neither has a problem integrating with the other. Both are also excellent. That definitely helps. __________________ kevinl

10-07-2002, 04:42 PM	#10
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,584	Hi chupacabra, We have hundreds of new merchant s in the works for setup since the announcement last week. Let me clarify a few things that make us different from any of the 3rd party processors. (1) We are not a third party processor. All of our merchants have their own merchant account, are already registered with Visa & Mastercard, and pay lower rates than 3rd parety processing. (2) It is a common misconception that if you have your own merchant account, you must do your own customer service, scrubbing, rebilling etc... We do it all, just as the other processors do. (3) These new rules do not apply to us or our merchants and our merchants can use whatever processor they would like if they ever decided to leave us (not that they would). The database belongs to the merchant, not us as when you have your own merchant account, you have access to all card # and customer information. (4) Our merchant can display the Mastercard logo, do not need to use our purchase pages (but can if they wish), and do not have to have other products offered. (5) Our merchants control their own level of fraud scrubbing for their sites using the tools in the admin that we provide. This usually increases signup conversions 10-20% over what you get with 3rd party processing from the inut we recevie when people switch to us from other processors. (5) Having your own merchant account and processing with a gateway such as Netbilling alolows you to save almost 50% in processing fees and receive pretty much the exact same services. To setup with Netbilling takes one day. However, to get the merchant account it is going takes a couple of weeks... well worth the wait! Thank you, Mitch Farber __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998! Last edited by NETbilling; 10-07-2002 at 04:45 PM..

10-07-2002, 05:02 PM	#11
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,584	I forgot to mention that with a domestic merchant account you are paid DAILY!! Over 300 payouts per year for checks and credit cards. Mitch __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

10-07-2002, 03:15 PM	#3
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	hi Darren... thx for the vote of confidence for GloBill, can you give me any information about how i can use both GloBill and ccBill simultaneously? this is my main question i guess, if they can sit side my side on my server and get along together (script-wise)... also, i am still concerned about whether we should go ahead and attempt to go through the VISA registration process w/ ccBill, we would like to retain all of those rebills as much as possible, but don't want to jeopardize our ability to process VISA w/ another processor (GloBill presumeably)... thx in advance for any insight friends..

10-07-2002, 03:32 PM	#4
webmite Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 47	Most of these processors can be used concurrently no problem. They just share the same htpasswd file and that causes no probs. If any of the processors need to refresh, they just overwrite the htpasswd file. I like Globill a lot. I suggest also taking a look at ACPay (http://www.acpay.com). Although, it's a new service, they're the new service by Cybernet Ventures, which is the Adult Check company, a very reputable company. And they're not in on this $750/$350 extra fee bandwagon.

10-07-2002, 03:47 PM	#7
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	thx kevinl, that is good to hear... you have never run into an issue w/ one processor or the other "rebuilding" your .htpasswd file, and wiping out all of the other processor's accounts? in the past ccBill has ocasionally done this rebuilding process to us w/out warning, and all manually-added accounts would dissapear. i've been worried that this could happen when using two processors, it has not in your experience? also, any opinion on whether we should try the VISA registration process via ccBill? we are worried that our (piss/bondage related) content might be disallowed by VISA, and leave us blacklisted in some fashion... our main concern is to not jeopardizing our ability to process VISA cards from either processor, just want to think this through carefully before committing to any change (and the time draws near!)... thx once again, any other information or opinion would be great all..

10-07-2002, 04:05 PM	#8
ozzymandius Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 111	chup, Once you pay that $750 fee, you are officially registered with Visa. The issue is not so much them not liking your site or blacklisting it for "content". If you ever pass 1% chargebacks, you can be blacklisted for LIFE from ever processing with another 3rd party processor OR with your own merchant account!! Once you are registered, they can track you by name, SSN#, URL, street address etc. The registration thing is some ominous bullshit!

10-07-2002, 04:26 PM	#9
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	ozzymandius, thx very much for the reply... ok, we are not concerned about the chargeback ratio issue at all, we have never gone anywhere near a 1% ratio in the last 3 years, our only concern is the threat of content censoring that has been brought up here in the fora lately. so, the threat of 'blacklisting' is really related to chargeback overage, and not actual content? we are niche-related... nothing illegal, but probably distasteful to those who smack bibles often, that is why we've been looking towards signing up w/ GloBill as a backup just in case. we have been planning to register through ccBill w/ VISA, and fork over the blood-money, as we do not want to lose our rebill's (many others in this same boat i believe)... we could just "Opt-Out" on the whole VISA deal, but theres so much to lose this month if we go that route. so... ...how does this attack plan sound to everybody, please let us know if it is not thought out properly..: 1. Register as merchant (through ccBill) w/ VISA 2. Bend over, eject $750 over the VISA & ccBIll (hope it smells) 3. Sign up w/ GloBill as processor, get everything set up on server (but do not start using immediately, is this part OK? ccBill seemingly would not know that i have set up w/ GloBill at this time) 4. Wait and see what happens w/ ccBill / VISA registration, continue to process through ccBill Now, two things could happen here, and this is what we are trying to plan contingencies for... 1. Business as usual w/ ccBill, processing continues w/ VISA and all others... GloBill still sits as backup (hidden) -or- 2. We reap the whirlwind... VISA denies our URL's due to content, ccBill either allows us to continue to process all other transactions aside from VISA, or stops processing for us altogether... regardless at this point, we shed bitter tears for lost rebills, and kick in GloBill within one hour as our primary processor... life goes on. *************** does that sound logical to you guys? we have no experience w/ using more than one processor, but in light of recent events we are afraid to take a chance w/ just one... the only thing i can see posing a problem is whether GloBill will allow us to sign up and put them on the backburner like this, do they have minimum weekly/monthly amounts or anything of that sort? please feel free to offer some input about our modus operandi, thx all..

10-07-2002, 08:08 PM	#13
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	can any tell me if my plan of attack makes sense? the whole gloBill/backburner thing while we cross fingers for ccBill/VISA? any input would be great, i'm an idiot and have read too much here at GFY to make any sense of anything at this point... thx all..!~

10-07-2002, 10:30 PM	#17
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,584	Dr. Kurtzweil, The charge on the customer's statement will have your company name. MikeEP, My ICQ # is 117496436. Thank you, Mitch Farber __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

10-07-2002, 10:53 PM	#20
dieselaction Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 84	i suppose that you have to take the processors word for it, but the processors have been passing the domain/chargeback information over to visa for a year now, ask any one of them it depends how much risk you are willing to take and how under the radar you feel is safe, isuppose

10-07-2002, 10:55 PM	#21
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,584	PureMeds, You are correct... some even list their URL instead of the company. Mitch __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

10-08-2002, 12:04 AM	#22
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,584	PureMeds, You are correct... some even list their URL instead of the company. Mitch __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

10-08-2002, 12:07 AM	#23
chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	Somebody needs to invest in Globill they are going to be the biggest company on the web by the end of next month. -I wish they had stock

10-08-2002, 08:11 AM	#24
dieselaction Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 84	Globill is a great company, but trying to skirt these new visa rules is going to get them in trouble. i would not have too many rebills invested in them. visa has the final say, same thing happened 3 years ago, the biggest processor tried to get around visa and boom, they were gone