Why Tubes aren't causing a loss in sales - GoFuckYourself.com

Dirty F · 02-20-2008, 04:58 PM

Because tube sites have tons of random porn...its that simple.

They attract the same people who type in sex in google. Looking for general porn. Those people dont buy something quickly anyway...they just look for free porn in general.

If you have or promote a niche site then you won't notice anything negative.

I could explain it in 10 sentences but think about it, it's really that simple.

crockett · 02-20-2008, 05:00 PM

Actually I always thought those were the most common types of people to buy porn. Noobs that don't know where to find it for free..

Twig · 02-20-2008, 05:02 PM

What you say makes sense Dirty, but Im not sure that niche sites wont be affected at all. Some tube sites have a lot of niched content. Its not all titled "Blonde gives blowjob".

Dirty F · 02-20-2008, 05:03 PM

Well whats better SE traffic for sales? "sex" or "big tit lesbians".

I think people looking for sex are satisfied more easily. They find a free porn vid, save it to their puter and jerk it a couple of times. Someone looking for big tit lesbians will have a hard time finding good free content in that niche. In his search he will bump into a site dedicated exactly to that. Good chance he will sign up.

jollyperv · 02-20-2008, 05:04 PM

Honestly, you're 100% correct. The tubes can keep their vanilla porn.

IndustryTruth · 02-20-2008, 05:11 PM

Interesting perspective....

Twig · 02-20-2008, 05:12 PM

niche sites are where its at anyhow.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 05:12 PM

LOL give it time, tube sites are still new. You think the first couple tgps out there were about midgets fucking bbws ? lol.

Ofcourse they are going to start with the general porn stuff. Wait till that gets saturaited and people learn they can make more money from making a bbwtube or asiantube and being the only niche tube site vs being number 12,302 general tube site and trying to get a sliver of the pie. Sometimes being #1 of a smaller niche is better than being #1000 of the general stuff.

Give it time, there will be popular niche tube sites with illegal content on it over the next couple years.

Twig · 02-20-2008, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

LOL give it time, tube sites are still new. You think the first couple tgps out there were about midgets fucking bbws ? lol.

Ofcourse they are going to start with the general porn stuff. Wait till that gets saturaited and people learn they can make more money from making a bbwtube or asiantube and being the only niche tube site vs being number 12,302 general tube site and trying to get a sliver of the pie. Sometimes being #1 of a smaller niche is better than being #1000 of the general stuff.

Give it time, there will be popular niche tube sites with illegal content on it over the next couple years.

Hit me up... got a new project idea

:P

Dirty F · 02-20-2008, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

LOL give it time, tube sites are still new. You think the first couple tgps out there were about midgets fucking bbws ? lol.

Ofcourse they are going to start with the general porn stuff. Wait till that gets saturaited and people learn they can make more money from making a bbwtube or asiantube and being the only niche tube site vs being number 12,302 general tube site and trying to get a sliver of the pie. Sometimes being #1 of a smaller niche is better than being #1000 of the general stuff.

Give it time, there will be popular niche tube sites with illegal content on it over the next couple years.

You gave me some nice ideas. Thanks.

Dirty F · 02-20-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Twig

Hit me up... got a new project idea

:P

Haha fucker..

Seriously, that post by Will will result in a good bunch of Godaddy purchases tonight i bet.

trustedfriend · 02-20-2008, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twig

What you say makes sense Dirty, but Im not sure that niche sites wont be affected at all. Some tube sites have a lot of niched content. Its not all titled "Blonde gives blowjob".

I was thinking about that too. As they have more and more content on, especially with the longer vids on, the surfers will be able to find anything they want, for free.

2-3 mins long clips are okay on tube sites, many have said and won't hurt anyone.

Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-20-2008, 05:19 PM

you can search tube sites for your favorite niche

big tits
anal
oral
lesbians

and so on

xmas13 · 02-20-2008, 05:21 PM

I often visit one of the biggest porn tubes out there.

The clips are very short (2-3 min). Bad quality homemade porn, fat women.

You get what you pay for, which means nothing.

Dirty F · 02-20-2008, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jet

you can search tube sites for your favorite niche

big tits
anal
oral
lesbians

and so on

Yes but still its crap. Maybe that will change like Will mentioned but right now i have a hard time believing those vids will satisfy the niche surfer.

Dirty F · 02-20-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13

I often visit one of the biggest porn tubes out there.

The clips are very short (2-3 min). Bad quality homemade porn, fat women.

You get what you pay for, which means nothing.

I never visit them. If i surf around i still go to tgps or mgps. Better content on those sites than 99% of the tubesites if you ask me.

xmas13 · 02-20-2008, 05:24 PM

I don't know how many of you surf porn tubes, but you often land there because someone sent you a link to a disgusting vid :-) Ah ah :-)

halfpint · 02-20-2008, 05:26 PM

There are certian content producers that allow you to use bought content on tube sites allready

Will76 your viral disscussion actually makes sense I posted a similar thread here about the interactivity of websites
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...light=halfpint

will76 · 02-20-2008, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Haha fucker..

Seriously, that post by Will will result in a good bunch of Godaddy purchases tonight i bet.

those domains were taken several months / years ago., i know i checked

but i did land some nice buytubetraffic, tubesitebrokers etc.. type domains. It wont be much longer till people selling and brokering some of that traffic.

topamillion · 02-20-2008, 05:32 PM

i have a tube site and i know i sent tons of traffic to paysites and they surely did money thanks to me.

Twig · 02-20-2008, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Haha fucker..

Seriously, that post by Will will result in a good bunch of Godaddy purchases tonight i bet.

And maybe a TEVS purchase or two.

xmas13 · 02-20-2008, 05:37 PM

I don't think tube websites threaten content producers. There are simply too many producers in a shrinking market and a natural selection must occur. Chinese, Indians, Arabs are not replacing the European/American customers of yesterday.

Dirty F · 02-20-2008, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

those domains were taken several months / years ago., i know i checked

but i did land some nice buytubetraffic, tubesitebrokers etc.. type domains. It wont be much longer till people selling and brokering some of that traffic.

Yup, those sounds like good buys.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfpint

There are certian content producers that allow you to use bought content on tube sites allready

Will76 your viral disscussion actually makes sense I posted a similar thread here about the interactivity of websites
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...light=halfpint

I have been saying for well over a year that was the master plan by AFF and why they funded these sites. They don't own a membership site, just dating and cams. So not only they did make money off of other people's stolen content, they helped devalue their competition. The affiliates of these other sites make less money and are more likely to come give AFF a try. It was a win win for them. Maybe it wasn't their master plan, I might give them too much credit.

ucv.karl · 02-20-2008, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

Give it time, there will be popular niche tube sites with illegal content on it over the next couple years.

Years? How about months.

halfpint · 02-20-2008, 05:49 PM

good opertuinity here for content producers to sell 1-2 min vids just for tube sites I see so many other people on other forums asking to buy vids for tube sites plus they can be used for plugging your site and getting traffic.

Martin · 02-20-2008, 05:55 PM

Most tube sites have a ton of niche videos all ready.

D Ghost · 02-20-2008, 06:07 PM

Well said DirtyF

bns666 · 02-20-2008, 06:07 PM

i have tubetorrents.com, anyone wants to buy it?

Warren · 02-20-2008, 06:10 PM

Im thinking live cam sites are the only survivors out of this,

Diligent · 02-20-2008, 06:45 PM

I've been thinking along these lines myself.

AND HERE'S WHAT COULD REALLY KICK ASS, "ILLEGAL TUBE" ASS THAT IS:
(Sorry for the attention whoring, I just think it's *that good*..)

How about all webmasters wanting to try the "sponsor-fed" tubes do so, and sponsors start providing more of the content needed (30-60 second clips)... and in addition provide more ready made embeddable Flash clips..?

Sort of like.. the whole industry going at "the new thing" with full force.
If that would happen, I foresee pretty heavy competition for the illegal tubes.

Think about *that*, keeping this in mind:

Which sites will get most traffic from search engines? The *focused* sites run by REAL ADULT *WEBMASTERS*, far outnumbering their antagonists... or the generic themed tubes/forums/whatever?
Emphasis on the positive impact here of *quantities* of legal tubes/tube-like/MGP's, linktrading and possibly even traffictrading with MGP's ...
There would be very little reason/incentive for surfers, with any taste preference, to prefer less organized sites with stolen 20-minute clips, than organized ones..
The traffic they'll manage to scrape up, will be more or less useless - bookmarkers or not. PURE PIMPLED-ASS FREELOADERS!

I think we can turn this around, especially if we "fight fire with fire" here...

Zorgman · 02-20-2008, 07:56 PM

If you have a general tube site, your going to make some money.
But the real money is with niche based tube sites. Like tranny, gay or boobs. Alot of TEVS owners I know of have picked a niche and built around that.

I have tried a straight "hardcore" tube site and the signups are all way below what I was expecting. But the same design on a niche site proved to be the winner.

The most important part about any adult site is to tease the surfer. If you can jurk off to your own content, you will never make any good money because the surfer will to and you have lost the sale.
If your using sponsors content and its 60 seconds, make sure you have 2 parts of the video. Cut them into 2, so you have 2 lots of 30 second videos. Different positons are the best. The reason is because a repeative motion is enough to jurk off to, if the video moves to another position it puts the surfer off. I know I hate that. But it makes me want to watch the full video.

I have found that 60 second clips work the best.

BenKennedy · 02-20-2008, 08:06 PM

diligent thinks the right way... IMHO

crockett · 02-20-2008, 08:14 PM

I still get a kick out of every noob and his brother thinking you need "tube" in the domain. It's like when the blog craze hit. Every tool in the shed was buying every "blog" domain they could find.

Penny24Seven · 02-20-2008, 08:20 PM

so when a member emails me and asks me why he is paying for a membership when he found my videos for free and goes to cancel it has nothing to do with it?

tony286 · 02-20-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren

Im thinking live cam sites are the only survivors out of this,

then tubes lose no content to steal. if the roi goes down the toilet to shoot content .shooting will not happen.

SilentKnight · 02-20-2008, 09:30 PM

Did someone say the Tubes?

tony286 · 02-20-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Did someone say the Tubes?

what a great band, very under rated.

02-20-2008, 05:00 PM	#2
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Actually I always thought those were the most common types of people to buy porn. Noobs that don't know where to find it for free.. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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Twig Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ICQ - 703894 Posts: 1,949	What you say makes sense Dirty, but Im not sure that niche sites wont be affected at all. Some tube sites have a lot of niched content. Its not all titled "Blonde gives blowjob". __________________

02-20-2008, 05:12 PM	#7
Twig Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ICQ - 703894 Posts: 1,949	niche sites are where its at anyhow. __________________

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xmas13 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GFY Posts: 5,176	I often visit one of the biggest porn tubes out there. The clips are very short (2-3 min). Bad quality homemade porn, fat women. You get what you pay for, which means nothing. __________________ ICQ 557504926

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02-20-2008, 04:58 PM	#1
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Why Tubes aren't causing a loss in sales Because tube sites have tons of random porn...its that simple. They attract the same people who type in sex in google. Looking for general porn. Those people dont buy something quickly anyway...they just look for free porn in general. If you have or promote a niche site then you won't notice anything negative. I could explain it in 10 sentences but think about it, it's really that simple.

02-20-2008, 05:03 PM	#4
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Well whats better SE traffic for sales? "sex" or "big tit lesbians". I think people looking for sex are satisfied more easily. They find a free porn vid, save it to their puter and jerk it a couple of times. Someone looking for big tit lesbians will have a hard time finding good free content in that niche. In his search he will bump into a site dedicated exactly to that. Good chance he will sign up.

02-20-2008, 05:04 PM	#5
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	Honestly, you're 100% correct. The tubes can keep their vanilla porn.

02-20-2008, 05:11 PM	#6
IndustryTruth Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 61	Interesting perspective....

02-20-2008, 05:12 PM	#8
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	LOL give it time, tube sites are still new. You think the first couple tgps out there were about midgets fucking bbws ? lol. Ofcourse they are going to start with the general porn stuff. Wait till that gets saturaited and people learn they can make more money from making a bbwtube or asiantube and being the only niche tube site vs being number 12,302 general tube site and trying to get a sliver of the pie. Sometimes being #1 of a smaller niche is better than being #1000 of the general stuff. Give it time, there will be popular niche tube sites with illegal content on it over the next couple years.

02-20-2008, 05:19 PM	#13
Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,515	you can search tube sites for your favorite niche big tits anal oral lesbians and so on

02-20-2008, 05:26 PM	#18
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	There are certian content producers that allow you to use bought content on tube sites allready Will76 your viral disscussion actually makes sense I posted a similar thread here about the interactivity of websites http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...light=halfpint __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net

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xmas13 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GFY Posts: 5,176	I don't think tube websites threaten content producers. There are simply too many producers in a shrinking market and a natural selection must occur. Chinese, Indians, Arabs are not replacing the European/American customers of yesterday. __________________ ICQ 557504926

02-20-2008, 05:49 PM	#26
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	good opertuinity here for content producers to sell 1-2 min vids just for tube sites I see so many other people on other forums asking to buy vids for tube sites plus they can be used for plugging your site and getting traffic. __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net

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Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	Most tube sites have a ton of niche videos all ready. __________________

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Diligent Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hoy Suecia, mañana Nirvana Posts: 1,594	I've been thinking along these lines myself. AND HERE'S WHAT COULD REALLY KICK ASS, "ILLEGAL TUBE" ASS THAT IS: (Sorry for the attention whoring, I just think it's that good..) How about all webmasters wanting to try the "sponsor-fed" tubes do so, and sponsors start providing more of the content needed (30-60 second clips)... and in addition provide more ready made embeddable Flash clips..? Sort of like.. the whole industry going at "the new thing" with full force. If that would happen, I foresee pretty heavy competition for the illegal tubes. Think about that, keeping this in mind: Which sites will get most traffic from search engines? The focused sites run by REAL ADULT WEBMASTERS, far outnumbering their antagonists... or the generic themed tubes/forums/whatever? Emphasis on the positive impact here of quantities of legal tubes/tube-like/MGP's, linktrading and possibly even traffictrading with MGP's ... There would be very little reason/incentive for surfers, with any taste preference, to prefer less organized sites with stolen 20-minute clips, than organized ones.. The traffic they'll manage to scrape up, will be more or less useless - bookmarkers or not. PURE PIMPLED-ASS FREELOADERS! I think we can turn this around, especially if we "fight fire with fire" here... __________________ ~¤~ MORE MONEY ~¤~ VOD? XoD! ~¤~ ~¤~ ICQ# 9828 2461 ~¤~

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Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	If you have a general tube site, your going to make some money. But the real money is with niche based tube sites. Like tranny, gay or boobs. Alot of TEVS owners I know of have picked a niche and built around that. I have tried a straight "hardcore" tube site and the signups are all way below what I was expecting. But the same design on a niche site proved to be the winner. The most important part about any adult site is to tease the surfer. If you can jurk off to your own content, you will never make any good money because the surfer will to and you have lost the sale. If your using sponsors content and its 60 seconds, make sure you have 2 parts of the video. Cut them into 2, so you have 2 lots of 30 second videos. Different positons are the best. The reason is because a repeative motion is enough to jurk off to, if the video moves to another position it puts the surfer off. I know I hate that. But it makes me want to watch the full video. I have found that 60 second clips work the best. __________________ ---

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