RedTube No Longer an Affiliate of TwistysCash - GoFuckYourself.com

Shap · 02-17-2008, 08:41 PM

I'm going to do my best to keep this post short. ;)

Our policy as a company is that we will accept any affiliate who is willing to run an honest business and abide by our rules for sending signups to TwistysCash. This goes for TGPs, Blogs, Review Sites, Pay Sites AND Tube Sites.

Regarding RedTube: When we agreed to accept RedTube as an affiliate, he indicated he would follow our rules and WAS in the process of working towards becoming a legitimate site. We took his word for it and decided to give him a shot. Then on Friday, in a separate post, it was pointed out to me that Red Tube was breaking some of our rules. I checked it out and it was true - strike one. I contacted RedTube right away and had our Twistys content removed. He was very quick to fix the issues I brought up and asked to re-activate his affiliate links. I told him to wait.

I spent some time going through RedTube page by page, link by link. I was looking for ANY indication that he was sticking to his earlier promise - ANY attempt to evolve the site towards a cleaner more honest Tube site. But I found nothing. His videos are still 25 minutes long and they still give no credit to the copyright/site holder. Strikes two and three.

As of Friday afternoon, he has not sent us any traffic. We have decided we will NOT accept any more RedTube traffic until we are convinced he is taking the steps necessary to become a legitimate Tube site. Right now I see no signs of that so he is currently not an active TwistysCash affiliate. He is no longer permitted to use our videos and is not being paid for signups. However, as I mentioned at the beginning of this post, if he DOES take positive steps and demonstrates he is cleaning up his site, we will commence doing business with him again pending another review of RedTube.

xclusive · 02-17-2008, 08:44 PM

Thank you for not funding content theft.

IamShaider · 02-17-2008, 08:46 PM

nice

ProjectNaked · 02-17-2008, 08:46 PM

good move man

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-17-2008, 08:47 PM

I'm with ya Shap

Dispite ya not liking me much thats irrelevant you do good business

Cheer's to another 12 pager!

Daruma · 02-17-2008, 08:49 PM

now if only the other advertisers there (and other tube sites) would take some action in the same direction..

papill0n · 02-17-2008, 08:49 PM

An EXCELLENT decision Shap. I associate the Twistys name with high quality porn and honest hard work. I know it must be a fucking nightmare dealing with content theft so hopefully RYC is able to help you with that and Twistys can continue to be the excellent program we all know it to be.

media · 02-17-2008, 08:52 PM

Interesting turn of events...

Penny24Seven · 02-17-2008, 09:01 PM

Have you not looked at that site before you approved the account?

will76 · 02-17-2008, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hookers and School Girls

Have you not looked at that site before you approved the account?

lol i guess you missed the other threads.

Kevsh · 02-17-2008, 09:03 PM

Okay, good call. But seriously, what made you think a guy who peddles stolen content would be trustworthy in the first place?

And of course, a devil's advocate might suggest:

A) The real reason you took the moral high ground was because he wasn't sending you any traffic anyway.

B) The people spoke and the bad publicity and feedback was the real reason.

notoldschool · 02-17-2008, 09:04 PM

now all your shits still gonna be on there without you making any money from it. LOL

L-Pink · 02-17-2008, 09:05 PM

You deserve better than they will ever offer.

NosMo · 02-17-2008, 09:06 PM

Nice move.

NosMo

MandyBlake · 02-17-2008, 09:07 PM

rock on!!!

TampaToker · 02-17-2008, 09:08 PM

Shap as a anti illegal tube guy im happy to see you pulled there account for wha t ever reason it was. On a side not when you get a moment could you hit me up on icq please 247-742-205 thanks

Darkhorse · 02-17-2008, 09:13 PM

Well done mate....

Zorgman · 02-17-2008, 09:13 PM

1. Thief steal content from sponsor
2. Sponsor asked theif to remove content
3. Thief contacts sponsor to make a deal
4. Sponsor agrees with specific rules
5. Thief agrees to the rules
6. Thief then brakes the rules
7. Sponsor finds out and drops thief.
8. Community happy!

Media, your right, Awesome turn of events.

clicker · 02-17-2008, 09:38 PM

If a site becomes popular because of stolen videos, why offer them a chance to clean up there act in the first place?? It is only a short term poor business decision imho. It just faciliates the root of the problem and will cause a long drawn out cluster fuck of more thieves and more free porn.

sicone · 02-17-2008, 09:40 PM

Good Move

A.J. Angel · 02-17-2008, 09:57 PM

Neat move!

»Rob Content« · 02-17-2008, 10:04 PM

Nice one, great talking with you a few times brother.

You're welcome as well ;)

»Rob Content« · 02-17-2008, 10:06 PM

Nice one, great talking with you a few times brother.

You're welcome as well ;)

Brujah · 02-17-2008, 10:07 PM

Nice gesture.

It's just too bad that it really won't matter much except a loss in branding to you and whatever sales you were getting from them. You still deal with Brazzers I assume as a cross sell, which gives them a lot of sales to fund more and more Tube sites with that inevitably brand them instead.

I don't expect you to change that either. I mention it to illustrate that it's a difficult decision that AFF/Brazzers/etc.. put you guys in when they're less selective and run entirely different business models from a revenue stream standpoint than you.

We can safely assume a few things; your videos will continue to show up on these sites, they will continue to be funded by the usual cast of sponsors which enable them to exist in the first place, and that sites like yours will continue to make more money to the ones funding them. A to B to C.

»Rob Content« · 02-17-2008, 10:08 PM

Nice one, great talking with you a few times brother.

You're welcome as well ;)

Brujah · 02-17-2008, 10:09 PM

Double post.

»Rob Content« · 02-17-2008, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah

Double post.

I beat you with a triple

teksonline · 02-17-2008, 10:19 PM

Welcome back to the strong side, I was afraid you forgot who along with your hard work and point to quality made you famous. I like you again now.

Trust me the affiliate industry is going nowhere

Spunky · 02-17-2008, 10:22 PM

Good desicion.they have to start playing by the rules

The Judge · 02-17-2008, 10:41 PM

legitimate tube site = dead site

but he does have Brazzers ads on every page

xxxjay · 02-18-2008, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Judge

legitimate tube site = dead site

but he does have Brazzers ads on every page

Here is a legit tube site:
www.snizzshare.com

People need to stop fucking with redtube and take their funding away so they will be crushed by their bandwidth bill.

Oh yeah, my traffic is free, the clips are short, and I offer a ton of other bonuses to those who whose to walk on the legal side.

djroof · 02-18-2008, 12:03 AM

Thanks for the info

Zorgman · 02-18-2008, 12:04 AM

Jay, Im glad to see your site is doing so well. More sponsors should hit Jay up and get your stuff together.

Good to see so many good sponsors willing to sponsor the legit tube sites.

Iron Fist · 02-18-2008, 12:06 AM

Interesting

Violetta · 02-18-2008, 12:21 AM

nice to hear!

HouseHead · 02-18-2008, 12:28 AM

that is insane how much full length shit is on there.. id like to see some porn membership conversion ratios...

V_RocKs · 02-18-2008, 02:16 AM

You tried and it looks like RedTube just hanged himself and set a precedent for others when it comes to trusting tube sites.

VeriSexy · 02-18-2008, 03:06 AM

Nice move on your part

donnylong · 02-18-2008, 03:14 AM

good job too bad everyone does not do the same. Ban those pricks. They are destroying our business

xxxjay · 02-18-2008, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Insane Matt

that is insane how much full length shit is on there.. id like to see some porn membership conversion ratios...

We had pornotube sending us traffic (we didn't even ask for it, they just did it) and it was like 0:60000 when we asked them to take the links off. Pornotube is a lot more legit than redtube too.

kane · 02-18-2008, 03:36 AM

This thread is one of the reasons I think most of these big tube sites will eventually fail and either go out of business or they will have to change how the site works and start using small clips. They have limited advertising options on them already because it is hard to sell memberships to porn sites when you give away hours of free porn movies every day. Eventually you have to assume these dating and cam sites will starts to stagnate. If people refuse to take their traffic, or their traffic is so crappy it doesn't convert how long can they maintain their current status without losing money?

Martin · 02-18-2008, 05:46 AM

I wish we could come together as a community to clean this business up. GFY has shown the power many times to make big changes happen. We could easily get things back on track and start seeing the paysite ratios return to normal again. We have given the surfer no reason to join paysites thus the reason why illegal Tube sites are so popular and why ratios are at best these days 1-3000.

xxxjay · 02-18-2008, 06:27 AM

The best way to deal with the tube sites is to cut all their sources of funding and let them hang themselves with their own bandwidth bill.

The VP of on of the major sponsors tells me that everytime they put out a message on the boards regarding a prepay, it is the tube sites that are the first ones to come running.

Not that this will ever happen, but if the entire industry makes a policy out of not dealing with them, we can win.

It just might be a bit of a mexican standoff!

shunga · 02-18-2008, 07:33 AM

Good move, Shap. If the bad tubes are to become legit there has to be leverage there to make them, and with people like www.removeyourcontent.com on your team you're adding to that leverage.

pornguy · 02-18-2008, 07:35 AM

Great work Shap, and thanks for stepping up the the plate..

xmas13 · 02-18-2008, 07:45 AM

Thumbs up.

Luscious Media · 02-18-2008, 07:48 AM

Good news. Too bad Brazzers doesn't have the same ethics.

Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-18-2008, 07:48 AM

People you are unbelievable

- Shap got in bed with the thieves
- GFY caught on to this and gave him shit
- Under gfy pressure Shap backs off from the RedTube deal
- GFY gives him props, saying what a stand up guy he is.

Wake up you sheep!

CyberHustler · 02-18-2008, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shunga

Good move, Shap. If the bad tubes are to become legit there has to be leverage there to make them, and with people like www.removeyourcontent.com on your team you're adding to that leverage.

Are juggcash and brazbucks really your clients?

Shaze · 02-18-2008, 08:22 AM

if only all the other content owners would do the same so these type of tube sites will die off

02-17-2008, 08:41 PM	#1
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	RedTube No Longer an Affiliate of TwistysCash I'm going to do my best to keep this post short. ;) Our policy as a company is that we will accept any affiliate who is willing to run an honest business and abide by our rules for sending signups to TwistysCash. This goes for TGPs, Blogs, Review Sites, Pay Sites AND Tube Sites. Regarding RedTube: When we agreed to accept RedTube as an affiliate, he indicated he would follow our rules and WAS in the process of working towards becoming a legitimate site. We took his word for it and decided to give him a shot. Then on Friday, in a separate post, it was pointed out to me that Red Tube was breaking some of our rules. I checked it out and it was true - strike one. I contacted RedTube right away and had our Twistys content removed. He was very quick to fix the issues I brought up and asked to re-activate his affiliate links. I told him to wait. I spent some time going through RedTube page by page, link by link. I was looking for ANY indication that he was sticking to his earlier promise - ANY attempt to evolve the site towards a cleaner more honest Tube site. But I found nothing. His videos are still 25 minutes long and they still give no credit to the copyright/site holder. Strikes two and three. As of Friday afternoon, he has not sent us any traffic. We have decided we will NOT accept any more RedTube traffic until we are convinced he is taking the steps necessary to become a legitimate Tube site. Right now I see no signs of that so he is currently not an active TwistysCash affiliate. He is no longer permitted to use our videos and is not being paid for signups. However, as I mentioned at the beginning of this post, if he DOES take positive steps and demonstrates he is cleaning up his site, we will commence doing business with him again pending another review of RedTube.

02-17-2008, 08:44 PM	#2
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Daruma Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: PandaLand™ Posts: 3,494	now if only the other advertisers there (and other tube sites) would take some action in the same direction.. __________________ RIP TD

02-17-2008, 08:46 PM	#4
ProjectNaked Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroit Areola Posts: 4,309	good move man

02-17-2008, 08:49 PM	#7
papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	An EXCELLENT decision Shap. I associate the Twistys name with high quality porn and honest hard work. I know it must be a fucking nightmare dealing with content theft so hopefully RYC is able to help you with that and Twistys can continue to be the excellent program we all know it to be.

02-17-2008, 08:52 PM	#8
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02-17-2008, 09:01 PM	#9
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02-17-2008, 09:03 PM	#11
Kevsh Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: TO Posts: 8,619	Okay, good call. But seriously, what made you think a guy who peddles stolen content would be trustworthy in the first place? And of course, a devil's advocate might suggest: A) The real reason you took the moral high ground was because he wasn't sending you any traffic anyway. B) The people spoke and the bad publicity and feedback was the real reason.

02-17-2008, 09:04 PM	#12
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02-17-2008, 09:08 PM	#16
TampaToker Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,827	Shap as a anti illegal tube guy im happy to see you pulled there account for wha t ever reason it was. On a side not when you get a moment could you hit me up on icq please 247-742-205 thanks __________________ Icq 247-742-205

02-17-2008, 09:13 PM	#17
Darkhorse Horsing Around Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: AU Posts: 5,862	Well done mate....

02-17-2008, 09:13 PM	#18
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	1. Thief steal content from sponsor 2. Sponsor asked theif to remove content 3. Thief contacts sponsor to make a deal 4. Sponsor agrees with specific rules 5. Thief agrees to the rules 6. Thief then brakes the rules 7. Sponsor finds out and drops thief. 8. Community happy! Media, your right, Awesome turn of events. __________________ ---

02-17-2008, 09:38 PM	#19
clicker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Virtual Posts: 1,113	If a site becomes popular because of stolen videos, why offer them a chance to clean up there act in the first place?? It is only a short term poor business decision imho. It just faciliates the root of the problem and will cause a long drawn out cluster fuck of more thieves and more free porn.

02-17-2008, 09:40 PM	#20
sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	Good Move __________________

02-17-2008, 09:57 PM	#21
A.J. Angel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 859	Neat move!

02-17-2008, 10:04 PM	#22
»Rob Content« Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,348	Nice one, great talking with you a few times brother. You're welcome as well ;) __________________ 80% Revshare or 30$ PPS on $1 trials: 200 Niches = Vidz.com Galleries / FLVs / Embeds 3 & 5mins FLVs \| RSS & Tube Feeds \| Matching Thumbs \| FLV Browser & Exporter \| No Prechecked Xsales >> Mobile Redirection Script: mobile.vidz.com also paying 80% net Lifetime << ICQ: 198-394-557 ICQ - 436 795 438 E-mail rob /@/ cool-content dotcom

02-17-2008, 10:06 PM	#23
»Rob Content« Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,348	Nice one, great talking with you a few times brother. You're welcome as well ;) __________________ 80% Revshare or 30$ PPS on $1 trials: 200 Niches = Vidz.com Galleries / FLVs / Embeds 3 & 5mins FLVs \| RSS & Tube Feeds \| Matching Thumbs \| FLV Browser & Exporter \| No Prechecked Xsales >> Mobile Redirection Script: mobile.vidz.com also paying 80% net Lifetime << ICQ: 198-394-557 ICQ - 436 795 438 E-mail rob /@/ cool-content dotcom

02-17-2008, 10:07 PM	#24
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Nice gesture. It's just too bad that it really won't matter much except a loss in branding to you and whatever sales you were getting from them. You still deal with Brazzers I assume as a cross sell, which gives them a lot of sales to fund more and more Tube sites with that inevitably brand them instead. I don't expect you to change that either. I mention it to illustrate that it's a difficult decision that AFF/Brazzers/etc.. put you guys in when they're less selective and run entirely different business models from a revenue stream standpoint than you. We can safely assume a few things; your videos will continue to show up on these sites, they will continue to be funded by the usual cast of sponsors which enable them to exist in the first place, and that sites like yours will continue to make more money to the ones funding them. A to B to C. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

02-17-2008, 10:08 PM	#25
»Rob Content« Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,348	Nice one, great talking with you a few times brother. You're welcome as well ;) __________________ 80% Revshare or 30$ PPS on $1 trials: 200 Niches = Vidz.com Galleries / FLVs / Embeds 3 & 5mins FLVs \| RSS & Tube Feeds \| Matching Thumbs \| FLV Browser & Exporter \| No Prechecked Xsales >> Mobile Redirection Script: mobile.vidz.com also paying 80% net Lifetime << ICQ: 198-394-557 ICQ - 436 795 438 E-mail rob /@/ cool-content dotcom

02-17-2008, 10:09 PM	#26
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02-17-2008, 10:19 PM	#28
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	Welcome back to the strong side, I was afraid you forgot who along with your hard work and point to quality made you famous. I like you again now. Trust me the affiliate industry is going nowhere

02-17-2008, 10:22 PM	#29
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,928	Good desicion.they have to start playing by the rules __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

02-17-2008, 10:41 PM	#30
The Judge Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,647	legitimate tube site = dead site but he does have Brazzers ads on every page __________________

02-18-2008, 12:03 AM	#32
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02-18-2008, 12:04 AM	#33
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	Jay, Im glad to see your site is doing so well. More sponsors should hit Jay up and get your stuff together. Good to see so many good sponsors willing to sponsor the legit tube sites. __________________ ---

02-18-2008, 12:06 AM	#34
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02-18-2008, 12:21 AM	#35
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02-18-2008, 12:28 AM	#36
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