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gothweb · 10-02-2002, 04:44 PM

So, we have all sorts of reactions on how people *feel* about this. My question is, how do you think these new regulations will actually affect your business?

SpeakEasy · 10-02-2002, 04:51 PM

Bro, by all of your posts today on this subject, it seems this little fee that is being impossed is killing you? If things are on that tight of a rope for you, then maybe it is time for you to rethink your business model, or even just give it up??...I'm not starting any crap with you, it's just that you keep making refference to how this is hurting you so bad?

gothweb · 10-02-2002, 04:55 PM

Don't assume that my indignation is all about me. I am going to make it through this just fine. I voted for inconvenience. I am complaining because it is the abuse of an ologarchy, and I don't think our billers did enough to cover our asses from this. Personally, it will suck a lot but that's it.

BJ · 10-02-2002, 04:57 PM

no effect, Ive gotten out of porn.

Goonx · 10-02-2002, 04:59 PM

We use CCBILL all the way, but since we are located in Canada, it will take some time for us to get back to normal...

So in the meantime, we already have an approved account with a different, Canadian, billing company, and are ready to recieve payments ...

Even a backup affiliate program for HornyDollar is already online and ready to recieve traffic... only a few more modifications needed ...

CCBILL will become our secondary processing company untill this thing passes over, than, hopefuly, its back to normal ...

BRING IT ON VISA!

Sjayne · 10-02-2002, 05:03 PM

Is there a fuck me, I'm confused button?

gothweb · 10-02-2002, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sjayne
Is there a fuck me, I'm confused button?

Have to go with your best guess or gut instinct, I guess.

gothweb · 10-02-2002, 05:26 PM

So far, looks like a third of the people voting are in serious trouble...

So, why are so many people saying "No big deal, this is good for the industry" again?

Sly_RJ · 10-02-2002, 05:31 PM

I think we all need to quit our whining and get back to work.

Marcus · 10-02-2002, 05:32 PM

Isn't the $750 a tax deduction anyways? It's a cost of doing business.

[H] · 10-02-2002, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marcus
Isn't the $750 a tax deduction anyways? It's a cost of doing business.

hardly the point.

jimmyf · 10-02-2002, 05:36 PM

I really do not think this is ALL about Visa recouping lost funds. KimmyKim could answer this am sure... after all
doesn't a pay site get charged over and above the charge back (a fee or fine).... Visa has something else up there
sleeve... And fraud in the porn Biz is not Visa biggest problem.... The little bit I do know..is A LOT more fraud going on in other area's and for a lot more money... Shit they my be Beta testing this new system on the Porn Biz.. who in the hell knows.... But I do believe there is a lot more to this than just the Porn business.. I could be WHY wrong....

gothweb · 10-02-2002, 05:37 PM

Even if it was just a tax-deductable expense, a $750 (or more) expense at one month's notice, just to keep doing business at all is pretty tough. To say nothing of people who are in countries where no amount of money will help them with this.

Sly_RJ · 10-02-2002, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
Even if it was just a tax-deductable expense, a $750 (or more) expense at one month's notice, just to keep doing business at all is pretty tough. To say nothing of people who are in countries where no amount of money will help them with this.

The one month notice was pretty shitty.

gothweb · 10-02-2002, 05:56 PM

That's what I was saying. There isn't a lot about this that isn't shitty, in one way or another, for a lot of us.

gothweb · 10-02-2002, 06:16 PM

Ineresting spread. "No effect" is 25%, bad effect is 25%, annoyance is 50%. Has been that way for a while.

kevinl · 10-03-2002, 03:31 AM

When the mob tells you to give them $750.00 if you want to stay in business it is called extortion and is illegal.

When VISA tells you to give them $750.00 to stay in business it is called ....

BJ · 10-03-2002, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kevinl
it is called ....

Hamburgers for everyone!!!!

mrthumbs · 10-03-2002, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
So far, looks like a third of the people voting are in serious trouble...

So, why are so many people saying "No big deal, this is good for the industry" again?

Well... the answer is in your question.
Because it wipes out 1/3 of competition.. weak competition:

survival of the fittest!

As for you: although you always have been a crybaby
i dont dunderstand why this is such a big issue for you.

You have a great niche with great content and this
situation could be fatal for you?!
You've been doing something wrong for a long time..or so it seems.

C'mon man.. stop wasting your energy, take another
prozac and stop crying. Im sure that if ONE 'small' paysite owner
has the potential to survive it's you. No reason to bitch.
Just start working and please, stay away from trains and bridges.

Jon · 10-03-2002, 04:04 AM

yah time for a new subject of the day like...

which bomb would make the largest crater in Iraq?

gothweb · 10-03-2002, 05:30 AM

Everyone is assuming that because I am upset about this, I personally must be doomed. Did you see the post in this thread where I said "I voted annoyance", MrThumbs? I am fine. I just hate to see any new factor in the business that favors the big shitty corporate sites over the small, independent, creative ones. In the long run, it will be bad for the industry and the viewers. No more new or small true amateur sites! No innovation from new people!

insidethegame · 10-03-2002, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
So far, looks like a third of the people voting are in serious trouble...

So, why are so many people saying "No big deal, this is good for the industry" again?

Because HALF you little fuckers shouldn?t be in the paysite Biz ANYWAY...ANYTHING..that raises the bar for nonprofessional point of entry into an already saturated Business...anything that moves this biz away from mom and popism and toward consolidation and stabilization is a good thing...its a natural progression in any biz and it will continue...ie who can remember the 200 car manufacturers that competed against Ford in 1905...anything that separates the wheat from the chaff is always healthy.

gothweb · 10-03-2002, 07:16 AM

This kind of shit makes me sad. Should a writer not be a writer because he can't afford not to work, and make a full time go at it? I bet there are a lot of amazing authors, poets, and artists out there who would disagree.

This is a business, but that isn't all there is to it. It is a creative endeavor-- or fucking should be. I am one of the people who will survive... but I am saddened to think how many excellent sites will be put out of business by this, and how many creative new people will never get started.

If you think this is all about money, business, and the bottom line, and don't care about creativity, then you can Suck My Nuts. That goes for anyone on this board. I hope there are a few people out there who aren't blinded by dollar signs.

jas1552 · 10-03-2002, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
This kind of shit makes me sad. Should a writer not be a writer because he can't afford not to work, and make a full time go at it? I bet there are a lot of amazing authors, poets, and artists out there who would disagree.

This is a business, but that isn't all there is to it. It is a creative endeavor-- or fucking should be. I am one of the people who will survive... but I am saddened to think how many excellent sites will be put out of business by this, and how many creative new people will never get started.

If you think this is all about money, business, and the bottom line, and don't care about creativity, then you can Suck My Nuts. That goes for anyone on this board. I hope there are a few people out there who aren't blinded by dollar signs.

Dude, this isn't art or poetry. It's porn. I agree that the new regs are fucked up but acting like this biz is somehow important for anything other than spanking it for the surfer and making money for the webmaster is kinda ridiculous. My

mrthumbs · 10-03-2002, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb

This kind of shit makes me sad. Should a writer not be a writer because he can't afford not to work, and make a full time go at it? I bet there are a lot of amazing authors, poets, and artists out there who would disagree.

If you think this is all about money, business, and the bottom line, and don't care about creativity, then you can Suck My Nuts. That goes for anyone on this board. I hope there are a few people out there who aren't blinded by dollar signs.

Writers? Poets?

Man.. too much Harry Potter i guess..

Wake up and smell the coffee:
This IS about $$.. this is BUSINESS.

People that want to unleash their creativity should
start a non-profit nude site and never refer to money.
There's a name for that type of individual: ARTIST.

They hope, after years and years of struggling
to be 'recognized'. 99% of them die before that happens.

And there's a big difference between an artist and an
'adult webmaster'. Really.

Trust me.. the 'creativity' we will miss does not compare
to the enormous amount of shit we will 'miss' in the near future.

jas1552 · 10-03-2002, 07:48 AM

This doesn't affect me at all but i'm wondering if webmasters from other countries aren't able to get everything done in time but are a little late does that mean all their rebills are gone when they do get their shit set up?

kÿ®ëë · 10-03-2002, 07:57 AM

I believe this is one of the best things to ever happen on the internet...'cept for cable access LOL...it's about time people were held accountable for their actios...it's time shitty webmasters were gone...if you cannot get the 750.00 needed to play the game then maybe you shouldn't be playing...like some has already said...maybe time to reconsider your career choices....everyday I hear horror stories about people getting burned by shithead webmasters with shitty content...maybe it's time to quit crying and start designing...I am sure the time spent bitching here could prove alot more productive spent on ANYTHING ELSE

Kyree

smashface · 10-03-2002, 08:00 AM

Someone on this board mentioned that checking accounts are treated differently.

Maybe someone can talk to Visa/MC about the way they would handle the transaction if a debit/ATM card is used to pay for the transaction.

BVF · 10-03-2002, 08:17 AM

I'm exhausted of this subject. I woke up this morning and within 10 seconds, I was thinking about it.

I've made my decision. I like having the freedom to move to any country I that I wish. The whole reason for me doing this is to be able to eventually live in the caribbean or in africa. When and if the embargo on Cuba ends, I'm DEFINITELY getting a place in havana.

Losing my visa rebills will hurt....they will hurt A LOT...and I just took off the trials and the sales are still good. But in the long run it will benefit me.

I don't have thousands of customers to lose like others so I'll be able to recover within in 2-3 months. I have a whole month to warn my customers about the change and hopefully they'll switch over. I'll just have to cut my weed expenses from 100 to 50 a week for awhile, buy some more traffic, and hope for the best.

Thank God for Clickmemedia, Freeezinebucks, and Sexkey. Y'all are going to be paying my rent and buying my groceries for the next few months.

gothweb · 10-06-2002, 01:26 PM

You know.. if we all start making our money through AVSs, then Visa will just target them, too.

View Poll Results: How do the new VISA regulations affect YOU?
This won't affect me at all, I don't have a biller account.	18	19.78%
This will hardly affect me, the regulations and $750 don't matter.	14	15.38%
This will be an annoyance but I will get by.	43	47.25%
This will be very hard on my business.	9	9.89%
This will put me out of business.	7	7.69%
Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

10-02-2002, 04:44 PM	#1
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	VISA Regulations and You So, we have all sorts of reactions on how people feel about this. My question is, how do you think these new regulations will actually affect your business? __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-02-2002, 04:51 PM	#2
SpeakEasy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Internet Posts: 2,681	Bro, by all of your posts today on this subject, it seems this little fee that is being impossed is killing you? If things are on that tight of a rope for you, then maybe it is time for you to rethink your business model, or even just give it up??...I'm not starting any crap with you, it's just that you keep making refference to how this is hurting you so bad? Last edited by SpeakEasy; 10-02-2002 at 04:52 PM..

10-02-2002, 04:55 PM	#3
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Don't assume that my indignation is all about me. I am going to make it through this just fine. I voted for inconvenience. I am complaining because it is the abuse of an ologarchy, and I don't think our billers did enough to cover our asses from this. Personally, it will suck a lot but that's it. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

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BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	no effect, Ive gotten out of porn.

10-02-2002, 04:59 PM	#5
Goonx Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,048	We use CCBILL all the way, but since we are located in Canada, it will take some time for us to get back to normal... So in the meantime, we already have an approved account with a different, Canadian, billing company, and are ready to recieve payments ... Even a backup affiliate program for HornyDollar is already online and ready to recieve traffic... only a few more modifications needed ... CCBILL will become our secondary processing company untill this thing passes over, than, hopefuly, its back to normal ... BRING IT ON VISA!

10-02-2002, 05:26 PM	#8
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	So far, looks like a third of the people voting are in serious trouble... So, why are so many people saying "No big deal, this is good for the industry" again? __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-02-2002, 05:31 PM	#9
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	I think we all need to quit our whining and get back to work.

10-02-2002, 05:32 PM	#10
Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	Isn't the $750 a tax deduction anyways? It's a cost of doing business.

10-02-2002, 05:36 PM	#12
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	I really do not think this is ALL about Visa recouping lost funds. KimmyKim could answer this am sure... after all doesn't a pay site get charged over and above the charge back (a fee or fine).... Visa has something else up there sleeve... And fraud in the porn Biz is not Visa biggest problem.... The little bit I do know..is A LOT more fraud going on in other area's and for a lot more money... Shit they my be Beta testing this new system on the Porn Biz.. who in the hell knows.... But I do believe there is a lot more to this than just the Porn business.. I could be WHY wrong.... __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

10-02-2002, 05:37 PM	#13
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Even if it was just a tax-deductable expense, a $750 (or more) expense at one month's notice, just to keep doing business at all is pretty tough. To say nothing of people who are in countries where no amount of money will help them with this. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-02-2002, 05:56 PM	#15
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	That's what I was saying. There isn't a lot about this that isn't shitty, in one way or another, for a lot of us. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-02-2002, 06:16 PM	#16
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Ineresting spread. "No effect" is 25%, bad effect is 25%, annoyance is 50%. Has been that way for a while. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-03-2002, 03:31 AM	#17
kevinl Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: US Posts: 261	When the mob tells you to give them $750.00 if you want to stay in business it is called extortion and is illegal. When VISA tells you to give them $750.00 to stay in business it is called .... __________________ kevinl

10-03-2002, 04:04 AM	#20
Jon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 2,578	yah time for a new subject of the day like... which bomb would make the largest crater in Iraq? __________________ WickedFire.com - Stay here. We don't need more of you. Not unless you have money, then, fine...

10-03-2002, 05:30 AM	#21
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Everyone is assuming that because I am upset about this, I personally must be doomed. Did you see the post in this thread where I said "I voted annoyance", MrThumbs? I am fine. I just hate to see any new factor in the business that favors the big shitty corporate sites over the small, independent, creative ones. In the long run, it will be bad for the industry and the viewers. No more new or small true amateur sites! No innovation from new people! __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-03-2002, 07:16 AM	#23
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	This kind of shit makes me sad. Should a writer not be a writer because he can't afford not to work, and make a full time go at it? I bet there are a lot of amazing authors, poets, and artists out there who would disagree. This is a business, but that isn't all there is to it. It is a creative endeavor-- or fucking should be. I am one of the people who will survive... but I am saddened to think how many excellent sites will be put out of business by this, and how many creative new people will never get started. If you think this is all about money, business, and the bottom line, and don't care about creativity, then you can Suck My Nuts. That goes for anyone on this board. I hope there are a few people out there who aren't blinded by dollar signs. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-03-2002, 07:48 AM	#26
jas1552 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Land of the free, home of the brave Posts: 1,462	This doesn't affect me at all but i'm wondering if webmasters from other countries aren't able to get everything done in time but are a little late does that mean all their rebills are gone when they do get their shit set up?

10-03-2002, 07:57 AM	#27
kÿ®ëë Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 41	I believe this is one of the best things to ever happen on the internet...'cept for cable access LOL...it's about time people were held accountable for their actios...it's time shitty webmasters were gone...if you cannot get the 750.00 needed to play the game then maybe you shouldn't be playing...like some has already said...maybe time to reconsider your career choices....everyday I hear horror stories about people getting burned by shithead webmasters with shitty content...maybe it's time to quit crying and start designing...I am sure the time spent bitching here could prove alot more productive spent on ANYTHING ELSE Kyree

10-03-2002, 08:00 AM	#28
smashface Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 991	Someone on this board mentioned that checking accounts are treated differently. Maybe someone can talk to Visa/MC about the way they would handle the transaction if a debit/ATM card is used to pay for the transaction.

10-03-2002, 08:17 AM	#29
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	I'm exhausted of this subject. I woke up this morning and within 10 seconds, I was thinking about it. I've made my decision. I like having the freedom to move to any country I that I wish. The whole reason for me doing this is to be able to eventually live in the caribbean or in africa. When and if the embargo on Cuba ends, I'm DEFINITELY getting a place in havana. Losing my visa rebills will hurt....they will hurt A LOT...and I just took off the trials and the sales are still good. But in the long run it will benefit me. I don't have thousands of customers to lose like others so I'll be able to recover within in 2-3 months. I have a whole month to warn my customers about the change and hopefully they'll switch over. I'll just have to cut my weed expenses from 100 to 50 a week for awhile, buy some more traffic, and hope for the best. Thank God for Clickmemedia, Freeezinebucks, and Sexkey. Y'all are going to be paying my rent and buying my groceries for the next few months. __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!!

10-06-2002, 01:26 PM	#30
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	You know.. if we all start making our money through AVSs, then Visa will just target them, too. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.