crockett

Then do something about it..

I personally get sick of hearing people complain about ratios aren't what they used to be an yadda.. yadda.. yadda.. If you run a affiliate program and buy or produce content yet are sick of it being used to sell other programs. Well it's quite simple do something about it.

As an affiliate I build sites to promote paysites. I try to pre-sell and keep the content given out to minimum. I run TGP's and Blogs and I don't use sponsor content to sell add space, dating or webcam programs. I build sites to promote the affiliate programs that I get my content from.

Tube sites and other morons whom give it all away leaving the surfer no reason to sign up hurt guys like me, just the same as it hurts you. How can I compete for traffic against a tube sites whom give it all way for free? Yet there not much I can do about it..

On the flip side if you are a program owner whom buys or produces content.. You have all the power in the world to put a stop to this BS. Yet most of you stand by idle bitching about it and do nothing.

The simple fact is.. The tube sites and babelogs whom give away the most content, don't give a fuck about sending you sales. You think a tube site or 90% of the babelogs whom host their own galleries could pay for their B/W if they didn't use your content to sell text adds, dating and webcam memberships?

I remember all the bitching used to be about TGP's giving it all away for free. Yet in reality TGP's had rules about the amount of links per gallery. Those rules meant the person making the gallery could only promote 1 sponsor meaning they had an interest in trying to promote that sponsor.

The current trend is moving to tube sites and other types of sites whom focus mainly on selling text adds, webcams and dating sponsors. You as a program owner play second fiddle to the text, dating and webcam adds.. yet it's your content being used.

If you own the content then do something about it. Start making rules that keep affiliates from putting ads to other programs on pages using your content. That is the simple end all end of story right there yet who has the balls to do it and enforce it?

(not taking about a sites main page but gallery type pages)

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crockett

The silence is deafening in this topic...

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notoldschool

sponsers love tube sites. Its the affiliate who will suffer.

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tube sites are here to stay...nothing can be done at this point.

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papill0n

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a tube site like TEVS that allows webmasters full control of the content they upload and which you can associate a sponsors banner with the video.

It is the tube sites with stolen content and full length movies that are the problem.

crockett

How do you figure TEVS sites are any different? Any of the sites I've seen have "one" link under the movie. Nine times out of ten there are 20 other videos from the same site right there. So the surfer is just going to watch the next one rather than go to the paysite.

Not to mention the other banners on the video page typically aren't from the same sponsor. Out of the sites listed on the TEVS site only 2 of them had a matching banners to the sponsor on the right side. However any of the other banners at top or bottom of the pages were for other sponsors.

I mean fuck it if sponsors don't give a fuck I'll just join the club and use their content to sell dating and webcams or what ever my current choice sponsor is, just like everyone else.

btw not bashing Zorman or TEVS I'm bashing the current trend of using content to build traffic just to sell something else.

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IllTestYourGirls

no right click save as in members area would fix everything. Who is going to the be the first to do that? Owners that run their pay sites like tube sites? It seems pretty simple to me, that is if the owners really want to stop this. But what do I know.

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crockett

I don't think it's the issue of surfers saving the videos.. They are typically crappy flash video format. It's the point, that other affiliates have to try to compete for traffic against these sites..

In most cases these guys don't give a shit about selling memberships to the paysites.. They are pushing one or two main sponsors across the entire site and use the content to pull the surfers.

So they have a link to the paysite under the video.. yet most of the banners sharing the same pages all lead to their one or two "main" sponsors. This leaves guys like me whom are trying to promote the paysites competing against guys whom likely couldn't give a fuck if they send joins to that paysite, because they just want the content.

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IllTestYourGirls

I get that point. But if members or affiliates with member access could not download the whole movie, and the affiliates could only download the 1, 2 or 3 min movie from the affiliate area it would stop the 20 min movie tube sites. (in the long run, they would still have all the stolen crap they have now but will not have fresh stolen content)

Then it would be just like a tpg or mpg but embedded.

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Iron Fist

I think i'm going to agree with this point right here.

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MediumPimpin

Legally I think it could be done, like speeding or drug dealing, they are not trying to stop it 100%, just enough to keep most people in line, take out the big dealers or the really bad drivers it's all about control.

You can never stop theft, but we should be able to bring it down a bit and knock off the big ones.

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crockett

I guess if that's the consensus I'll just build my own.. fuck it. Why should I try to compete for traffic against these sites when it's a losing battle if the programs don't even really give a fuck.

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Roald

Ofcourse this would only work in fairytale land lol

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Zorgman

Crockett, you will find that most sponsors "do give a fuck" they just will not speak out about it publicly on a forum as they might do business with other sponsors that do support content theft in another form and don't want to lose out on that business.

I'm very much against content theft. It's sad to see a few bad apples here.

Don't think of it as competing against the illegal tube sites, think of it as you don't want that SHIT traffic anyway. Go for SE traffic.

Would you rather 4,000,000 surfers a month using up tons of bandwidth and making 10% after expenses, OR 400,000 surfers a month and making 50%-80% income after expenses.

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I am a sponsor, a content owner, and work for another sponsor who also is a content owner.

I can not stand most tube sites. I send out DMCA notices every single week. Yes due to time limitations I do all my DMCA notices on one day each week though I along with others collect the urls before hand.

As for legit tube sites I am against most of those as well with a few minor exceptions.

For them to land on my approved list the following must be met:

• They must not use more than a 3 minute video sample.
• That video sample must not give away the money shot.
• All ads on the page where the content is viewed must be linked to my site.
• Any clicking of the video will only interact with the video or send them to my site.
• They must try to find a way to sell the sponsor better on the video pages.
• Most importantly they must host the videos themselves. There shall be no free hosted tube videos, unless you individually can show me an acceptable CTR.

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Zorgman

Very good rules. I like them.

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polish_aristocrat

are you sure you'd be able to build a succesfull tube site?

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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

That's what I started doing about a month or so ago when I started to see prominent positions in the serps getting bumped by youporn and surfer forums an dmy sales form the particular sites dropping like crazy. Might as well jump on the bandwagon. It's the only way we're going to survive. My paysite sponsors play second fiddle to my interest in promoting cams and dating now. I've been pulling my prominent banner positions and replacing them with geotargetted dating ads, and cam iframes. let the fhg's fend for themselves...

polish_aristocrat

hehe this proves that this issue is more complex than people think

some *sponsors* don't like tube sites because they steal their content

and most *affiliates* don't like the tube sites mainly because they offer too much for free (I dont care if YOUR content is stolen or not, I am worried that the surfer can go to a tube site and watch hundreds of full lenghts hardcore porn videos for free)

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HouseHead

Where does it say other scripts don't allow this type of moderation?

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Penny24Seven

I am a content owner and know several others and none of us like the tube sites. We waste time getting our videos removed. Do you know of anyone that has a 30 minute video on the tour? fuck no

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crockett

The problem is.. I'm not even talking about illegal tube sites. I'm talking about sites using your script as well as others. Look at the sites you have listed at your script site.

There is only 1 that has no other adds than the sponsor add on the "video page" and that's just the text add. There there are 2 others that have matching sponsor banners for the video however the video page also has other sponsors promo's.

The rest of them use the content and have the simple standard text link yet all the other adds, which are in the most prevalent spots are for their main one or two sponsors. Sites like this cater to the current trend of using free content to promote other sites.

The problem with this trend as I posted above, is these guys don't give a fuck if they make sales to the sponsor they get the content from. They are using the free content to pull surfers so they can push the main sponsors. Sorry but that's BS and as a legit affiliate I shouldn't have to compete with that.

Not to mention there is 20 other videos from the same site on the same video page. So it really gives the surfer no motivation to sign up to the sponsor who has their videos all over even a "legal" tube site.

Don't take this as a bash against you personally. I understand you saw a opportunity to make some money with a script and took it. The problem is, it pisses me off that 90% of the programs out here don't seem to give a shit publicly about this.

If these types of sites (babelogs included) had to worry about conversions to the sites they are getting the free content from. I bet you they would do things a bit different. You can damn sure bet on that.

The point of this thread, is I'm pleading with the sponsors to do something about this shit. Now is the time to fucking put a stop to this.. protecting your content and other legit affiliates. Make some fucking rules and enforce them, stopping affiliates from putting 20 different adds to other competing programs on the gallery pages.

After Shock Media has the right idea and is basiclly what I'm talking about.. Why can't the rest of the programs wake the fuck up and see you are pissing in your own drinking water.

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crockett

I have many no skim sites that pull traffic.. however I see where the future is going and I'm protecting myself by making a move to the service end of the biz.

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dont.

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