gleem

teengfs.com owner thinks it's ok if he has a bonus section containing embeds all of the stolen videos on Megarotica that he got using a scraper..

here's the original thread:
Original thread

he keeps insisting I post our ICQ conversation, I don't like doing that to people, but he really wants me to so ok. here it is, it's long feel free to read.

Gleemonized [8:58 PM]:
so how is having those videos on your site not stealing? I don't get it?
teenGF-quantum-x [9:02 PM]:
It's fairly straightforward, I think: it's the same as embedding a youtube vid - you don't own the license to those either.
Essentially, it boils down to this. We're a legit operation, I've put in over a year's work in prerelease. 5 months ago everyone on GFY was chuckling over the fact that megarotic doesnt hitlink protect videos, and were embedding them everywhere to take their bw.
It is what it is, really.
teenGF-quantum-x [9:02 PM]:
I'd be disappointed if my hard work was marred by something like this, but what is done is done - I can only stand on my actions.
Gleemonized [9:05 PM]:
I'm telling you this much.. just because you are scraping the videos off megarotic, doesn't mean it's not posting the videos illegally from other producers, bangbros guys are gonna DMCMA you as soon as they see the thread and you will have every content producer stick your site on their watchlist to give notice.

Why bother with the stolen bonus video page at all if the rest of your content is legit? It's a bad biz decision
Gleemonized [9:05 PM]:
doesn't matter where the videos are streamed from
Gleemonized [9:06 PM]:
they are being shown on your website, so you might as well host em too
Gleemonized [9:06 PM]:
do like the rest of us and cough up a couple hundred bucks for some video feeds and spend a few hundred a month and buy legit DVDs to use as bonus
teenGF-quantum-x [9:12 PM]:
still there? my wireless in my apartment is patchy.
teenGF-quantum-x [9:12 PM]:
we've got no problems putting feeds in, and i'd be lying if I said I wasn't annoyed at myself, but I guess I was just amused at my cleverness of sticking it to megarotica ;)
Gleemonized [9:14 PM]:
no one is going to buy that arguement of "sticking it to megarotica" by posting the videos we all pay between $1000 and $5000 per scene for in your paysite as yours.

you will make a TON more money if you keep your site 100% legit and workout sale trades and stuff with the rest of the legit producers and sponsors
Gleemonized [9:15 PM]:
and for your own good, I would yank that shit down, I promise you there are people that will or already are taking screenshots

teenGF-quantum-x [9:15 PM]:
Gleem I'm not trying to sell any idea, I'm telling you how it is. I'm strangely honesyt like that
teenGF-quantum-x [9:15 PM]:
well, yanking is only going to prove that I have a guilt of some nature
teenGF-quantum-x [9:15 PM]:
and don't think i'm not paying big $ to license our content either
Gleemonized [9:16 PM]:
k, so how would you like it if one of your surfers downloaded your videos, ALL of them, and posted them on MEGArotic tommorow? and then it showed up in my paysite the next day.
teenGF-quantum-x [9:16 PM]:
I wouldn't blame you in the slighest
Gleemonized [9:17 PM]:
and I just claimed them as my bonus content
teenGF-quantum-x [9:17 PM]:
My grief would be w/ the surfer
teenGF-quantum-x [9:17 PM]:
But cmon, this is the same as you embedding a youtube video that you dont own
Gleemonized [9:18 PM]:
no it isn't and yes it is.

just cause a video is on youtube doesn't mean they own it, if they posted a video of mine they would get DMCMA notice from my attorney and they would have to take it off, and if youtube does own the rights to the video, they explicitly give you permissions to embed THEIR content that their users generated
Gleemonized [9:19 PM]:
they worked out deals with hollywood studios to allow little clips of shows and movies to be used this way, and they had to pay for it
Gleemonized [9:19 PM]:
megarotic just straight up steals entire member sections
teenGF-quantum-x [9:20 PM]:
I'll be frank: this is semantics. Last time I watched megarotica, it was mainly clips that people are watermarking their URLS over the top of
teenGF-quantum-x [9:20 PM]:
Look, it comes down to this..
Gleemonized [9:21 PM]:
haha, you are soooo wrong, it comes down to one thing. YOU HAVE STOLEN CONTENT IN YOUR MEMBERS AREA
Gleemonized [9:21 PM]:
period
Gleemonized [9:21 PM]:
end of story
teenGF-quantum-x [9:22 PM]:
*sigh. It's evident that there's no give or take in this conversation
Gleemonized [9:22 PM]:
there isn't, it's a black and white issue
Gleemonized [9:22 PM]:
take this conversation anywhere there are legit webmasters, talk to any attorney in the industry
Gleemonized [9:23 PM]:
same story
Gleemonized [9:23 PM]:
even the dipshits on GFY know it's illegal
Gleemonized [9:23 PM]:
I'll show ya
teenGF-quantum-x [9:29 PM]:
I'm straight up on my product, i've spent a lot getting it up and making it legit. But honestly, get some perspective on the issue. Don't condascend me with 'i pay 5k for my scenes' - we all do. If I was the ultimate thieving bastard, why would I even let you inside the site to go and take screenshots
teenGF-quantum-x [9:31 PM]:
Anyhow - it's 930 on a friday night, and i have tango to go to. feel free to post the ICQ convo to GFY for completeness of the issue.
Gleemonized [9:32 PM]:
sure, have a good one, just one thing
Gleemonized [9:32 PM]:
why would you bother making any of your own videos
teenGF-quantum-x [9:32 PM]:
how so ?
Gleemonized [9:32 PM]:
when you can just use any of the 10000's on megarotic
teenGF-quantum-x [9:33 PM]:
because megarotic videos are shitty clips
teenGF-quantum-x [9:34 PM]:
All I can do is repeat: we threw in some embedded clips for the sake of filling out the site, not to cause drama or be the devils, and to stick it to megarotica's bw bill. Even if they dont resemble sound reasons to you, that's what they were
teenGF-quantum-x [9:35 PM]:
incidentally, i dont have any issues with you, or debating this with you, i just wanted to make that clear
teenGF-quantum-x [9:36 PM]:
And obviously you guys have a passion in this niche
Gleemonized [9:36 PM]:
you aren't understanding me or this industry
teenGF-quantum-x [9:36 PM]:
odd, I've been in the industry for ages
teenGF-quantum-x [9:37 PM]:
and have had more content stolen than anyone
teenGF-quantum-x [9:37 PM]:
dude i designed and programmed raven riley
teenGF-quantum-x [9:37 PM]:
i know my shit, dont worry about that
Gleemonized [9:38 PM]:
so because your shit got stolen it's ok to steal other people's stuff?
teenGF-quantum-x [9:39 PM]:
rofl
teenGF-quantum-x [9:40 PM]:
now you're taking me out of context
teenGF-quantum-x [9:40 PM]:
I was simply stating that your comment of me not knowing the industry is unfounded
teenGF-quantum-x [9:40 PM]:
Now i'm really late for my friday evening. Enjoy your evening.
teenGF-quantum-x [9:44 PM]:
oh you are a smooth operator ;)

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Profiting off stolen content and trying to justify it sucks.

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TheAgent

Cant be bothered to read all that shit how about Cliff Notes

thanks

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candyflip

Lame. That's one quick way to ruin a reputation.

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quantum-x

I only ever try to be honest and upfront in what I do, good or bad. If 6 years of reputation is gonna be flushed by this, I'll have to live with it. Doesn't make me happy, but I can't change what's done

John.

Why did you see the need to open up a new thread for this? Have you stopped posting in the other one?

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gleem

Me: You can't scrape content off Megarotica and use it as Bonus videos in your member section. The videos you have posted are from producers like me, Bangbros, TCG, Lightspeed etc...

Him: It's ok since it's posted on Megarotica, it's just like embedding videos from Youtube.. perfectly ok to post megarotica videos as "feeds" in my membersection.

that's the basic arguement here.

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gleem

Just remove it from your paysite and the other sites you are pulling em from, and you will be fine.

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candyflip

Why not just remove the filler content that you don't have a license for? Seems like that would be the simple, easy way to fix things.

If you need more filler content. Platinum Feeds can hook you up with 4000+ streaming DVDs for about $100 a month plus usage.

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quantum-x

Already pulled off the tour, doing so in the member's area.
All I wanted to establish was that it was my intentions and standings on the issue of ripped content, which I think are important

candyflip

I see where you're coming from, and it does make sense. What doesn't make sense would be to put your new site/program in jeopardy like that.

If those sites weren't loaded with "stolen" content, your idea would have been a good one for sure.

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quantum-x

What the screenshots don't show is the fact that that's just one page in the member's area, as opposed to the dozens of others. If people walk away with the impression that our member's area is nothing but pillaged photos, that'd be unfortunate.

candyflip

I think just the potential of having someone elses content in your member's area is enough to knock the train off the rails. Better safe than sorry.

Here's a gift from me to you. More filler content than you'd ever be able to get thru, and cheap too...even free in some instances.

http://platinumfeeds.com/

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quantum-x

Appreciate and duly noted

candyflip

Gonna throw up some links this week. I do really like the site

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DVD's as cheap as $75:
http://www.worldwidecontent.com/
http://www.xxxcontentdirect.com/
http://www.thecontentstore.com/

Feeds as cheap as $49:
http://www.itsyourporn.com/
http://www.slickfeeds.com/
http://realityfeeds.com
http://www.exclusiveplugins.com/

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rowan

The problem is that webmasters are pretty much expecting the content on a typical "user submitted" site to be stolen, so they're going to pick over everything they can to find a smoking gun. You left a big target right there in the form of that one page.