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Old 02-15-2008, 12:08 PM   #51
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I always thought that the minority of the world's population consumed about 80% of the world's resources. No?
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:09 PM   #52
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FACT: There are more people alive right now than have ever been dead.
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:10 PM   #53
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CIA analysts / Henry Kissinger are not 'retards'.

I don't advocate the use of force to limit population and energy consumption, but education, finance, technology...etc.

A more open and public debate would be useful.

Every country in the world is directly or indirectly affected by overpopulation, it's not a matter of skin color, nationality, religion, or sex.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,224823,00.html
WWF: Humans Far Outstripping Planet's Resource-Replacement Rate

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6077798.stm
Global ecosystems 'face collapse'

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1021-02.htm
Consumption of Resources Outstripping Planet's Ability to Cope

http://conservewater.melbournewater....ent/driest.asp
Australia is the driest continent on Earth (excluding Antartica) and can only support ten million people.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/10/24/wwf.html
The group says humans are stripping the Earth of its resources faster than at any other time in history and that we will need two planets' worth of natural resources by the middle of this century to support it if current trends continue.

http://www.panda.org/news_facts/publ...port/index.cfm
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:17 PM   #54
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I always thought that the minority of the world's population consumed about 80% of the world's resources. No?
Nope. Financial resources # Natural resources.

Example: China is the world's largest consumer of grain, meat, coal...etc.
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Old 02-15-2008, 06:55 PM   #55
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There already are conflicts over resources. Why do you think we are in the Middle East? Supply and demand has long been what our economy revolves around in the west. Perhaps you need to read some history and polsci books and get educated before you go off on tangents you don't understand. I don't want to come off as mean, but the facts are there to be found not to mention all over the news every day of the year since 9/11 and even before. Over population is not a problem yet in the West so I'm not sure what you are worried about. Hell here in Canada we have roughly one person per square Km. WMDs have always been a problem since they were created and then used in Japan. Abuses of power have plagued humans since the very beginning of time. This will not change. There will always be a power struggle.
Supply and demand has very VERY little to do with what is happening in the middle east right now. This is NOT a conflict over oil no matter how much people like to believe it is. There is plenty of easily accesible oil in the North american oilfields (as well as south america, which american interests have it's dirty little fingers in all over the place already). It is a conflict over control of the oil. America does need need the Iraqi oilfields, not at all. What it needs is to assure that no one else has access to them as a means of maintaining it's position of economic power over the rest of the world right now. it's a strategic move in the game of chess that is global domination.

You are right though, the population density of North America isn't all that heavy. People, in Canada especially, are spread out fairly sparsely. But that does not address the issue. I'm speaking of mankind as a whole here, and there are areas of our planet that are drastically overpopulated, and whose populations far exceed the capacity of their resources. Namely Eastern Asia and Africa, where third world nations do not have the capacity to sustain their huge populations, and families view fucking like jackrabbits and popping out 12 kids so that 1 will survive as a way of life.

These are the areas which will continue to spiral out of control, and which will be ground zero for the epidemic that will eventually wipe a great deal of us out. We're already seeing strange new diseases creep up from this demographic, and we will continue to see them. All it will take is one or two of the right mutations in the right virus and these populations are going to be completely decimated. And with the global village growing smaller and smaller, it's not absurd to think that this outbreak will spread worldwide. This could be centuries away yet, but ultimately this is the course that nature takes when populations exceed the lands ability to sustain, and this is what will happen if the populations of third world nations continue to tower out of control far beyond their capacity to maintain the population situated within them.

Think of our efforts to save every last living thing as "stoking the fire" for the epidemic. In nature populations cycle, the the coyote population rises, rabbit populations drop. The coyotes feed freely until there's no rabbits left, then the feed on whatever else they can manage. Eventually there is not enough left for the coyote population to survive on, so they get sickly, have poor offspring etc etc. The population goes down and with the lack of predators feeding upon them, the rabbit population rises. Mankind has nothing maintaining it's population besides disease and one another. By battling off every disease and illness we can, by not fighting one another, and so forth, the population continues to rise and rise and rise.

Do you know why we have these huge raging out of control forest fires? Because we've been fighting all the small fires for decades now. Dead fall builds up, and nature's way of cleaning house is a forest fire. A small fire burns out an area, and then regrows. By fighting all these fires we stoke the fire, letting the deadfall build up, and ultimately providing the fuel for an out of control blaze that will wipe out a HUGE area of forest, instead of what over the years would have been small losses here and there as nature intended it. The same will ring true for mankind, mark my words, and if you thin otherwise you truly are blinded to reality.

The softhearted feel the need to help everyone and every living thing, but this is just not something we can achieve. The softhearted will call you cold and evil for agreeing with this viewpoint, and maybe its true, but that does not make it any less correct.
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Old 02-15-2008, 06:56 PM   #56
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Old 02-15-2008, 07:40 PM   #57
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The worlds number 1 problem is... George Bush, yay!
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Old 02-15-2008, 08:37 PM   #58
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Old 02-15-2008, 10:58 PM   #59
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I beg to differ, I believe the number one problem in this world is ignorance, especially from super powers like the US, rather then finding solutions we create problems.
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