I'll agree with you there. The people who do this choose guns because they don't have the balls to do it with a baseball bat.

But I also have a problem with the gun owners that allow guns to get into the hands of others. Gun owners are a somewhat responsible group of people - If you think about the amount of handguns out there it's surprising that we don't more problems. However, the moment a gun gets into the hand the wrong person it's a disaster.

If you need an exmple please refer to the 18 year old who killed a few people last month. A man had a firearm, failed to secure it, and his step son with a history of mental problems grabbed it and went on his rampage.

i'm a responsible gun owner and hunter, and keep my firearms locked away from children and away from those who could theoretically steal them. no one ever has anything to worry about from one of my guns. however, if anyone ever came at me with lethal intent and i had the opportunity to get the gun in my hands, i would put a hole right fucking through them. and if authoritive regulation ever said that guns were banned, YES I WOULD FUCKING LOSE IT. It is my right as a responsible gun owner to have a gun. Just because some fucking retards happen to watch the news too damn much and take everything way out of proportion thinking that guns are an epidemic killing innocent civilians on mass, does not mean that is the case and it outrages me. There are far more important things you could focus on then banning the ownership of firearms.

You seem like the sort of person who should be kept away from making any decisions or voicing your opinion. perhaps you should be kept away from the keyboard...

BANG BANG BANG BANG KA BLAAAA!

How come you cant make a point without talking about putting a bullet through someone's head or making insults?

here's is the point, you are a fucking idiot and rational debate does not work with you. so i'm going to resort to your level of intelligence and just spout bullshit. which is all you're doing everytime you open your ignorant misinformed mouth...

guns don't kill people, people kill people. it is the sad truth, FUCKING DEAL WITH IT. it is a tool of purpose and taking away the tool does not eliminate it's necessity. someone who wants to kill will find a method by which to achieve their goal. pulling a gun on an unarmed crowd is cowardly, but take away the gun and a cowardly killer will still find a medium by which to lash out violently. It's the misinformed and ignorant who wish to scapegoat firearms while looking away from the REAL problems which lead into these situations...

I have had more cops point guns at me than criminals.

Yes the world was a much safe place when punks only had chains and knifes. Or bricks....And its not like I couldn't make a few neat things from most peoples bar / cleaning supply's. People kill people. they have been for ever and I don't think it is going to stop or change any time soon.

NosMo

yep, when cops aren't allowed to have guns anymore, and the military puts away it's weaponry, i'll turn over mine. (which are registered and legally purchased btw)

So funny how you gun idiots keep giving reasons why guns are a huge problem there while you think you're saying something to defend it.

You know what it takes in Holland to get a gun pointed at you by the police? Well, a lot! Believe me.

In the US they fucking pull your car over and point a gun at you...why you wonder...well maybe because the chance is fucking big the guy they pull over has a gun with them. How fucking insane is that?

So well done retarddog, you proved once more what a fucked up idiot country you live in with idiot people and idiot laws.

Im happy that i live in a country where the police has no need to point a gun at me. The moment that happens i will move to another place.

I probably mentioned it before, but just in case you missed it, you should probably refrain from visiting us. It is obviously too big and scary for you.

Better check out stats for the UK there sparky.:thumbsup

Funny how you completely ignore what i posted :1orglaugh

Pathetic white trash.

Dude what planet do you live on? If you tighten gun control, guns become more scarce. Fewer guns in circulation means less chance of coked up deadbeat shooting up school....

Those backwards hicks simply dont want to know that. They think they live in the land of the free and therefor have a gun. Its their retarded idea of being free.

But then only the criminals will have guns...criminals who you likely will never see in your life.

Gun retards simply have a few rules in their brain and they dont want to think beyond that. Things like cars kill as well...its our freedom and only the criminals will have guns blah blah.

Thats like their golden rules and no matter how retarded they are thats the way it is for them.

Almost every American i meet outside their country are against guns...and thats because the Americans who like to visit other countries are usually a bit smarter than hicks like Baddog.

Look at the die hard gun idiots there...its always the typical American patriot who never leaves his country and thinks the rest of the world is less free and that we live in caves..

I'm not sure what you mean by "tighten gun control". It's not easy to purchase a gun legally in the US. I have a carry permit in GA and I was finger printed and checked by 3 different government agencies before I was granted the permit. Before I had the permit I couldn't get a gun w/o clearance. If I even so much as touch another person and they file a restraining order against me, I lose that permit.

The laws are there. It's the people BREAKING the laws that cause the problems. Heck, I think there was an ILLEGAL car race that caused the deaths of 8 people in Maryland - that's less than were killed by the gunman in Illinois. I don't see a big cry to "tighten car control".

If you can find a way to get rid of all the illegal guns in America then you will be a multi-millionaire and a hero, so please do it!

Thats not what were talking about. Ofcourse its too late in American to get rid of guns but the question is are there less gun crimes/accidents if there are less guns and the obvious answer is yes ofcourse. And thats something all those goddamn fucking gun morons will deny which is totally fucking retarded.

dumbass comment of the year. Criminal is a criminal. If they know there is a good chance you could carry a gun, they will just shoot you in the back when you're not looking and take what they're after. Without a gun they would at least give you a chance and take it by just scaring you.

Again, please come and make there less illegal guns. You will be rich beyond your wildest dreams if you know how to make that happen (which apparently you do or you wouldn't be bringing it up repeatedly).

BTW, in my rural area there's 90-95% gun ownership with almost everyone owning more than 1 gun, but in the 7 years I've been here there has never been a gun related crime or accident. So obviously more guns does NOT mean more crimes/accidents or we'd be having them all the time.

Hell, I don't even lock the doors of my house and right now the car and house keys are sitting in my unlocked car out in the driveway and my wallet is in there too. Why? Because there aren't a bunch of criminals here. Criminals are the ones who cause the problems, not the legal gun owners.

Are you fucking slow or just pretending to be slow? Wtf? Read this again and dont respond till you understand wtf im trying to say. Jesus...are really all gun owners totally mentally retarded or what?

"but the question is are there less gun crimes/accidents if there are less guns and the obvious answer is yes ofcourse."

Looks like not only do they need to compensate for lack in their pants, but also for lack in their heads :2 cents:

Firearm homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country.

Look at the fucking countries in that top 10...not 1 western country besides the US. And yet all those idiots keep acting more guns makes everything more safe. You know what you fucking retarded dumb fucks the list below is a result of having a country where everyone and his fucking brother has a gun. You know why Holland for example isnt in the top 10? I'll give you 2 options, pick one.

Because everyone has a gun like in the US OR
Because only criminals have a gun unlike the US.

Now think realllly fucking hard when you pick one because its a reaaaaallly difficult question.

#1 South Africa: 74.5748
#2 Colombia: 51.7683
#3 Thailand: 33.0016
#4 Guatemala: 18.5
#5 Paraguay: 7.3508
#6 Zimbabwe: 4.746
#7 Mexico: 3.6622
#8 United States: 3.6
#9 Belarus: 3.31
#10 Barbados: 2.9963

I would be really proud living in a country that takes the 8th place when it comes to gun murders...you know what i'd do? Id tell the whole world how good it is to have guns and that it makes everything way more safe. The more people have guns the safer it is. Yeah thats what i would do.

Holy shit, I vacationed on Barbados many times. WTF... Time to change the vacation spot before some trigger happy homie gets an itch while I'm around :helpme

Not interesting anymore when i post stats?

Who cares about your stats? Let me post a thread about how a stray dog bit a homeless person and they both died of rabies... that should show you that guns are not at fault.

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You are right...if there were less or no guns there would be still the same amount of gun related crimes right :1orglaugh

Dumb ass fucking backwards hick :1orglaugh

Americans are right though. It's hard to give a real reason why we shoulld be concerned with this. If they're not smart enough to ask their congress or whoever for stricter gun laws, fuck it. Let them shoot each other up and turn the other cheek.

Im not concerned. Id say Americans get more guns and shoot yourself in the face.

I think you are missing the original point - even if guns were 100% illegal in the U.S. "criminals" would still get them.

nice sig :ak47:

In Holland only the criminals have guns and thats waaaay safer than half the population having legal guns..so what point am i missing exactly?

The point is if they were 100% ilegal, it would be EXTREMELY difficult for anyone, criminals or not, to get their hands on a gun. How anyone can argue against this is beyond me.

Even if they realize it they wont admit it. Thats how far gone they are...

Thanks :)

there are way too many guns already in exhistance for this to ever happen. :2 cents:

Bingo, you said it yourself! THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY GUNS ALREADY

Then why do you keep denying that more guns = more gun related problems? You are so fucked up in your gun defense that you get lost in your own bs. Moron.

so it's pointless to argue about :)

they are also spread out across the world. Even if they were made illegal in america they would come in just as easily as the tons of cocaine and pot do. I believe the U.S. regulates them as well as can be expected :2 cents:

ProjectIdiot:

Why is Holland not in this list you think? I can't wait to see what bs you will come up with this time.

Firearm homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country.

#1 South Africa: 74.5748
#2 Colombia: 51.7683
#3 Thailand: 33.0016
#4 Guatemala: 18.5
#5 Paraguay: 7.3508
#6 Zimbabwe: 4.746
#7 Mexico: 3.6622
#8 United States: 3.6
#9 Belarus: 3.31
#10 Barbados: 2.9963

There are more shootings all the time. I really don't think that it's pointless to argue about. For step to a solving a problem is admiting that there is a problem, which is what a lot of people seem to have a hard time doing.

I agree, but I also think taking away the right to own guns is a bad move. The government here is striping away our freedoms with every passing law. Eventually you will not be allowed to cross the street....o wait, I think they call it j-walking :disgust

The government is stripping away your freedom with bullshit laws, like the Patriot Act and others. If they ever did anything about guns it would be for your protection, so maybe your kids won't get shot up while taking a test for 5th grade history.

Jaywalking is crossing the street without regards to traffic statutes, so you won't get runned over by a car, and is actually a good example of how something similar can be done with respect to firearms.

I guess you are the kind of person who needs to be babysat by mommy government :)

(nothing personal but this country feels like a kindergarden some days :disgust)

Don't you think it' getting close to time that you clue in and realize that guns aren't the problem causing schoolshootings and other fatalities stemming from crime?

Some quick info:

I hate stats and we all know the saying about them yet lets look at some other stats.

Burglaries per capita:
#7 United Kingdom 13.8321 per 1,000 people
#17 United States 7.09996 per 1,000 people

Assaults per capita:
#6 United States 7.56923 per 1,000 people
#8 United Kingdom 7.45959 per 1,000 people

Then taken elsewhere "There are countries that have a much higher % of gun ownership than the US, yet has a much lower crime rate - Switzerland for example, where there are 420,000 Assault Weapons in private homes and between 1.2 and 3 millions total firearms in a county with a total population of only 7.5 million. Nearly 22% of Canadian households have at least one firearm, as another example. Different countries report these figures in different ways. In the US, for example, any death by firearm, even when a victim kills the assailant in self defense, it is recorded as a homicide. If there is no conviction, the number is still counted. In the UK, they only count the homicide if it results in a conviction in court so that also skews the numbers a bit in comparison."

Then Florida passed the stand your ground law and oops no bloodbath and armed crimes has dropped.

MA has strict laws and high gun problems, across the state line in NH it has very loose gun laws and very few gun related crimes or crimes in general, lastly check Vermont who has basically no gun laws and walla damn near no crime and many still consider it almost a leave your doors unlocked type of area.

Now you all can carry on.

If they banned guns right now. We wouldn't see the result, our kids probably wouldn't but maybe our grandchildren would.I know it's hard for you to think past your next big mac, but try.

The right to bear arms did not include assault rifles and ak47s. I have no problem with a hunter having a bolt action rifle. If you can't kill a deer with that then you probably shouldn't be hunting anyway.

Hard to hide one in you pants pocket if you want to rob someone too. Problem solved, you get your gun (because you have a small penis and it makes you feel strong) I get my gun control that makes my family safer.

So the answer is to put a gun dealer on every city corner and basically give them away like candy?

It's one thing to allow citizens to purchase firearms, but it's another thing (and a very bad message you're sending) when:

1) You don't need any training or certification to buy or own a gun.

2) A man living alone in an apartment can walk into a dealer and buy 3 shotguns and 2 handguns. Gee, one for every square foot of the house?

3) You can buy assault rifles and such which are neither ideal for hunting or home defence (when a rifle is ideal for the former, a handgun for the latter).

In my .02 the problem isn't necessarily letting the public purchase handguns for their home, it's that depending on where you live in the USA you can get so many, so easy and without any concern for making them at least get some training for proper use, care and storage.

First I would like to state that it is propaganda when people think assault rifles. Remember people in almost every state automatic weapons aka machine guns have been illegal since around 1934 if I recall. Most assault riffles are just named that for "scary" reasons and because they look like what the military uses. Typically the buyers buy them for accuracy and pleasure in their use. Much like the difference between a Mazda and a BMW.

Next point is those "assault riffles" are single shot riffles. They kill the same damn way a bolt action riffle does. Each time you pull the trigger you get 1 bullet. Plus assorted laws which vary by state dictates how many bullets can be in a clip. Remember a 303 can hold a bit of ammo and has a bigger bullet than many of the guns names assault riffles.

Another big issue. Almost every single fucking crime using a gun in the US is done by a handgun. Yes some do use assault riffles such as the shoot out in LA a few years back, yet those are super rare. Crimes are done with handguns, not riffles, not shotguns, and so forth. Hell Kennedy was taken down with a bolt action, the snipers were using bolt actions.

There should be no wrong or write type of gun to use to kill something. They all kill. Some just get used to kill others more often.

Oh and before I forget and some more common news propaganda pops up with more vile stats and shit. It is not easy to modify a legally purchased assault riffle to make it fully automatic unless you have access to some very precise metal working equipment. Which in that case you do not need to buy any guns as you can easily make your own.