Obama passes Clinton in Delegates

[BVF]

Obama 1,170

Clinton 1,168

Maryland and DC haven't been calculated yet and we all know that Obama will win by a landslide in both places.

[MrPinks]

About fucking time!

[Drake]

Texas is going to make or break 'em + the remaining superdelegates

[Fap]

Originally Posted by Mike33

Texas is going to make or break 'em + the remaining superdelegates

exactly what i was going to say.
and obama needs to man up if he wants Texas

[BVF]

Clean sweep of the Potomac primaries.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Dunno why ya people got yer hopes up...

C-mon lets face the facts. America is not ready for either a black president or a female president.

The Democrats have fucked up what would be an easy road to the presidency in every way possible.

4 More years of Republican reign is on the way.
Enjoy Health care costs going sky high along with Oil and a continueing recession while banking and corporations destroy whats left of the middle class...

[Pornwolf]

I can't lie, I'm a little shocked at how bad Obama is beating Hillary. I think it's time for her to save face (and money) and drop out of the race.

It's embarrasing.

[Snake Doctor]

Actually he has been ahead of her in pledged delegates the whole time. Since the first ballot was cast in Iowa.

The only thing she's been ahead in is superdelegates, who can change their mind at anytime. She got most of those from people who owe her husband a favor and they publicly announced their support for her very early on.

These "superdelegates" are political pros though, and they know which way the wind is blowing. If Obama ends up with the most votes and the most pledged delegates, the superdelegates will all fall in line.

[Axeman]

For the first time I am going to say Obama looks like the momentum has finally got him setup for the nomination. The decisive victory tonight was larger than expected and a bad sign for Hillary even though I still think she wins the 3 big states just won't have enough to get enough of the delegates from those states. She will have won the majority of the largest states in the country and will still not get the nomination. Bet she wishes for winner take all states now!

I sure hope Obama holds tough to the republican machine and more importantly can walk the walk in the office.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Axeman

For the first time I am going to say Obama looks like the momentum has finally got him setup for the nomination. The decisive victory tonight was larger than expected and a bad sign for Hillary even though I still think she wins the 3 big states just won't have enough to get enough of the delegates from those states. She will have won the majority of the largest states in the country and will still not get the nomination. Bet she wishes for winner take all states now!

I sure hope Obama holds tough to the republican machine and more importantly can walk the walk in the office.

Actually I disagree with this conventional wisdom that says she has an advantage in Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania.

She "used" to have a big advantage in Iowa, and South Carolina.
A month ago she was 20 points ahead nationally and in most of the Super Tuesday states.
By Super Tuesday Obama had caught her, and won more votes and more delegates on that day...and has won everything since.
The longer this goes on the better he does, and he's proven that when he's had time to campaign in a state, he does much better there. (Which is why I think she was still able to hold onto some of the Super Tuesday states...there was only 5 or 6 days to campaign in 22 states, not enough time for him)

By the time March 4 gets here I think he could be ahead in Texas and Ohio, and that will be game, set, match.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Actually I disagree with this conventional wisdom that says she has an advantage in Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania.

She "used" to have a big advantage in Iowa, and South Carolina.
A month ago she was 20 points ahead nationally and in most of the Super Tuesday states.
By Super Tuesday Obama had caught her, and won more votes and more delegates on that day...and has won everything since.
The longer this goes on the better he does, and he's proven that when he's had time to campaign in a state, he does much better there. (Which is why I think she was still able to hold onto some of the Super Tuesday states...there was only 5 or 6 days to campaign in 22 states, not enough time for him)

By the time March 4 gets here I think he could be ahead in Texas and Ohio, and that will be game, set, match.

Yep, I read today that people in her campaign had admitted that if she doesn't win Texas and Ohio on March 4th (or come within a few $ of winning) she will pretty much be forced to drop out. Since the Dems split up delegates she could go on and still get delegates, but she is having trouble raising money and if she keeps losing she knows she won't get the support of the super delegates. Looks like Obama found the right time to peak.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by kane

Yep, I read today that people in her campaign had admitted that if she doesn't win Texas and Ohio on March 4th (or come within a few $ of winning) she will pretty much be forced to drop out. Since the Dems split up delegates she could go on and still get delegates, but she is having trouble raising money and if she keeps losing she knows she won't get the support of the super delegates. Looks like Obama found the right time to peak.

She has raised a good chunk of money the past week but how this weekend and thru today affects it going forward will be interesting.

One thing for sure is it doesn't pay to be the front runner in elections early. Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean in 2004, McCain in 2000 etc.

People and the media will always over scrutinize the front runner and over time momentum swings to the underdogs and then they become the front runner near the end of the run and before the media and public begin to sink their teeth into them as they did the previous person.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Axeman

She has raised a good chunk of money the past week but how this weekend and thru today affects it going forward will be interesting.

One thing for sure is it doesn't pay to be the front runner in elections early. Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean in 2004, McCain in 2000 etc.

People and the media will always over scrutinize the front runner and over time momentum swings to the underdogs and then they become the front runner near the end of the run and before the media and public begin to sink their teeth into them as they did the previous person.

It certainly seems to work that way

[kane]

Originally Posted by Axeman

She has raised a good chunk of money the past week but how this weekend and thru today affects it going forward will be interesting.

One thing for sure is it doesn't pay to be the front runner in elections early. Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean in 2004, McCain in 2000 etc.

People and the media will always over scrutinize the front runner and over time momentum swings to the underdogs and then they become the front runner near the end of the run and before the media and public begin to sink their teeth into them as they did the previous person.

That is true. I have a feeling some of it might just be that being the front runner early makes you old news by the time the actual elections come around. They have already been running for around a year so by the time elections come people are wore out and tired of the people that they have been hearing non-stop about for the last year.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by kane

That is true. I have a feeling some of it might just be that being the front runner early makes you old news by the time the actual elections come around. They have already been running for around a year so by the time elections come people are wore out and tired of the people that they have been hearing non-stop about for the last year.

Absolutely that plays a part in it as well. Definitely agree.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Axeman

She has raised a good chunk of money the past week but how this weekend and thru today affects it going forward will be interesting.

One thing for sure is it doesn't pay to be the front runner in elections early. Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean in 2004, McCain in 2000 etc.

People and the media will always over scrutinize the front runner and over time momentum swings to the underdogs and then they become the front runner near the end of the run and before the media and public begin to sink their teeth into them as they did the previous person.

Nah. I think that's an anomaly more than anything.

George W was the front runner both times he ran for the nomination.

Al Gore was the front runner from day 1 until the convention.

John Kerry was the front runner the day after the Iowa caucuses.

Obama's candidacy is unique in so many ways, that you really can't apply the "conventional wisdom" to this election.

[Tom_PM]

Did anyone else see CNN's hypothetical projections yesterday?

If Obama wins EVERY remaining state with a 70% to 30% margin (unlikely), he STILL doesnt have enough pledged delegates to lock it in.

If Clinton wins EVERY remaining state with a 70% to 30% margin (unlikely), she STILL doesnt have enough pledged delegates to lock it in.

This one is going to go to the convention and superdelegates if one or the other doesnt drop out. It's pretty much mathematically impossible to lock it in with pledged delegates. Thats because there is no winner take all for dems. Gonna be a clusterfuck, especially with Florida and Michigan having zero delegates because the DNC decided to punish those voters.

On the Republican side, even if Huckabee wins EVERY remaining state with a huge margin, McCain will still lock it in with pledged delegates. That one is a done deal unless McCain has some horrible accident or medical issue.

On the underdog thing. It's almost comical now because Obama's endorsers are still calling him the underdog, and one said today that he'll be the underdog until he's elected president. Idiots are going to blow it by playing stupid games that is 100% exactly like politics as usual if they're not careful with this thing.