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Old 02-13-2008, 03:36 AM   #1
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SpaCash - Do they shave as bad as they say?

I love their tools and I think DVDStore could sell very well, but I've read some really scathing evidence (on another board) about SpaCash and their prolific shaving habits.

BTW... As I have no personal experience with them, I'm not saying they DO or DON'T shave. I'm just wondering if there are some other testimonials that might offset what I've read elsewhere.
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Old 02-13-2008, 03:41 AM   #2
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i dont know if they shave or not - but their ratios suck.
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Old 02-13-2008, 05:20 AM   #6
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Problem is, their program DVDStore.com looks awesome, and I really want to promote it (unless they're scammers). Anyone promote DVDStore.com and care to share your ratios? Have you noticed any hint of a shave?


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Old 02-13-2008, 05:39 AM   #8
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I put Spacash on a permanent blacklist several years back. When they were first getting started I remember they copied almost every single feature of the ARS website and just replaced the logo with their own. How cheap and shady?
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Old 02-13-2008, 06:00 AM   #11
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I put Spacash on a permanent blacklist several years back. When they were first getting started I remember they copied almost every single feature of the ARS website and just replaced the logo with their own. How cheap and shady?
Whoa. That sucks. I didn't know that.

Judging only by their sites and webmaster tools, they look very polished and legit. But I'm stunned by how poorly they handled Sy's situation.
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Look, I'm not saying it's true, but that thread was pretty convincing.

Problem is, their program DVDStore.com looks awesome, and I really want to promote it (unless they're scammers). Anyone promote DVDStore.com and care to share your ratios? Have you noticed any hint of a shave?
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Eh... sorry. Should have checked that first.
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I heard Mr. Romance shaves his chest.

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Old 02-13-2008, 06:13 AM   #18
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Ok.. GG board.
Search SpaCash.
Thread started 10/22/2007.

It's long but very thorough/damning.
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Old 02-13-2008, 06:23 AM   #19
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Search SpaCash.
Thread started 10/22/2007.

It's long but very thorough/damning.
Yikes... that is bad.
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Old 02-13-2008, 06:27 AM   #20
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Problem is, their program DVDStore.com looks awesome, and I really want to promote it (unless they're scammers). Anyone promote DVDStore.com and care to share your ratios? Have you noticed any hint of a shave?
Ban time?

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I love you and completely miss you and yes the only shaving at SPACash.com is Mr. Romance (thats me) Shaving his chest. Please hit me up on icq XSAXS and I will be more than happy to help you.

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Mr. Romance, Thank you for the offer. I've read nothing but good things about you here. But I've read nothing but good things about Sy either. That's why this whole thing has me confused.

I'm looking for a long-term DVD download provider. I want to build a nice paycheck every month based on juicy rebills (as I've done with AEBN). That's why I'm thinking over this decision seriously. If it was a PPS deal, then I would do a quick test and be done with it. But with rebills... I don't want to waste 3-6 months testing a sponsor that turns out to be less than 100% trustworthy.
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So perhaps someone would care to share their typical DVDStore.com conversion and rebill ratios?
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Well very simple,if they convert good keep them,if not kick.Set a up must be convert rate like 1:100 and that's it.
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This is going to be a long post but after two years, I thought everyone should know what kind of a program they run. Also, if you want to jump in here and say "They have always been good to me" OR "They've always paid me on time" OR "They convert great for me"..... I don't give a shit

This all began in 2005 when I was promoting them regularly and the ratio was not too bad, but all of a sudden everything went to shit, so I contacted Tony (who is no longer there) on August, 20th 2005 and asked him what could be the reason. I provided him with some links to my freesites, galleries and hubs so he could check them out and give me his honest answer. I got an email from Tony the same day saying:

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Hi Sy-
Thanks for the email, let me start researching your account see what I can find out.

Tony
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I emailed back and thanked him for his time and told him to take his time. I did receive an email from him on August, 24th 2005


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Hi Sy-
I am looking into your account and I see a lot of tranasctions and a few rebills too, but it looks like some of the surfers are not converting from trial to full memberships. I am doing a break down now of your sales so you can get a better idea.

Tony
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After about 45 minutes later, I did get another email from him with this report:

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Hi Sy-
Here are some #'s I got, Lets talk about it when you have time-
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jan- 6 transactions, pps, all canceled with in trial

feb- 21 tranactions, pps, 18 canceled within trial

march- 13 transactions,pps, 8 canceled within trial

april- 16 transactons, pps, 10 canceled within trial

may- 26 transactions, pps, 18 canceled within trial

june- 12 transactions, pps, 6 canceled within trial

july 15 transactions, pps, 10 canceled within trial

aug- 8 tranactions, pps, 6 canceled within trial

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Now here where the problem starts, they claim I have made 117 sales in 71/2 months but the problem is, I have only been paid for 50!! This was nowhere to be found in their TOS. I did reply to his email and I was pretty pissed off and I did ask him if I can get any detailed info about those transactions, such as join and cancellation dates and times but he refused to provide me any further information and that was the end of the road!!

I did remove as many of their links as I could but I had to leave some alone due to the fact, they were tgp galleries and I just didn't want to fuck with the galleries and what not.

Later on, I started seeing some sales from my old galleries out there with good conversion ratios and I thought that they decided to run an honest business after they announced SpaCash v.2.0, but I was wrong. I guess that 2.0 meant, we are going to fuck our affiliates even more!

When I saw some increase in sales and better ratios, I submitted a handful of galleries to see how it goes. Sure, one gallery get listed at Tommys, DD, both hanks tgps, free6, madthumbs, thumbnail post, freepicseries and a few more. The traffic to galleries were great but the problem was, my SpaCash stats showed only a dozen clicks. I emailed Gerard and let him have it....LOL and then, what a fucking surprise...... I had a sale with no additional clicks!!!!!

This time I said FUCK THEM for good, I have nothing to do with this cheating mother fuckers but, I still check my account to withdraw the money for any sales that might appear from my old links (which I am sure they either shave me 100% after this or they'll just terminate my account. I've heard they are good at that too!)

So one day as I was checking my account, I decide to look to see how the two active webmaster I have under me doing. Sure enough, one has made over 70 sales and they other over 20. So here I go again....LOL I emailed their accounting on Oct, 15th 2007 to see why I never got my $300, and here is the reply I got the same day :

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None of them has 15 sales
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Wow what a detailed email! I did email them back with what I saw in my stats:


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When I ran the stats, I saw 75 sales for "Webmaster_id removed" and 25 sales for "Webmaster_id removed". Are we looking at different stats?
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And yet I got another professional response and this was the only thing in their email http://www.spacash.com/members/stats...php?ch_lang=us So I am thinking to myself, they are either born stupid or took some classes to become fucking stupid..... Either way, THEY ARE STUPID!

So again I emailed them back with some more detailed information and this all happened within just a couple of hours and here what it was in my email:

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That's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off my friend! Go to general stats and run from Jan, 1st 2005 to date and you'll see total sales for:

Webmaster_id removed:
Masscha Fetish 42
Tranny Pleasure 4
Just Black Gays 3
Biggest Tits Online 6
Interracial Addicts 2
Spy Addicts 1
Tear My Ass 1
Hot Asian Gays 1
All Sex Toons 2
Unknown 13


Webmaster_id removed:
Only Huge Cocks 12
Enormous Babes 9
Spy Addicts 1

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And guess what? I never heard back from them again. I was going to bring the original problem to this board but I didn't because, they were board sponsor and I didn't want to start anything. I don't post anywhere else and that's why it never made it to public. I did contact both Greenie and Jim regarding this issue last week to get their permission to open a thread in here and I sincerely thank them for allowing me to do so.


I am not here to tell you not to promote SpaCash, I am here to tell you this is how they have fucked me over. Never got paid $2345 for the 67 sales I had made in 2005 (and only God knows how many more since then) and also never got paid the $300 webmaster referral.

I just want you to see this and make your own choice.

Sy
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I don't really trust them anymore either. Did a test signup a while back that never showed up in stats. Queried it and was told they don't pay on trials cancelled in the first 4 hours (of a 1 day trial!).

Also I sometimes would notice a Spa Cash sale show up in Stats Remote for $0. I check their stats and it shows a rev-share free trial... I NEVER chose anything but PPS with Spa Cash... hmmm.
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I promoted them a few years ago. I got the welcome <1:100 also, and struggled to squeeze anything else out. Not making any claims, just saying it was one of the worst sponsors I pushed.

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I don't promote them using revshare, just PPS and conversions are good... but they're fucked up over there... Shit in the affiliate area doesn't work properly.. too much fucking around with javascript and ajax... they seem to be redirecting some FHGs lately... Haven't checked exactly what the fuck they're doing but it looks like they're messin around with the end url.. I "think" the gallery is still good though... So I'm going to host the fuckers myself going forward... Their GEOIP code fucks up so I disable it from all my links... And then there's the payout.. first they weren't paying me when they were supposed to... just whenever... then they got it sorted out... then it got fucked up again.. now it's ok again... I gave up contacting them about anything since they just seemed to fuck the dog...

The $9 sites are pretty good for sales...
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God Damn...
I guess there is a lot of animosity out there for SpaCash that I'd never read before. The thing that really got to me in Sy's post was they handled the situation once he pretty much proved that they were (drastically) shaving his stats. So I suppose I'm not overly surprised that they're not all over this thread explaining why/how it's all been fixed, etc...

And that's too bad, because I really wanted to love their program.
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I seem to have lost my account with them, dunno why and dont really care. Only ever made a couple of sales then one day it just disappeared.
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I have heard this is true from many people, though I've never tried them myself.
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Hello.... Anyone from SpaCash care to comment on this?
I want to give you guys the benefit of the doubt.
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I want to give you guys the benefit of the doubt.
Mr.Romance/Gerard posted in this thread already.
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I promoted them a few years ago. I got the welcome <1:100 also, and struggled to squeeze anything else out. Not making any claims, just saying it was one of the worst sponsors I pushed.

No I won't hit you up to discuss.
Thats funny, the same thing happened to me, I signed up sent some traffic and got a sale right away....after 8000 clicks later I didn't make shit so I stop pushing them....but in thier defence they do have some really cool tools!
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just checked these are my stats with them after 1 month

$ 30.00 1:8794 . . .

and that sale was 3 days after I started sending them traffic!
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just checked these are my stats with them after 1 month

$ 30.00 1:8794 . . .

and that sale was 3 days after I started sending them traffic!
Ouch. Doesn't sound too promising. Mind revealing which site(s) you're pushing traffic to?
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Still looking for more input on this. Does anyone have specific experience (good or bad) with SpaCash's DVD program? Are they shaving it as drastically as they seem to be with their other sites?
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Old 03-05-2008, 08:56 AM   #44
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Old 03-14-2008, 03:30 AM   #45
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they do shave, i speak with experience last year i was doing so good with them they were my main sponsors, then in jan all of a sudden everything goes to shit. the traffic is exactly the same and when i move it to other sponsors i convert, and as mentioned in this thread i did a trial signup and never showed up!!!! same excuse you cant cancel within first 4 hours.

Stay away i guess before they come clean

My traffic goes toother sponsors now.
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:11 AM   #46
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My ratios sucked... I complained here about it. My account is no longer working. You figure it out.
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:15 AM   #47
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I started to promote Spa Cash in 2007 on my blog. Pure SEO traffic... mostly US
Here are the stats
I don`t know if they shave or not and honestly I don`t care anymore in this situation! I guess these ratio speak for itself.
PS: I emailed 2 months ago to Spa Cash asking them if they banned my IP because I couldn`t see their page. I still wait for their answer




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