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m0rph3us · 10-05-2002, 04:46 PM

Does it seem that IBILL and CCBILL increased scrubbing over the last few days? Signups are about 30% lower than they used to be before Oct 2nd. I've noticed this across 3 paysites using CCBILL or IBILL as processors

XXXPaysiteDesign · 10-05-2002, 04:55 PM

Yes, I've noticed this as well.

Shoplifter · 10-05-2002, 05:01 PM

Actually I'm up a bit with Ibill.

Seeing as they don't disclose what was declined it is pretty hard to make this assumption.

Shark · 10-05-2002, 09:41 PM

Since the 1St of this month, all of a sudden my Ibill signups dropped to a very unusual low also..

Amputate Your Head · 10-05-2002, 09:41 PM

lots of declines though..... woohoo!

stevo · 10-05-2002, 09:43 PM

Traffics up & signups are down grrrrr probably just a coincidence though...

greentea · 10-05-2002, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Does it seem that IBILL and CCBILL increased scrubbing over the last few days?

Try the last 6-10 months...

Webby · 10-05-2002, 09:46 PM

Wot to companies do when they are up shit creek?? Cumon.. we should "know" this one by now????

ozzymandius · 10-05-2002, 09:50 PM

Shit!! Maybe they are starting to skim!

Time to try:

Somalia-bill

A great biller located in an international jurisdiction and protected by a truckload of emancipated, ak-47 wielding guerillas!

greentea · 10-05-2002, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
Wot to companies do when they are up shit creek?? Cumon.. we should "know" this one by now????

Why of course they pass it onto the webmasters and end up fucking them with no lube..

Mr.Fiction · 10-05-2002, 09:58 PM

I'm waiting for the post from the guy who always says:

Hell no, we are seeing record sales. We are paying out over one million dollars a month. There is no such thing as summer slowdown. Our chargeback ratio is negative 99%, uptime is 108%, 2500 signups on each TGP Gallery, anyone who's having problems just doesn't know how to run a company, we are the best, yeah we good, everyone else bad!

insidethegame · 10-05-2002, 10:09 PM

How do ya think there gonna keep LOW chargeback ratios..Increase the scrub..the fun will start when sponsors start cancelling accounts of free site webmasters for THEIR chargeback ratios bein bad ...only sound business practice in this environment.

Snake Doctor · 10-05-2002, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
I'm waiting for the post from the guy who always says:

Hell no, we are seeing record sales. We are paying out over one million dollars a month. There is no such thing as summer slowdown. Our chargeback ratio is negative 99%, uptime is 108%, 2500 signups on each TGP Gallery, anyone who's having problems just doesn't know how to run a company, we are the best, yeah we good, everyone else bad!

How did you know I was going to say that?

Insidethegame :
Sponsors have been doing that every day for years now.

Rocky · 10-05-2002, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
I'm waiting for the post from the guy who always says:

Hell no, we are seeing record sales. We are paying out over one million dollars a month. There is no such thing as summer slowdown. Our chargeback ratio is negative 99%, uptime is 108%, 2500 signups on each TGP Gallery, anyone who's having problems just doesn't know how to run a company, we are the best, yeah we good, everyone else bad!

m0rph3us · 10-05-2002, 11:05 PM

hahah that's funny but on a serious note, this is not a good sign. Signups are horrible ever since oct 2nd. I don't know if this is a coincidence or not. I'm not talking about a tgp gallery that did 1:100000 and now it doing 1:99999999, but different source of traffic kept level across all days, that now yield less signups.

4eym · 10-06-2002, 01:19 AM

m0rph3us,

you aren't the only one experiencing declining signups over the last few days. The time frame matches exactly to when my signups started to plummet. Though these times are painful to go through, it is slightly comforting to know that I am not the only one going through this shit.

El Demonio · 10-06-2002, 01:29 AM

I got the same shit an all my sites and all my processors.

As for my experience, it is the usual VISAnet shit pulling

Carrie · 10-06-2002, 01:31 AM

With all of the sites hopping over to Glo-bill by the hundreds, they've got to make the money back somehow...
*passing out the aftershave to sooth the burn*

Shark · 10-06-2002, 01:33 AM

Yeah I have always ignored posts about signups being up and down etc,

I've been doing this stuff since the beginning of porn on the net and know the deal, but this was very perculiar to see the signups drop sharply on oct 1 , stay there for 4 days and then go back to an average number again.
I am on stable traffic, from my own multiple sources, I am not using paid traffic at all and traffic was the same on these days as it has always been recently on average.

As far as I know there is no way Ive seeing how many declines there were via the CMI is there?

Another thing I'm not sure on, and this probably is my non-understanding of the cmi reports, is how, when I calendar map each days signups from the CMI for performance tracking, then at the end of each month I add all the signups recorded each day and its always quite a few signups less than what is shown in the "Monthly Revenue Sales Report " in the signups column...

A number of the signups recorded on the day to day reports seem to vanish into thin air when the month is totalled, has anybody else noticed this ?

El Demonio · 10-06-2002, 01:35 AM

Yes, i have wsb as one of my processors and it happened there too

El Demonio · 10-06-2002, 01:40 AM

Yes Shark! i noticed that

I have a simple system to track the tricky CMI, i include and IMG SRC code on each webgood page at ibill, that code is a cgi that track every signup, with trans ID, sub ID, user and pass, and even when CMI reports a low number of signups on some of my sites my data says i have more.

And it is real because i have trans and sub #'s

I also can see the declines made by Ibill and WSB, i put a counter on their decline page, so everytime they decline, the counter ticks, and gues what? normal decline ratios are 170% to 300%!!!

Jizar II · 10-06-2002, 01:52 AM

I saw this too on our site, and this is with jettis.. WTF

chupacabra · 10-06-2002, 02:08 AM

i too have noticed a sharp decrease in sign-ups during the discussed period on our sites... we use ccBill exclusively, and have had some sign-ups, but they are very low for a weekend period. we are also seeing a few declines, not many of those either however. I don't think it is any sort of shaving, as we run scripts to monitor and log changes to the .htpasswd, and no 'rogue' accounts have been appearing... don't know why the consumers would be spending any differently due to the VISA situation, i doubt few others are worrying about it like we are. just a sign of the economy and uncertain political state? don't these people still know that porn consumption will help them sleep better?

Terenzo · 10-06-2002, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by El Demonio
Yes Shark! i noticed that

I have a simple system to track the tricky CMI, i include and IMG SRC code on each webgood page at ibill, that code is a cgi that track every signup, with trans ID, sub ID, user and pass, and even when CMI reports a low number of signups on some of my sites my data says i have more.

And it is real because i have trans and sub #'s

I also can see the declines made by Ibill and WSB, i put a counter on their decline page, so everytime they decline, the counter ticks, and gues what? normal decline ratios are 170% to 300%!!!

Intresting stuff, we just broker se-traffic, we cannot see what you see, of course, but i am seeing very poor ratios at the moment where ever cc is required, e-mail programs run strong ratios as well as dialers... we do not like dialers, but due to the cc problems we started using some programs, a popunder with 2 clickthroughs to the dialer downlaod without any false information.... it's amazing how well this works compared to the current cc-sites....

.:Frog:. · 10-06-2002, 04:32 AM

Switch if your losing money. I know you have your rebills, but think about the long term.
If you e-mail all your members and explain the situation its likely a good % will rejoin.

The big3 treat webmasters like shit, you know this though. Switch if you are unhappy or suck it up and live with the changes. It just seems silly to stick with a processor you dislike and complain all the time.

Webby · 10-06-2002, 05:41 AM

Mmm.. first time ever I'm getting shit emails like this:

i tried to become a member using my visa card
but it was declined.
i'm 26 from israel and i have an international visa card.
why was my card declined?

I don't believe in coincidences no more!

EscortBiz · 10-06-2002, 06:09 AM

Im only doing 1:2 with CollegeFuckFest with a listing on thehun :-(

What am I doing wrong?

Brad Mitchell · 10-06-2002, 06:33 AM

You guys that try to analyze your business over a period of 3 days worth of traffic crack me up. You need a larger statistical sampling than that.

Brad

gothweb · 10-06-2002, 07:09 AM

What Brad said.

In the last three days, my sales have jumped. Know what? Just a blip.

RonC · 10-06-2002, 09:21 AM

This is the reason for the wacky traffic patterns the last few days.

UUnet had a major outage on Thursday. They were having problems before, but it cascaded into a meltdown. I just hope that they get out of bankruptcy soon. Once BGP gets messed up it can take a week for things to return to normal.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/816663.asp

EscortBiz · 10-06-2002, 10:30 AM

thanks ron was not aware of that

10-05-2002, 04:46 PM	#1
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10-05-2002, 04:55 PM	#2
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10-05-2002, 11:05 PM	#15
m0rph3us Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Principality of Sealand Posts: 2,033	hahah that's funny but on a serious note, this is not a good sign. Signups are horrible ever since oct 2nd. I don't know if this is a coincidence or not. I'm not talking about a tgp gallery that did 1:100000 and now it doing 1:99999999, but different source of traffic kept level across all days, that now yield less signups. __________________ <font size="2" face="Tahoma"><a href="http://www.18blowjobs.com/webmasters/?640" target="_blank">Get paid $25 per signup</a> listing over <a href="http://galleries.18blowjobs.com/hosted.html" target="_blank">100 free hosted video galleries</a> - <a href="http://www.18blowjobs.com/webmasters/?640" target="_blank">Check it</a> » </font>

10-06-2002, 01:29 AM	#17
El Demonio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 237	I got the same shit an all my sites and all my processors. As for my experience, it is the usual VISAnet shit pulling __________________ WE ARE ALL ONE CIRCLE, NO BEGINNING, NO END.

10-05-2002, 05:01 PM	#3
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,730	Actually I'm up a bit with Ibill. Seeing as they don't disclose what was declined it is pretty hard to make this assumption.

10-05-2002, 09:41 PM	#4
Shark Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 205	Since the 1St of this month, all of a sudden my Ibill signups dropped to a very unusual low also..

10-05-2002, 09:43 PM	#6
stevo Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 2,051	Traffics up & signups are down grrrrr probably just a coincidence though...

10-05-2002, 09:46 PM	#8
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Wot to companies do when they are up shit creek?? Cumon.. we should "know" this one by now????

10-05-2002, 09:50 PM	#9
ozzymandius Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 111	Shit!! Maybe they are starting to skim! Time to try: Somalia-bill A great biller located in an international jurisdiction and protected by a truckload of emancipated, ak-47 wielding guerillas!

10-05-2002, 09:58 PM	#11
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	I'm waiting for the post from the guy who always says: Hell no, we are seeing record sales. We are paying out over one million dollars a month. There is no such thing as summer slowdown. Our chargeback ratio is negative 99%, uptime is 108%, 2500 signups on each TGP Gallery, anyone who's having problems just doesn't know how to run a company, we are the best, yeah we good, everyone else bad!

10-05-2002, 10:09 PM	#12
insidethegame Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 117	How do ya think there gonna keep LOW chargeback ratios..Increase the scrub..the fun will start when sponsors start cancelling accounts of free site webmasters for THEIR chargeback ratios bein bad ...only sound business practice in this environment.

10-06-2002, 01:19 AM	#16
4eym Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 104	m0rph3us, you aren't the only one experiencing declining signups over the last few days. The time frame matches exactly to when my signups started to plummet. Though these times are painful to go through, it is slightly comforting to know that I am not the only one going through this shit.

10-06-2002, 01:31 AM	#18
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	With all of the sites hopping over to Glo-bill by the hundreds, they've got to make the money back somehow... passing out the aftershave to sooth the burn

10-06-2002, 01:33 AM	#19
Shark Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 205	Yeah I have always ignored posts about signups being up and down etc, I've been doing this stuff since the beginning of porn on the net and know the deal, but this was very perculiar to see the signups drop sharply on oct 1 , stay there for 4 days and then go back to an average number again. I am on stable traffic, from my own multiple sources, I am not using paid traffic at all and traffic was the same on these days as it has always been recently on average. As far as I know there is no way Ive seeing how many declines there were via the CMI is there? Another thing I'm not sure on, and this probably is my non-understanding of the cmi reports, is how, when I calendar map each days signups from the CMI for performance tracking, then at the end of each month I add all the signups recorded each day and its always quite a few signups less than what is shown in the "Monthly Revenue Sales Report " in the signups column... A number of the signups recorded on the day to day reports seem to vanish into thin air when the month is totalled, has anybody else noticed this ?

10-06-2002, 01:35 AM	#20
El Demonio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 237	Yes, i have wsb as one of my processors and it happened there too __________________ WE ARE ALL ONE CIRCLE, NO BEGINNING, NO END.

10-06-2002, 01:40 AM	#21
El Demonio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 237	Yes Shark! i noticed that I have a simple system to track the tricky CMI, i include and IMG SRC code on each webgood page at ibill, that code is a cgi that track every signup, with trans ID, sub ID, user and pass, and even when CMI reports a low number of signups on some of my sites my data says i have more. And it is real because i have trans and sub #'s I also can see the declines made by Ibill and WSB, i put a counter on their decline page, so everytime they decline, the counter ticks, and gues what? normal decline ratios are 170% to 300%!!! __________________ WE ARE ALL ONE CIRCLE, NO BEGINNING, NO END.

10-06-2002, 01:52 AM	#22
Jizar II Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: LLL© Posts: 1,425	I saw this too on our site, and this is with jettis.. WTF

10-06-2002, 02:08 AM	#23
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	i too have noticed a sharp decrease in sign-ups during the discussed period on our sites... we use ccBill exclusively, and have had some sign-ups, but they are very low for a weekend period. we are also seeing a few declines, not many of those either however. I don't think it is any sort of shaving, as we run scripts to monitor and log changes to the .htpasswd, and no 'rogue' accounts have been appearing... don't know why the consumers would be spending any differently due to the VISA situation, i doubt few others are worrying about it like we are. just a sign of the economy and uncertain political state? don't these people still know that porn consumption will help them sleep better?

10-06-2002, 04:32 AM	#25
.:Frog:. Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ~ C A N A D A ~ Posts: 2,123	Switch if your losing money. I know you have your rebills, but think about the long term. If you e-mail all your members and explain the situation its likely a good % will rejoin. The big3 treat webmasters like shit, you know this though. Switch if you are unhappy or suck it up and live with the changes. It just seems silly to stick with a processor you dislike and complain all the time. __________________ <a href="http://www.pornopayouts.com/?rid=pp3076">PornoPayouts</a> Tons of Hosted Galleries.

10-06-2002, 05:41 AM	#26
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Mmm.. first time ever I'm getting shit emails like this: i tried to become a member using my visa card but it was declined. i'm 26 from israel and i have an international visa card. why was my card declined? I don't believe in coincidences no more!

10-06-2002, 06:09 AM	#27
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10-06-2002, 06:33 AM	#28
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	You guys that try to analyze your business over a period of 3 days worth of traffic crack me up. You need a larger statistical sampling than that. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

10-06-2002, 07:09 AM	#29
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	What Brad said. In the last three days, my sales have jumped. Know what? Just a blip. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-06-2002, 09:21 AM	#30
RonC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 236	This is the reason for the wacky traffic patterns the last few days. UUnet had a major outage on Thursday. They were having problems before, but it cascaded into a meltdown. I just hope that they get out of bankruptcy soon. Once BGP gets messed up it can take a week for things to return to normal. http://www.msnbc.com/news/816663.asp

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