Webcams.com Runs a Youtube site with Full movies

[Tjeezers]

Hello

I found www.thatfreesite.com property of webcams.com
They have a youtube production online with long play movies.
Portal is stuffed with categories and 1000s of full movies.

I asked webcams.com why they do this, they say it is for testing purposes to test what sells best of a sponsor

Movies are from 10 minutes to 45 minutes.

Is this legal?

[L-Pink]

The sleeze never ends ..... testing purposes hahaha

[tony286]

makes me want to throw up

[FlexxAeon]

jeezus...

[Tjeezers]

Jago Webcams.com (12-2-2008 22:08):
that is called testing to see how well it works with what sponsors

[stickyfingerz]

Hello

I found www.thatfreesite.com property of webcams.com
They have a youtube production online with long play movies.
Portal is stuffed with categories and 1000s of full movies.

I asked webcams.com why they do this, they say it is for testing purposes to test what sells best of a sponsor

Movies are from 10 minutes to 45 minutes.

Is this legal?

Looked to me like most of the long movies were all the intro portion of the videos and very little actual porn there. And who owns the sites for the vids? Looked like mostly same sites. Just cause its a video site doesnt mean shit is bad.

If I own the rights to a video I can give it away if I want right?

[Fat Panda]

here we go

[Fat Panda]

takes me to freeporn.com . . what a great domain name!

[Fap]

eh its the new thing it looks like

[pornask]

somebody fill me in - why do those full vid "porn sites" have social bookmarking buttons like digg, del.icio.us, etc there. I thought those social bookmarks didn't accept adult content :

[OzMan]

ok now bend over.... and don't worry, this is just for testing purposes.

[TampaToker]

Actually i don't see a problem with what webcams.com is doing. If sponsors allow them to use there content like then the affiliate needs to take up the problem with the sponsor. First page i see nastydollars stuff if they let them use it as a affiliate i would be pissed. Now im just curious if webcams.com is using the user submitted loop hole on this deal...

[pr0]

damn that site looks dope!

and its obviously legit...all the videos are stamped & not user submitted

i think you got some bogus info...i saw you post on another board earlier today....seems like you got a hard on for webcams

[L-Pink]

Now im just curious if webcams.com is using the user submitted loop hole on this deal...

[PR_Sebas]

seems like more and more people are going the way of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"

[OzMan]

damn that site looks dope!

and its obviously legit...all the videos are stamped & not user submitted

i think you got some bogus info...i saw you post on another board earlier today....seems like you got a hard on for webcams

legit as in they have permission so all is good?

- It's cool for Webcams.com to give away their own long videos free but not let their affiliates do it?

-It's cool for other sponsors to let Webcams.com use their long videos but not let other affiliates do it?

-It's just cool to give away long videos to surfers?

or all of the above?

[stickyfingerz]

legit as in they have permission so all is good?

- It's cool for Webcams.com to give away their own long videos free but not let their affiliates do it?

-It's cool for other sponsors to let Webcams.com use their long videos but not let other affiliates do it?

-It's just cool to give away long videos to surfers?

or all of the above?

If someone has the right to do it, then I guess they can do it. All the rest is opinion.

[pr0]

legit as in they have permission so all is good?

- It's cool for Webcams.com to give away their own long videos free but not let their affiliates do it?

-It's cool for other sponsors to let Webcams.com use their long videos but not let other affiliates do it?

-It's just cool to give away long videos to surfers?

or all of the above?

who do you work for? what do you do? do you have 1 company who can vouch for you as to being in the business?

[pr0]

nevermind...obviously you know ice & send sales to playboy

still whats with all the hatoraide?

[will76]

Hello

I found www.thatfreesite.com property of webcams.com
They have a youtube production online with long play movies.
Portal is stuffed with categories and 1000s of full movies.

I asked webcams.com why they do this, they say it is for testing purposes to test what sells best of a sponsor

Movies are from 10 minutes to 45 minutes.

Is this legal?

Is this legal? Who owns movieroom? does webcams.com own it? if not does webcams.com have permission to from the owners of movieroom.com to use their content. If yes, then it is legal.

If they own the content or have the sponsor's permission to use the content then its case closed. If they want to show 2 hour long videos they own or have permission to use they can do what the hell they want.

They are obviously trying to see if they can make money with a tube site. Oh look they have AFF banners. All of you people who touch AFF, i hope you burn in hell.

[HouseHead]

damn that site looks dope!

and its obviously legit...all the videos are stamped & not user submitted

i think you got some bogus info...i saw you post on another board earlier today....seems like you got a hard on for webcams

thats what im sayin.

[JFK]

ok now bend over.... and don't worry, this is just for testing purposes.

[will76]

seems like more and more people are going the way of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"

if it is legal, its called trying to stay ahead of the game and making money. A lot of people here don't like legl tube sites, but if people are making money with them and more and more doing it, you can either complain about it and watch your sales suffer or you can try to make changes to adapt to it.


i have a big problem with the sites who steal content and use it to make money. I have no problem with sites who own the content or have permission to use it.

What is happening here is that picture and videos are becoming advertising tools for interactive membership sites, cam sites, and dating sites. If you own a picture and video site with no interaction then you are being squeezed out of business. Unfortunetly there is no way to stop it.

Tube sites are the final step in the evolution of picture and videos being used for promotional purposes to make upsells. It started with 10 pictures on a tgp - > 4 video clips 30 seconds long on a MGP page -> tube sites with 2min - full video clips.

[will76]

legit as in they have permission so all is good?

- It's cool for Webcams.com to give away their own long videos free but not let their affiliates do it?

-It's cool for other sponsors to let Webcams.com use their long videos but not let other affiliates do it?

-It's just cool to give away long videos to surfers?

or all of the above?

cool ? no, but their decission to do so. It's not like they are stealling from their affiliates or other affiliates.

I see the same as a company saying we are the only ones who can bid on our domain name, our affiliates can not bid on our domain name. I don't think that is cool, but they aren't fucking anyone with a decission like that.

[Zorgman]

I don't get this. I checked the site out and found a "we live together" video. But the only adverts on the page were to webcams.com and some text adverts to other paysites. No link at all to We live together - Nasty Dollars.

If you use a paysite content you should atleast have a fucken link to their site.

[Tjeezers]

Need more input on this.

[OzMan]

who do you work for? what do you do? do you have 1 company who can vouch for you as to being in the business?

I'm a nobody so you don't need to answer the questions.

[Shaze]

yes!!! more free full length clips for me to masturbate tooo!!! keep em coming guys!! i love the porn industry...can someone start burning full length porn DVD's for me also and host them on your streaming server???

[Shaze]

Free Porn For Everyone!!!

[bashbug]

didnt think webcams.com owned freeporn.com

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

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[OzMan]

cool ? no, but their decission to do so. It's not like they are stealling from their affiliates or other affiliates.

I see the same as a company saying we are the only ones who can bid on our domain name, our affiliates can not bid on our domain name. I don't think that is cool, but they aren't fucking anyone with a decission like that.

I think it is pretty close to stealing if they can offer a lot more free content direct to the surfer or allow only certain affiliates to do so openly.

This is basically taking sales away from affiliates.

Say if Clickcash paid me the same as you but my surfers didn't need to enter CC info to join. Would you say "not cool but up to them" or would you be screaming foul. Not the same situation but I hope you see where I'm coming from.

or if you went to Ifriends directly, not thru' an affiliate link they would give you a 10 hour credit if you signed up there... would your sales be affected?

Basically what I'm saying is it doesn't seem fair for a company to be directly offering so much free content to surfers but not letting all it's affiliates do the same. I don't see that the same as non compete on domain name and other keywords.

Also as was stated earlier it seems weird that a company would let its content be used and be quite happy with other companies banners on the same page?

Seems it would have the same negative affect on us as affiliates as a torrent site or illegal tube site that has content for free that we are trying to get the surfer to pay for would have.

Yes I need to "evolve or die" etc not saying I'm not but it appears in this particular case the affiliates are being cut out of the deal.

[John.]

nevermind...obviously you know ice & send sales to playboy

still whats with all the hatoraide?

Maybe you should write your posts but wait 10-15 minutes before pressing the button each time.

[Pornwolf]

After clicking a few links I can say it's definitely a different slant on the whole Tube Model.

[will76]

I think it is pretty close to stealing if they can offer a lot more free content direct to the surfer or allow only certain affiliates to do so openly.

This is basically taking sales away from affiliates.

Say if Clickcash paid me the same as you but my surfers didn't need to enter CC info to join. Would you say "not cool but up to them" or would you be screaming foul. Not the same situation but I hope you see where I'm coming from.

or if you went to Ifriends directly, not thru' an affiliate link they would give you a 10 hour credit if you signed up there... would your sales be affected?

Basically what I'm saying is it doesn't seem fair for a company to be directly offering so much free content to surfers but not letting all it's affiliates do the same. I don't see that the same as non compete on domain name and other keywords.

Also as was stated earlier it seems weird that a company would let its content be used and be quite happy with other companies banners on the same page?

Seems it would have the same negative affect on us as affiliates as a torrent site or illegal tube site that has content for free that we are trying to get the surfer to pay for would have.

Yes I need to "evolve or die" etc not saying I'm not but it appears in this particular case the affiliates are being cut out of the deal.

Fair ? just don't use that company then. If the affiliates are being cut out, then they should move on to a better deal and not promote that company. That is such a simple and obvious solution you wouldnt think anyone would have to mention it.

There is a HUGE difference in what you are talking about here.

Point 1: if a company offers one thing to one affiliate and something less to you, then don't promote them. Thats not stealling. Some companies pay certain affiliates more per sale then they do others, is that stealing from the person who is paid less, no? is it fair ? If you don't like their policies don't use them.

The things I have problem with is companies who's policies steal from everyone else, whether is black and white such as with stolen content, or by using spyware to steal traffic. If clickcash offers you more money than me, or they offer their own traffic $10 free, fine. I decided if I want to use them or another company. No big deal. I might think it is shitty but shitty and stealing are two totally different things.

Point 2: Giving away content is not stealling if the company giving it away owns it or has rights to use it. It's not even close to stealing. If i give away a 10 minute clip and I make sales because of it, I am making sales. The more sales i make the less you make. In theory then, every sale I make would be stealling because that is one less sale you would make. It's called sales and marketing. 30 seconds videos, 2 min videos, 2 hour videos, if people want to use long videos, and they own the video, and they can make money from doing it, more power to them. They are not stealing from you. If they do it with stolen content then it is a different story.

[pr0]

Maybe you should write your posts but wait 10-15 minutes before pressing the button each time.

because combating crying ass bitches is a full time job

and I've got the day job too ya know

[Why]

this thread makes me laugh, so do you people just hate ALL tubes sites or just too stupid to know the differance between the ones that use the content legally and the ones that dont. of course sponsors give longer promo clips to webcams, they own freeporn.com and that in theory would mean a lot of traffic for me as a sponsor if i give in and make them a few extra long clips.

[Violetta]

the sky is falling...

[hand-held]

Heh heh heh...

http://freeporn.com/static/pages/2257.php

403 Forbidden

Request forbidden -- authorization will not help

Page handler: None
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/CherryPy-2.2.1-py2.4.egg/cherrypy/_cphttptools.py", line 103, in _run
    applyFilters('before_main')
  File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/CherryPy-2.2.1-py2.4.egg/cherrypy/filters/__init__.py", line 151, in applyFilters
    method()
  File "/home/webcams/freeporn.com/tfs/controllers.py", line 93, in before_main
    raise cherrypy.HTTPError(403)
HTTPError: 403

Powered by CherryPy 2.2.1

[OzMan]

If you don't like their policies don't use them.

Well that is the answer to everything of course but doesn't really address the problem. The definition of stealing also varies with how you look at it. Most concerns affiliates have with sponsors are indeed about being fair rather than the sponsor doing something illegal and are posted in the hope (sig views aside) that the sponsor will correct the problem or at least explain their position so that the affiliate won't have to drop them or other sponsors doing the same thing.

I would like to hear Webcams.com reasoning behind the site. If the site was in the affiliate tools area as a ready made cobranded tube site with randomized videos with my codes etc I would love it but I'm lazy like that. They've been on the cutting edge before with the ability to customize feeds and videos better than anyone else so who knows maybe this really is a "test" of some sorts.

Actually that will probably be the next thing lazy affiliates are demanding from sponsors. It only took most of them two to three years to provide rss feeds or even hosted blogs so expect most sponsors to have plug in tube sites for affiliates sometime around 2010... if there are any non dating/cam sites left by then that is

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

When is all this free shit going to stop??? This is horrible.

[Zorgman]

expect most sponsors to have plug in tube sites for affiliates sometime around 2010...

Don't you mean 2008. We're closer then you think!

[Tjeezers]

What they do, I can do also

But would my sponsors be happy?

[Tjeezers]

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[Klen]

Huh,they have aff and fling ads at same time.

[Tjeezers]

Webcams.com are amateurs

I say this personally, cause i find a sponsor who needs this tactics, low, dirty and smelly

No respect for people like that

Dogs..... that is what they are

[PornMogul]

wow thread of the year! seriously. This is fuckin huge. Freeporn.com, and webcams.com, FUCK man. Seriously webcams.com hit me up! lol

[Tjeezers]

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I wait for replay of Jago

Jago, Why dont you tell to everyone here what you told me on ICQ
Or don`t you have balls?

Common boy, put your hands where your mouth is and make a stand
Otherwise i keep on bumping and bumping!!!!!!!!!!!

Soon i go the board(s) where you guys brag about yourself.

[Tjeezers]

Spice it up a little


Jago Webcams stealer (12-2-2008 22:08):
that is called testing to see how well it works with what sponsors

Jago Webcams stealer (12-2-2008 22:08):
just because thats whats there now doesnt mean thats whats going to stay

Harry AWMS-Network (12-2-2008 22:08):
testing is really the weakest excuse i heard

Jago Webcams stealer (12-2-2008 22:08):
ok harry im blocking you if you cant be reasonable


Jago, you really can do all you want
but being responsible is something you have not learned
Whats up with you man?

[Tjeezers]

Huh,they have aff and fling ads at same time.

Thats called testing
to see what works

I wish to know on what traffic they test?