CCBills comments on Globill - GoFuckYourself.com

Candyman69 · 10-04-2002, 05:34 PM

I am sure the reason Clay (Epoch) responded the way he did is due to the fact that Visa is taking this issue very seriously. Along with the fact we have all seen Visa's email response to Globill claim's. Lets just say Visa does not have the same opinion as Globill. Last time I checked it was still Visa cards we were talking about not Globill cards.

quoted from ron c of CCBill

globill got a reply for this ??

Honeyslut · 10-04-2002, 06:21 PM

where's this email response from Visa at ?

JOP · 10-04-2002, 06:38 PM

What VISA email? It´s getting hard not to miss something here

with these 10000 billing threads.

heymatty · 10-04-2002, 06:46 PM

Well that email was in the ISPS's inbox not ours, I am staying with ccbill because I have rebills.

But I would still like to read the contents of the email regarding visas opinion of globills 'solution'.

A.Martin · 10-04-2002, 08:10 PM

There has been no email from Visa concerning Glo-Bill's policies.

Glo-Bill has already responded in the original thread to Mr. Cadwell's statements:

Quote:

Originally posted by A.Martin

Excuse me, Mr. Cadwell, but what email are you referring to when you state "Visa's email response to Globill claim's"?

If you are referring to posts of Visa's new regulations on this board, then that is fine. If you are alleging that there has been some specific email correspondence between Visa and Glo-Bill, concerning any statements or policies specific to Glo-Bill, then that is not fine as there has been no such communication, let alone anything posted to this board to that effect.

I will assume that you are simply referring to posts concerning the new regs and I apologize if I seem to have some ruffled feathers. If you are referring to anything else, please let us know.

At this point we are awaiting further clarification from Mr. Cadwell. We are interested if he has anything further to say on this matter. If not, we will let the matter drop with my statement above being the final word. If not, then we will read any follow-up posts and respond accordingly.

wonton · 10-04-2002, 08:35 PM

LOL!!

Sounds like CCBill is getting pretty desparate to start posting blatant trash talk about another processor. I hope globill sues his ass off.

It doesn't surprise me, though. So far the big three turds, iBill, CCBill and Epoch have handled this whole situation all wrong. i don't know who designed their public relations campaign but whoever it was should be shot. Or maybe they came up with these brilliant ideas themselves:

- conspire to price-fix fees at $750 across the industry
- fuck webmasters up the ass with strong-arm tactics
- release the news on a public board first before contacting clients
- threaten webmasters that they won't be welcome back if they leave
- fuck webmasters up the ass one last time just for the hell of it

The only processors with any common sense, decency and gentleman like attitude have been:

- Globill
- Jettis

The Unholy Alliance of iBill, CCBill and Epoch can kiss my hairy ass!

Jon · 10-04-2002, 08:37 PM

actually i think it's more like:

if you are a smaller paysite you should go with-

- Globill
- Jettis

But if you have the cash and backing for the merchant and your own stats and just want freedom from the 13%-15% fees then go for the damn

- Merchant

ozzymandius · 10-04-2002, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

The Unholy Alliance of iBill, CCBill and Epoch can kiss my hairy ass!

Ha! Ha! You took the words right out of my mouth Wonton

Fuck 'em

Fuck 'em with a maggot-filled, overly ripe, mushy, oversized Chiquita bannana!!!!

KingK7 · 10-04-2002, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

- conspire to price-fix fees at $750 across the industry

Isnt there a law against this in the US? Not real important, but...

ozzymandius · 10-04-2002, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KingK7

Isnt there a law against this in the US? Not real important, but...

Hell yes! But the Big Three probably thought everyone in the industry would just shut the fuck up and follow their lead. They did not count on globill, jettis, psw refusing to play ball with the billing-mafia. They probably also thought that the government is so busy fighting terrorists that they won't have time to investigate, regulate and fine some price-fixing internet companies servicing the porn industry.

Fuck 'em

Fuck 'em with a disease-ridden, blue-cheese-stuffed decomposed gerbil.

Yes... THAT gerbil. Sorry Mr. Gere!

RonC · 10-04-2002, 09:55 PM

A. Martin

First let me apologize it was late in the day when I posted that. I did not mean anything disrespectful to your company. I was trying to answer a question as to why Clay may have come across so harsh in is post to some.

All IPSP have been struggling with these new rules, to get out the most accurate information to our customers as possible so that they can make the most informed business decisions.

Your companies interpretations regarding the rules on Registration, Fees, Cross boarder processing, reporting etc.. is completely different that what every other IPSP has stated.

For this reason we ask Visa directly if we were missing something, since all of us would love to avoid these new rules if possible. What I was referring to earlier was Visa.com email response back to us (and other IPSP with this question) regarding your interpretations of their new rules. It appears that you have been mis-informed by your acquiring bank as to what they will be allowed to do by Visa. As much as I wished we were all wrong and your were right, it does not appear that Visa sees it that way.

Martin I highly respect your company and I know that you only want to best serve your customers. I would be happy to send you a copy of the email since you are an IPSP, but it is not appropriate to post here

Ron C
CEO, CCBill.com
[email protected]

ExpertSeries · 10-04-2002, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by ozzymandius

Fuck 'em with a disease-ridden, blue-cheese-stuffed decomposed gerbil.

Ozzy, OMG... regardless of what anyone's talking about, that has to be the funniest post I've seen yet! Check out our scammy guy on the homepage. I'd consider the gerbil as a different photo.. but I don't think anyone would keep their lunch down.

A.Martin · 10-04-2002, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RonC
A. Martin

First let me apologize it was late in the day when I posted that. I did not mean anything disrespectful to your company. I was trying to answer a question as to why Clay may have come across so harsh in is post to some.............

Ron C
CEO, CCBill.com
[email protected]

Hi Ron,

Thank you for clarifying your earlier post. It is much appreciated and no apologies are necessary.

I respect the fact that you have further examined the regulations with your acquiring bank and have reaffirmed your interpretations of the new rules. I think it is also safe to say that each of our companies has chosen a different strategy in dealing with the new paradigm in the industry. CCBill appears confident that it has chosen the right path, as is Glo-Bill. I guess we can only leave it at that and see how things play out for all over the course of the next few months and years.

As I have mentioned before, I am very confident that both CCBill and Glo-Bill will continue to serve the industry, for many years to come, with only the highest standards of ethics, intelligence and professionalism. Your reputation in this industry as both a gentleman and an astute businessman speaks for itself.

Thanks again for the clarification.

hyper · 10-04-2002, 11:16 PM

so ccbill asked visa why they have to pay and globill doesnt??
ahh this oughta be good

wonton · 10-04-2002, 11:30 PM

Well, it looks like they have kissed and made up.

Too bad! I was hoping for some serious billing company smackdown action. It would have been a glorious, mud slinging, bruiser of a battle, an Epic struggle that woulda lived in infamy until the end of time!!!

Now all i got for entertainment is my weenie and the latest issue of Barely Legal. Oh well. Time to spend some quality time with myself.

sweetcuties · 10-04-2002, 11:39 PM

For Ron...

Does this affect the adult book stores and anything adult related? If not, I think it's hypocritical on visa's part

Honeyslut · 10-05-2002, 12:05 AM

Martin I highly respect your company and I know that you only want to best serve your customers. I would be happy to send you a copy of the email since you are an IPSP, but it is not appropriate to post here

Ron C
CEO, CCBill.com
[email protected]
=================

OH, but it is only appropriate to mention it..

hehehe

Paul Markham · 10-05-2002, 12:11 AM

The Credit Card companies could stop fraud tomorrow if they wanted to, the truth is they earn out of it and have no incentive to stop it.

When purchasing with my Czech Charge cards, I have to punch in my PIN number on a direct link to the CC company, it's an extension of the swipe machine. Therefore only I can use my Czech Credit cards.

When my wallet was stolen from the studio, the only cards that were charged were the US and UK ones.

This system was introduced by the Czech banks to ensure no CC fraud. It works, fraud levels were ridiculous before this system.

It does not have to be your PIN, but a 2-4 digit code that verifies you are the user of the card. Then a chargeback is only allowed within a certain period or receiving the product. A lot of the auction charge backs are due to the goods not being as advertised.

The problem is that only 1/3 of fraudulent charges are reported. The CC company earns every time a fraudulent charge is made, they earn again when it is charged back. Therefore no incentive to reduce it. What ever the industry, auctions to adult.

Can you imagine the CEO facing his annual shareholders meeting and saying ?I have reduced fraud to 10% of it's previous level and by doing so has reduced our profits by 5%?. *These figures are examples*

andi_germany · 10-05-2002, 02:20 AM

Glo-Bill had me make a hard laugh already today.

They have a message board for webmasters and they answered questions about the whole situation. First thing they state:

Please don't post any of this to a public message board. We don't want our competitors to hear.

The thing to do to read that board is to create a preview account and that requires 3 words to fill into a form. I am really thinking you are keeping your compeditors out ;)

Glo-Bill moved the banking offshore because like every biller they knew for months. They even posted the info on their board about a week before the shit hit the fan. You kept quiet for month also to try to make the most cash out of this situation. Why should I come to give you the money? VISA in your offshore area does not have the regulations as of yet but how long might that stay? So we switch over now although you stated that it might change in the future? All you are doing is earning a lot of money now and hope you won't loose much of the pie when the new regulations will be in your offshore juristiction with a delay.

Brown Bear · 10-05-2002, 02:24 AM

what country is the offshore location that Glo-Bill has a merchant bank?

Serge_Oprano · 10-05-2002, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by A.Martin

I think it is also safe to say that each of our companies has chosen a different strategy in dealing with the new paradigm in the industry. .

hahahaahhaha,
last time I heard this words "new paradigm" was during the internet stock market boom,
and we all know what happened to "new paradigm economy".

A Martin,
are you one of those "Yale graduates" who led to the collapse of the non-adult internet industry?

You sound slick enough to be one of those Ivy Leaguers,
VERY smooth talk,
which would make CEO of pets.com and Dr.Koop.com proud.

tell me that I am wrong...

andi_germany · 10-05-2002, 03:35 AM

No clue about the exact location but I haven't read all the messages there. Just signup for a preview account at Glo-Bill and check for yourself.

Another thing having me wonder is that there are no Terms of conditions I have seen yet anywhere. They must be hidden rather good and it would be nice to see the reasoning behind this.

Tipsy · 10-05-2002, 04:15 AM

One of the funniest things about this whole situation is that people will sit their and doubt or slag off a company that never gets into pissing mtaches on boards, is and always has been professional in it's approach and business methods, has been in the game for many years now and the worst anybody I've read has ever said about them in all that time is 'they scrub a bit hard'.

On the other hand so many are quite happy to sit back and believe companies obviously out to shaft them from day one.

Too funny :D

hypherion · 10-05-2002, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by andi_germany
No clue about the exact location but I haven't read all the messages there. Just signup for a preview account at Glo-Bill and check for yourself.

Another thing having me wonder is that there are no Terms of conditions I have seen yet anywhere. They must be hidden rather good and it would be nice to see the reasoning behind this.

I think it is germany. Wich would make sense since most of the VISA rules as they are explained to me by CCBILL would be completely illegal in the european union.

10-04-2002, 05:34 PM	#1
Candyman69 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 764	CCBills comments on Globill I am sure the reason Clay (Epoch) responded the way he did is due to the fact that Visa is taking this issue very seriously. Along with the fact we have all seen Visa's email response to Globill claim's. Lets just say Visa does not have the same opinion as Globill. Last time I checked it was still Visa cards we were talking about not Globill cards. quoted from ron c of CCBill globill got a reply for this ?? __________________ domain buyer

10-04-2002, 06:21 PM	#2
Honeyslut Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ass Valley, Ca Posts: 6,436	where's this email response from Visa at ? __________________ http://nakedlunchnews.comWhat's up ? Naked Lunch News !

10-04-2002, 06:38 PM	#3
JOP Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Europe Posts: 931	What VISA email? It´s getting hard not to miss something here with these 10000 billing threads. __________________ JOP

10-04-2002, 06:46 PM	#4
heymatty Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Scottsdale :) Posts: 2,188	Well that email was in the ISPS's inbox not ours, I am staying with ccbill because I have rebills. But I would still like to read the contents of the email regarding visas opinion of globills 'solution'. __________________ Cashlantis ~ Black Book Cash

10-04-2002, 08:37 PM	#7
Jon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 2,578	actually i think it's more like: if you are a smaller paysite you should go with- - Globill - Jettis But if you have the cash and backing for the merchant and your own stats and just want freedom from the 13%-15% fees then go for the damn - Merchant __________________ WickedFire.com - Stay here. We don't need more of you. Not unless you have money, then, fine...

10-04-2002, 08:35 PM	#6
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	LOL!! Sounds like CCBill is getting pretty desparate to start posting blatant trash talk about another processor. I hope globill sues his ass off. It doesn't surprise me, though. So far the big three turds, iBill, CCBill and Epoch have handled this whole situation all wrong. i don't know who designed their public relations campaign but whoever it was should be shot. Or maybe they came up with these brilliant ideas themselves: - conspire to price-fix fees at $750 across the industry - fuck webmasters up the ass with strong-arm tactics - release the news on a public board first before contacting clients - threaten webmasters that they won't be welcome back if they leave - fuck webmasters up the ass one last time just for the hell of it The only processors with any common sense, decency and gentleman like attitude have been: - Globill - Jettis The Unholy Alliance of iBill, CCBill and Epoch can kiss my hairy ass!

10-04-2002, 09:55 PM	#11
RonC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 236	A. Martin First let me apologize it was late in the day when I posted that. I did not mean anything disrespectful to your company. I was trying to answer a question as to why Clay may have come across so harsh in is post to some. All IPSP have been struggling with these new rules, to get out the most accurate information to our customers as possible so that they can make the most informed business decisions. Your companies interpretations regarding the rules on Registration, Fees, Cross boarder processing, reporting etc.. is completely different that what every other IPSP has stated. For this reason we ask Visa directly if we were missing something, since all of us would love to avoid these new rules if possible. What I was referring to earlier was Visa.com email response back to us (and other IPSP with this question) regarding your interpretations of their new rules. It appears that you have been mis-informed by your acquiring bank as to what they will be allowed to do by Visa. As much as I wished we were all wrong and your were right, it does not appear that Visa sees it that way. Martin I highly respect your company and I know that you only want to best serve your customers. I would be happy to send you a copy of the email since you are an IPSP, but it is not appropriate to post here Ron C CEO, CCBill.com [email protected]

10-04-2002, 10:08 PM	#12
ExpertSeries Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: pswbilling.com Posts: 23	Originally posted by ozzymandius Fuck 'em with a disease-ridden, blue-cheese-stuffed decomposed gerbil. Ozzy, OMG... regardless of what anyone's talking about, that has to be the funniest post I've seen yet! Check out our scammy guy on the homepage. I'd consider the gerbil as a different photo.. but I don't think anyone would keep their lunch down. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Last edited by ExpertSeries; 10-04-2002 at 10:09 PM..

10-04-2002, 11:16 PM	#14
hyper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Ass Posts: 5,294	so ccbill asked visa why they have to pay and globill doesnt?? ahh this oughta be good __________________

10-04-2002, 11:30 PM	#15
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	Well, it looks like they have kissed and made up. Too bad! I was hoping for some serious billing company smackdown action. It would have been a glorious, mud slinging, bruiser of a battle, an Epic struggle that woulda lived in infamy until the end of time!!! Now all i got for entertainment is my weenie and the latest issue of Barely Legal. Oh well. Time to spend some quality time with myself.

10-04-2002, 11:39 PM	#16
sweetcuties Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 5,859	For Ron... Does this affect the adult book stores and anything adult related? If not, I think it's hypocritical on visa's part __________________

10-05-2002, 12:05 AM	#17
Honeyslut Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ass Valley, Ca Posts: 6,436	Martin I highly respect your company and I know that you only want to best serve your customers. I would be happy to send you a copy of the email since you are an IPSP, but it is not appropriate to post here Ron C CEO, CCBill.com [email protected] ================= OH, but it is only appropriate to mention it.. hehehe __________________ http://nakedlunchnews.comWhat's up ? Naked Lunch News !

10-05-2002, 12:11 AM	#18
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	The Credit Card companies could stop fraud tomorrow if they wanted to, the truth is they earn out of it and have no incentive to stop it. When purchasing with my Czech Charge cards, I have to punch in my PIN number on a direct link to the CC company, it's an extension of the swipe machine. Therefore only I can use my Czech Credit cards. When my wallet was stolen from the studio, the only cards that were charged were the US and UK ones. This system was introduced by the Czech banks to ensure no CC fraud. It works, fraud levels were ridiculous before this system. It does not have to be your PIN, but a 2-4 digit code that verifies you are the user of the card. Then a chargeback is only allowed within a certain period or receiving the product. A lot of the auction charge backs are due to the goods not being as advertised. The problem is that only 1/3 of fraudulent charges are reported. The CC company earns every time a fraudulent charge is made, they earn again when it is charged back. Therefore no incentive to reduce it. What ever the industry, auctions to adult. Can you imagine the CEO facing his annual shareholders meeting and saying ?I have reduced fraud to 10% of it's previous level and by doing so has reduced our profits by 5%?. These figures are examples __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

10-05-2002, 02:20 AM	#19
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	Glo-Bill had me make a hard laugh already today. They have a message board for webmasters and they answered questions about the whole situation. First thing they state: Please don't post any of this to a public message board. We don't want our competitors to hear. The thing to do to read that board is to create a preview account and that requires 3 words to fill into a form. I am really thinking you are keeping your compeditors out ;) Glo-Bill moved the banking offshore because like every biller they knew for months. They even posted the info on their board about a week before the shit hit the fan. You kept quiet for month also to try to make the most cash out of this situation. Why should I come to give you the money? VISA in your offshore area does not have the regulations as of yet but how long might that stay? So we switch over now although you stated that it might change in the future? All you are doing is earning a lot of money now and hope you won't loose much of the pie when the new regulations will be in your offshore juristiction with a delay.

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Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	what country is the offshore location that Glo-Bill has a merchant bank? __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

10-05-2002, 03:35 AM	#22
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	No clue about the exact location but I haven't read all the messages there. Just signup for a preview account at Glo-Bill and check for yourself. Another thing having me wonder is that there are no Terms of conditions I have seen yet anywhere. They must be hidden rather good and it would be nice to see the reasoning behind this.

10-05-2002, 04:15 AM	#23
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	One of the funniest things about this whole situation is that people will sit their and doubt or slag off a company that never gets into pissing mtaches on boards, is and always has been professional in it's approach and business methods, has been in the game for many years now and the worst anybody I've read has ever said about them in all that time is 'they scrub a bit hard'. On the other hand so many are quite happy to sit back and believe companies obviously out to shaft them from day one. Too funny :D __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.