Is this business getting better or worse? - GoFuckYourself.com

DomBuyer · 10-04-2002, 02:34 PM

I continue to buy adult key-in domains, and I am paying multi-year revenues up front, and I wonder if I'm overpaying. The business looks very uncertain right now, what with increased competition, looming obscenity prosecutions, tons of free porn, and all kinds of other issues.

The more I read the boards and talk to the players, the more I wonder...

Thoughts?

ColKurtz · 10-04-2002, 02:41 PM

I think the shake out period is beginning.

I think in general the adult stuff has been very stale the last three years. Theres nothing new and surfers that have been around awhile are much smarter and know how to find free porn.

Way way to much free porn. And very hard stuff with no warning page etc.

Im shocked that some of these big companies put penetration and stuff on their free tours.

Most of the paysites run by these large programs are so cookie cutter and the member areas are shit.

I think eventually there will be a "killer app". Something along the lines of a virtual reality type thing where the surfer can feel like they are actually fucking the girl. Charge 100 bucks for a half hour of that.

By then though, most of the adult stuff will be controlled by a few companies.

But on the positive, the internet aint going anywhere, .com aint going anywhere, and there will always be some means to charge people.

DomBuyer · 10-04-2002, 02:46 PM

Today's example:

A list seller. 3500 uniques per day. Roughly $6k per month in revenue. Much room for improvement on affiliates and positioning.

Selling price, with straight face:

3 yrs. revenue: About $220k.

WTF?

Meanwhile, bank on planet earth, picked up a super name today for $25k, only 200 uniques per day, but excellent niche. Dropped from $40k in the last month.

Repeat said stories half dozens times.

Something in the air? Free destroyed every business on the web 'cept ebay and porn.

Will ebay stand while porn falls?

DomBuyer · 10-04-2002, 02:50 PM

The only guy that makes sense might be Josh, who wants $1 million for FreePorn.com.

Dig that motha' fuckin' contradiction

EscortBiz · 10-04-2002, 02:56 PM

Yes you are overpaying.

Porn in 3 years from now will be generating 100 times more revenue and there are a few reasons for that.

More people will be online

Many people don't join sites because they have slow connections in 3 years I think most people will have DSL or some type of high speed connection meaning that movie sites will convert 100 times better.

As time goes on surfers are now demanding videos not just photos, so TGP's posters will have to start posting more videos to be able to get hits meaning many wont be able to keep up with the BW bill, not because TGP's don't convert just because some posters don't know shit about marketing.

Porn will continue to grow regardless of VISA or other problems its here to stay.

The game is like in any industry to be able to hang in even when times might not be that good and the ones who do never regret it.

eru · 10-04-2002, 02:57 PM

I don't really know. I started in March and am doing much better now than I did then!

mistressofnite · 10-04-2002, 02:58 PM

Well the big porn players are loving every minute of this VISA crap, I"m sure. Lots of competition being eliminated in short order. Lovely.

Manga1 · 10-04-2002, 03:03 PM

Dombuyer, do you buy gambling domains as well? Just curious if good gambling domains can still get a half decent price.

sweetcuties · 10-04-2002, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
Yes you are overpaying.

Porn in 3 years from now will be generating 100 times more revenue and there are a few reasons for that.

More people will be online

Many people don't join sites because they have slow connections in 3 years I think most people will have DSL or some type of high speed connection meaning that movie sites will convert 100 times better.

As time goes on surfers are now demanding videos not just photos, so TGP's posters will have to start posting more videos to be able to get hits meaning many wont be able to keep up with the BW bill, not because TGP's don't convert just because some posters don't know shit about marketing.

Porn will continue to grow regardless of VISA or other problems its here to stay.

The game is like in any industry to be able to hang in even when times might not be that good and the ones who do never regret it.

Well said, the stongest will survive... I'm about to launch my 4th site

TheFLY · 10-04-2002, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by sweetcuties

Well said, the stongest will survive... I'm about to launch my 4th site

Yeah until you get TMF'ucked by VISA on a cold winter night.

DomBuyer · 10-04-2002, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manga1
Dombuyer, do you buy gambling domains as well? Just curious if good gambling domains can still get a half decent price.

Not really. I stick to adult...

DomBuyer · 10-04-2002, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by sweetcuties

Well said, the stongest will survive... I'm about to launch my 4th site

I don't think adult's going south, but at some point real soon, all those ripped images floating about, all the free circle jerks, the software that slots and organizes super high end newsgroup images, the Napster-ization of porn....

...all this will lead to a mass exodus of people away from PAYING.

People only pay because they have been trained to pay. There is a mass experiment going on in which people are being trained NOT to pay.

I'm not saying this is the prevalent scenario now, but there are massive stormclouds on the horizon, as well all know.

Napster brought 20 million people online to download music for.... FREE. So it's not enough anymore to say, as people in this business do, that "more and more people are coming online". Doesn't mean a thing if they see a landscape where people don't pay...

My

Amputate Your Head · 10-04-2002, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DomBuyer

I'm not saying this is the prevalent scenario now, but there are massive stormclouds on the horizon, as well all know.

Napster brought 20 million people online to download music for.... FREE. So it's not enough anymore to say, as people in this business do, that "more and more people are coming online". Doesn't mean a thing if they see a landscape where people don't pay...

My

I agree with you...

appleboy · 10-04-2002, 03:58 PM

There will probably always be money to be made but you must also have a good business sense too!

EscortBiz · 10-04-2002, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DomBuyer

I don't think adult's going south, but at some point real soon, all those ripped images floating about, all the free circle jerks, the software that slots and organizes super high end newsgroup images, the Napster-ization of porn....

...all this will lead to a mass exodus of people away from PAYING.

People only pay because they have been trained to pay. There is a mass experiment going on in which people are being trained NOT to pay.

I'm not saying this is the prevalent scenario now, but there are massive stormclouds on the horizon, as well all know.

Napster brought 20 million people online to download music for.... FREE. So it's not enough anymore to say, as people in this business do, that "more and more people are coming online". Doesn't mean a thing if they see a landscape where people don't pay...

My

Remember someone needs to pay for the BW and for those of us who know the truth we all know these guys barely make it in these days, soonerr or later the biggest CJ will be google full of broken links to so called free sites.

Not many will understand this now but in 12 months from now you will know exactly what im talking about

DomBuyer · 10-04-2002, 04:06 PM

EscortBiz, what a coincidence.

Send me an email at stevenmarks...at....hotmail.com

cherrylula · 10-04-2002, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

Remember someone needs to pay for the BW and for those of us who know the truth we all know these guys barely make it in these days, soonerr or later the biggest CJ will be google full of broken links to so called free sites.

Not many will understand this now but in 12 months from now you will know exactly what im talking about

Whoa, like an internet porn graveyard.

EscortBiz · 10-04-2002, 04:21 PM

ok i emailed you

Mr.Fiction · 10-04-2002, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz

Remember someone needs to pay for the BW and for those of us who know the truth we all know these guys barely make it in these days, soonerr or later the biggest CJ will be google full of broken links to so called free sites.

Not many will understand this now but in 12 months from now you will know exactly what im talking about

If you look, you can find a post just like yours from one year ago, one from two years ago, three years ago, and so on.

Free sites have been one year away from death since 1997. It's been a long long year.

EscortBiz · 10-04-2002, 04:47 PM

Yes you are right and tons and tons have vanished and the newbies dont last for long we all know that

I know its hard to face facts

Mr.Fiction · 10-04-2002, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
Yes you are right and tons and tons have vanished and the newbies dont last for long we all know that

I know its hard to face facts

Is it hard to face the fact is you are saying the same thing today as people were saying 5 years ago, and the big free sites are bigger than ever?

EscortBiz · 10-04-2002, 04:59 PM

the big guys are here to stay no question about that but you will see a decline on those turnkey adult sites and new comers and shit.

EscortBiz · 10-04-2002, 05:01 PM

So many who made a few bucks from their site just being on Google, with the recent update they made some just fuckin died

Mr.Fiction · 10-04-2002, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
the big guys are here to stay no question about that but you will see a decline on those turnkey adult sites and new comers and shit.

Agreed. As the barriers to entry go up, you will see less and less newbies getting in. However, I think that the big sites, free or pay, will find a way to adapt. The smart ones at least.

jimmyf · 10-04-2002, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Is it hard to face the fact is you are saying the same thing today as people were saying 5 years ago, and the big free sites are bigger than ever?

All I have are free sites small 1's as to traffic and I do ok... Am happy...and have been for some years now.

10-04-2002, 02:34 PM	#1
DomBuyer Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Amalfi Coast Posts: 2,595	Is this business getting better or worse? I continue to buy adult key-in domains, and I am paying multi-year revenues up front, and I wonder if I'm overpaying. The business looks very uncertain right now, what with increased competition, looming obscenity prosecutions, tons of free porn, and all kinds of other issues. The more I read the boards and talk to the players, the more I wonder... Thoughts?

10-04-2002, 02:41 PM	#2
ColKurtz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambodia Posts: 596	I think the shake out period is beginning. I think in general the adult stuff has been very stale the last three years. Theres nothing new and surfers that have been around awhile are much smarter and know how to find free porn. Way way to much free porn. And very hard stuff with no warning page etc. Im shocked that some of these big companies put penetration and stuff on their free tours. Most of the paysites run by these large programs are so cookie cutter and the member areas are shit. I think eventually there will be a "killer app". Something along the lines of a virtual reality type thing where the surfer can feel like they are actually fucking the girl. Charge 100 bucks for a half hour of that. By then though, most of the adult stuff will be controlled by a few companies. But on the positive, the internet aint going anywhere, .com aint going anywhere, and there will always be some means to charge people. Last edited by ColKurtz; 10-04-2002 at 02:47 PM..

10-04-2002, 02:56 PM	#5
EscortBiz Fuck Checks, CASH only! Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 19,422	Yes you are overpaying. Porn in 3 years from now will be generating 100 times more revenue and there are a few reasons for that. More people will be online Many people don't join sites because they have slow connections in 3 years I think most people will have DSL or some type of high speed connection meaning that movie sites will convert 100 times better. As time goes on surfers are now demanding videos not just photos, so TGP's posters will have to start posting more videos to be able to get hits meaning many wont be able to keep up with the BW bill, not because TGP's don't convert just because some posters don't know shit about marketing. Porn will continue to grow regardless of VISA or other problems its here to stay. The game is like in any industry to be able to hang in even when times might not be that good and the ones who do never regret it. __________________ Spanking, Medical Fetish, Sleeping, Strap-on Anal Lesbians, Girls Fucking Guys, Handjob site REAL HOT, Shemales, Anal and Ass Licking sites 100% Real EXCLUSIVE with amazing retention, ccbill payouts, lots of content FREE FTP HOSTING Promote the largest and oldest member paid escort site, Converts 10 times better then any dating site, CCBill payouts ICQ# 158802076

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10-04-2002, 02:46 PM	#3
DomBuyer Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Amalfi Coast Posts: 2,595	Today's example: A list seller. 3500 uniques per day. Roughly $6k per month in revenue. Much room for improvement on affiliates and positioning. Selling price, with straight face: 3 yrs. revenue: About $220k. WTF? Meanwhile, bank on planet earth, picked up a super name today for $25k, only 200 uniques per day, but excellent niche. Dropped from $40k in the last month. Repeat said stories half dozens times. Something in the air? Free destroyed every business on the web 'cept ebay and porn. Will ebay stand while porn falls?

10-04-2002, 02:50 PM	#4
DomBuyer Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Amalfi Coast Posts: 2,595	The only guy that makes sense might be Josh, who wants $1 million for FreePorn.com. Dig that motha' fuckin' contradiction

10-04-2002, 02:58 PM	#7
mistressofnite Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 64	Well the big porn players are loving every minute of this VISA crap, I"m sure. Lots of competition being eliminated in short order. Lovely.

10-04-2002, 03:03 PM	#8
Manga1 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Malakiaville Posts: 952	Dombuyer, do you buy gambling domains as well? Just curious if good gambling domains can still get a half decent price.

10-04-2002, 03:58 PM	#14
appleboy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ny Posts: 291	There will probably always be money to be made but you must also have a good business sense too!

10-04-2002, 04:06 PM	#16
DomBuyer Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Amalfi Coast Posts: 2,595	EscortBiz, what a coincidence. Send me an email at stevenmarks...at....hotmail.com

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EscortBiz Fuck Checks, CASH only! Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 19,422	the big guys are here to stay no question about that but you will see a decline on those turnkey adult sites and new comers and shit. __________________ Spanking, Medical Fetish, Sleeping, Strap-on Anal Lesbians, Girls Fucking Guys, Handjob site REAL HOT, Shemales, Anal and Ass Licking sites 100% Real EXCLUSIVE with amazing retention, ccbill payouts, lots of content FREE FTP HOSTING Promote the largest and oldest member paid escort site, Converts 10 times better then any dating site, CCBill payouts ICQ# 158802076

10-04-2002, 05:01 PM	#23
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