What to do? (drama) - GoFuckYourself.com

potter · 02-04-2008, 10:32 PM

Just to fill in some background history. As most all of you know. I've for years now had close connections with Jon (bodsforthemods). I was for a long time his personal designer. I not only did numerous designs for his top website bodsforthemods, but dozens of other projects of his including design, scripting, and general grind work. I thought we had built a good working relationship and could be considered friends. This however all changed as Jon slowly began to push more and more work from me, without payment. At first I just thought it was a series of unfortunate events, and he was taking on too many projects for his own good. However, with the latest event I'm beginning to wonder what his motives were all along.

The first mishaps, Vegas Internext & him flying me out to TX. For Internext we had plans to get a room together, he had assured me if I made the reservations he would compensate. He ended up backing out, but luckily m@ stayed with me and although the cost on my end was higher it didn't totally break my bank. He also flew me out to TX, a networking business trip on his dollar. However, he had asked me to purchase the plane ticket. Only to say "it was too expensive" once I got back and he didn't cover the full amount. As you can see, both occasions could be chalked up to mis fortunate events which weren't really his fault. I put both occasions behind me and didn't think twice of them. I continued my friendship with Jon.

The first two times I was actually ripped off were for web designs. One, was for a redesign in which at the completion of the design. Jon decided he wanted to split the amount due into three payments, once a month. The first came right away, with the second coming only after relentless reminding. I've still yet to see the third. Another was for a design of a new website, in which Jon wanted to pay me with traffic and partnership instead of a dollar amount. That payment was never made and was continually put off due to a "busy schedule". This was the beginning of the end. The point I realize now, Jon ended his friendship with me and used me for continuous work without pay. Also, the start of his non specific payment options - which he would never follow through with.

Two more projects were started. One, his infamous SFW project. In which I created three different designs, modded some scripts, and implemented a design. Throughout this project, Jon wold continually promise riches like I'd never seen. He'd boast his research and contacts had provided him with stats that make money like no adult site. That once launched we' be living the good life. All of this sounded terrific. However I was more focused on the $1,700 dollar ad deal he had already negotiated and which would be paid out upon the site' launch. This was a deal that was agreed upon, and already secured - according to Jon. In which I would receive 50% of the deal, and 50% of the income from there on out. The site launched, and I never heard another word of it. Jon would not discuss the website with me again, and would continue to say he was busy, or change the subject to talk about new projects. The second was BodsBabes, a website many of you know of. Jon began to talk about the riches which could be had if we built a paysite. Dragging me into the idea I would be driving a Lamborghini within 6 months. Again boasting his contacts, and stats that would make us rich. I built an entire paysite for Jon. I did two tours, two member section designs. I built the entire inside of the site, including the update and content system. Along with an entire affiliate site with scripting and content management. The site launched, and did not bring in any of the traffic and sales Jon had promised. His then characteristic blame game began and he dropped all focus on the website. To which it sank in the toilet, to never see another penny again. My cut of the sales equaled out to roughly two hundred dollars. Two hundred dollars for building an entire paysite, tour - members- affiliate prog.

This was what I thought to be the last straw. My friendship with Jon was almost faded into nothing, and we barely ever spoke more than a sentence to each other in month's time. This all changed when almost 6-8 months had passed and I was contacted again for one more project. THE project. A project that looked to have serious promise, and what I thought would be Jon's final and outstanding attempt to make things right with me.

BrittanysBod. You've all seen her, she's hot. A true original face and personality which is worth alot in this industry. One last project, that looked to finally be worth something. I was hesitant because of the history. However I didn't think there was anyway this one could go wrong. I was commissioned by Jon to design and build for the site. I designed two tours, the member's area, and again scripted and implemented alot of the various components of the site. The deal was real simple. I was to design, help out with occasional grind work where needed for a simple 10% cut of the site's earnings. The deal was INSTANTLY suspect as once the site had gone live (and fro viewing the states, earning ALOT of money), Jon began to push the payment back.

week 1; First, it was because he wanted to wait till after the first week
week 2; Then it was because he had talked with hi financial advisor, and instead of using ccbill's system to cut the payments he would sort of incorporate himself and pay us through his buisness.
week 3; I was to wait 1-2 months. Because the revenue was being used to create more content and pay the photog/model. He wanted to build as much content as fast as possible. Then, once the site was making a "profit". My payment would be made.
month 2; No revenue is being made, not enough to for me to be payed. I need to stop my bitching because all the investors have not been payed either. I'm told to wait 2 more months, payemtn will be FOR SURE made to me end oct/early nov.
month 4-6. Jon is no longer in contact with me. None of my messages are replied to, or they're one line replies made once I've gone idle. I no longer keep up my work, and finally stop working for free on the website. (All I was supposed to be doing was to pretend to be britt on the forums). Jon has also stopped updating the site properly at this point, and everything is going to shit. I've decided I'm done, and just want my money for the designs (and not the original 10% agreed upon).
month 7; Jon contacts me, and states he's in town. Wants to meet up for dinner and discuss my payment. We meet, he blames the whole shit storm and downfall of the website on Steve. I'm told changes will be made, and payment will be made to me Jan 1st. I'm thrilled, he came to see me in person, and seems truthful.
month 8; Payment is pushed back a week. After that week, Jon states he is working on a deal to sell the website. He's in negotiations with panchodog and I will be paid once th deal is to go through the following week. I'm contacted far past this deals end date, to state Jon realized the bodsbucks.com domain is owned by me - he gives me a po box on the border of mexico to transfer the domain to. This is Thursday, he says the panchodog deal is done early next week. I reply to Jon saying I want the contact info of this person the domain is being sent to, so I can contact and speak with to verify details (and for my own content to lower my suspicions). One week goes by, nothing. I message Jon to ask if he's gotten me the contact info, and to inquire how much this deal is for and what I'm to be paid. He responds with "nothing if the domain isn't transfered" and does not respond to anything else I say. Another week an a half go by with no word from Jon.
month 9; Today Feb 4th (my birthday! happy bday to me ). I message Jon to ask what's going on, and I receive a reply "nothing, i asked you to do one simple thing and you didn't" I explain I'm not going to take this shit anymore and want the money that is owed to me. Jon simply states I'm not going to be paid, and to "bring it".

Now. I ask all of you for advice. My plan is to go seek the advice of my lawyer later this week. I'd like to know what actions can be taken against Jon for the unpaid work I've done for him. I'd roughly like to get $2,500 for my work on bodsbabes. However, the back owed money from previous projects could bring that number into the $5-8k range. From what I understand he's severed almost all of his online connections, and not paid other investors for this project. Which would bring the totals unpaid into a very high range. I'm just wondering if this is something I should actually try to go through with on my own, with my own lawyer. I doubt there is any possibility of an entire group suing, but there are plenty of character witnesses along with logs of our aim convos for the past 2+ years.

What do you guys suggest?

potter · 02-04-2008, 10:33 PM

P.S. Aim transcripts. Looking at these, I realize my time frame is fucked up and this has been closer to ten months.

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May 20th 2007
10:14:09 PM ibthemoddog: the breakdown is as follows - steve 10 and you 10 and guess the rest ;)
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10:21:32 PM ibthemoddog: think of it this way brian
10:21:40 PM ibthemoddog: 10% what you getting
10:22:04 PM ibthemoddog: she gets 1000 members in a month
10:22:39 PM ibthemoddog: so say 30k income
10:22:47 PM p0773r: oh yeah i know, it's good money..
10:22:47 PM ibthemoddog: say half on affiliates
10:22:52 PM ibthemoddog: ok thank you
10:23:00 PM ibthemoddog: that is just 1000 members
10:23:12 PM ibthemoddog: she i think will be one of the haottest girsl of all time
10:23:20 PM ibthemoddog: 10k is reachable
10:23:32 PM ibthemoddog: alison angel hit 30k in a month members
10:23:41 PM ibthemoddog: she is hotter then alison angel

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June 1 2007
9:28:34 PM p0773r: btw i forgot to ask, do you have the payouts setup with ccbill yet?
9:28:57 PM p0773r: cause i didn't remember you getting all my info for, but i think lately i've been forgetting alot of stuff..
9:29:36 PM ibthemoddog: never asked - i will set that up next week
9:29:45 PM ibthemoddog: got a few weeks before we see any payouts ;)
9:30:10 PM p0773r: you're not starting beta untill next week?
9:30:26 PM ibthemoddog: no - there won't be any payouts for a couple weeks
9:30:40 PM p0773r: im confused
9:30:48 PM ibthemoddog: i will worry about that when i have the time
9:31:19 PM ibthemoddog: it is on the list - just not high right now
9:32:29 PM ibthemoddog: you gonna get paid nigga
9:32:31 PM ibthemoddog: jesus
9:36:13 PM p0773r: yeah but i didn't think it was going to take a couple weeks to. if i've been working this hard to get the site live and ready for members so beta can start. but i won't be getting paid for beta. then im screwed cause i have not worked on any of my other projects, so i have no money coming in.
9:36:59 PM ibthemoddog: lord - when you realize why everything above you makes no sense i am going to laugh at you
9:37:07 PM ibthemoddog: you ready?
9:37:14 PM p0773r: ok
9:37:29 PM ibthemoddog: ccbills week ends tomorrow right?
9:37:47 PM p0773r: yeah
9:38:11 PM ibthemoddog: so hen do you think that is sent out - say we make 4 sales tomorrow - when does that money arrive?
9:38:55 PM ibthemoddog: i'll make it easy on you
9:39:00 PM ibthemoddog: the 11th of june
9:39:03 PM ibthemoddog: now
9:39:06 PM p0773r: ohh, i get what you're saying
9:39:09 PM ibthemoddog: beta starts next week
9:39:19 PM ibthemoddog: that money will come on the 18th
9:39:27 PM ibthemoddog: follow now?
9:39:30 PM ibthemoddog: JESUS

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June 6th 2007
1:34:31 AM p0773r: you get that payout file sent to ccbill?
1:34:36 AM p0773r: i was supposed to remind you :D
1:40:30 AM ibthemoddog: depends on if i switch to nats or not
1:40:36 AM ibthemoddog: haven't decided yet
1:41:33 AM ibthemoddog: also my accountant advised me for tax purposes since this is my own company, I should pay you guys like employees
1:42:03 AM ibthemoddog: if i am really nice i might throw in medical ;)

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June 11th
4:22:24 PM ibthemoddog: i will look at all expenses for the site
4:22:40 PM ibthemoddog: once all those debts are paid - then the money comes
4:22:46 PM ibthemoddog: you follow?
4:23:23 PM p0773r: how long till those debts are paid?
4:23:45 PM ibthemoddog: next july
4:24:03 PM ibthemoddog: maybe august
4:24:09 PM ibthemoddog: i am pushing for july though
4:24:24 PM p0773r: you mean this july? as in next month
4:24:35 PM ibthemoddog: no - 2008
4:24:57 PM p0773r: you're joking right?
4:25:21 PM ibthemoddog: of course not ;;)
4:28:08 PM p0773r: well hopefully i have enough to pay this months bills.
4:29:05 PM ibthemoddog: you will
4:29:11 PM ibthemoddog: cus i love fucking with you
4:29:15 PM ibthemoddog: no seriously
4:29:24 PM ibthemoddog: you know i run everything like a business
4:29:41 PM p0773r: yeah i know you're a crazy business major
4:29:47 PM ibthemoddog: the only things this month are her server and content
4:29:53 PM ibthemoddog: should be some left over

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June 25 2007
11:20:30 PM ibthemoddog: also
11:20:45 PM ibthemoddog: i will pay out once a month after i go through site expenses
11:21:16 PM ibthemoddog: speaking of i need to check bw
11:22:06 PM ibthemoddog: yup she is close
11:22:15 PM ibthemoddog: for next month i am gonna have to boost it
11:22:26 PM ibthemoddog: especially since i have like 40 new videos
11:25:06 PM Brian Potter: ok cool, so there will be a payout july?
11:25:16 PM Brian Potter: and how much bw has the site gone through?
11:25:23 PM ibthemoddog: yeah probably at the end of the first week

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July 13 2007
10:23:46 PM Brian Potter: So my main thing was. I needed to know if you sent that payment, or could now?
10:24:04 PM ibthemoddog: no one has gotten payments yet
10:24:32 PM ibthemoddog: everything has gone back into the site
10:25:38 PM Brian Potter: Ok, I know you said the first month was going back into the site. But you said you'd send a payment after the first week of July.
10:25:57 PM Brian Potter: I'm just dying here with bills, so I'm wondering when that payment will be made?
10:26:35 PM ibthemoddog: when the site makes a profit
10:26:40 PM ibthemoddog: like i have always said
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10:31:31 PM ibthemoddog: all right - i have accountants going over all my shit right now with a fine tooth comb
10:31:48 PM ibthemoddog: give me a few days and i will try to squirt you a bridge
10:32:50 PM Brian Potter: ok, thanks man

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August 3 2007
9:07:04 PM Brian Potter: and you know i have to bug you about this but, any idea when i might be paid? still broke as shit

9:07:22 PM ibthemoddog: you and me both LMAO
........
9:43:58 PM Brian Potter: so anyway i could ask you to just send in a payment form to ccbill to have them do the payouts? so by two weeks i can get paid and you won't have to worry about it?
9:55:06 PM ibthemoddog: i don't do it that way - me nor the other investors have made a cent from the site - everything has gone back into the site
10:21:46 PM Brian Potter: i understand, but you don't tell me anything and i never hear from you. so i get worried since i can't afford anything right now and have bill collectors calling all day. i just need to know what's going on, i might have to go find a second "real" job.
10:22:23 PM Brian Potter: i'd assume the site made like $20k+ the first month which is about $9k+ revenue. so i don't know how the site's costing more than $9k/month to run. don't you have an idea as to when you'll be paying everyone?
10:38:24 PM ibthemoddog: actually i don't have to tell you shit - i put in 20k and 2 other guys put in 5k a piece...how much did you put in?
10:38:29 PM ibthemoddog: it is called content
10:38:56 PM Brian Potter: why are going to be rude about it?
10:38:59 PM ibthemoddog: and gee i wonder why the other two investors are happy as shit and the person with zero money in this is bothering the fuck out of me
10:39:19 PM ibthemoddog: because you are the only person that keeps bothering me about it
10:39:35 PM Brian Potter: because i actually need the money?
10:41:23 PM Brian Potter: if you just told me when i'd be getting paid i wouldn't bother you. instead you keep me in the dark and give vague answers. and disappear without even talking to me. you told me a month ago would probably be when everyone would be getting paid. but have not told me anything since
10:42:21 PM ibthemoddog: give me a sec
10:42:35 PM Brian Potter: ok
10:49:58 PM ibthemoddog: none of us - meaning the investors went into this worried about short term - we are looking at long term - while we are stockpiling content
11:34:08 PM Brian Potter: long term is cool, but i need to know what long term is. im going to have to get a second "real world" job if long term is going to be awhile. you originally told me we'd get ccbill payments on the 18th of june. but then a week later you changed your mind and said you'd be doing the payments yourself. but then another week later you changed it to payouts after debts are paid, which you said would be july or august. july came and you said 2nd week of july hopefully. that passed. and now you've been extremely vague when talking about it. so im worried because unlike your investors i don't have money lying around, im in a very bad place right now and can't pay my bills. so i NEED to know a serious answer as to when we're getting paid. If it won't be by months end i need to go out and apply for some more jobs tomorrow. im sure you're annoyed, but im hanging on this site's revenue. so it's important that i know when we're getting paid.

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(- no further response. he stopped replying)

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August 8 2007[/b]
11:28:02 PM Brian Potter: so i just need to know when you think payouts will start so i know what to do with my job right now
11:28:56 PM ibthemoddog: oy oh boy you got yourself in a bind don't yah
11:29:08 PM Brian Potter: yup, you know im good at that
11:29:15 PM ibthemoddog: hahaha
11:29:40 PM ibthemoddog: remind me around the 20th and i will send you some money

potter · 02-04-2008, 10:33 PM

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November 22 2007

p0773r (10:06:23 PM): so i gotta ask, can i get paid? with christmas coming up it would be nice to have some loot since im broke. i don't even care if i don't get the 10% i'd just like to get paid for those two designs and the scripting / affiliate code i did

ibthemoddog (10:07:00 PM): where are you - moms or girls and where?

p0773r (10:07:36 PM): my apt. it's technically mine, but me and the gf are both on the lease and we rented it together. i only say mine cause they put my name as the main one on the lease

p0773r (10:07:58 PM): we're by 470 and yosemete. it's technically littleton, but it's pretty much lonetree

ibthemoddog (10:08:14 PM): I will come up there and we can talk about it - you busy this weekend?

.....

p0773r (10:13:37 PM): ok well we can hang out here and maybe go grab some food or something, i dunno im broke. my car payment is due the 26th and then rent on the 1st so the next couple weeks are tight for me

ibthemoddog (10:14:05 PM): it will be on me my man no worries

ibthemoddog (10:14:17 PM): and we will get that shit squared away for you

ibthemoddog (10:14:31 PM): i have had to basically spend the last month fixing shit

ibthemoddog (10:14:41 PM): while dealing with our wonderful government

p0773r (10:16:03 PM): word, thanks man. like i said, im not even worried about the 10% deal. just like 700 (i think that's industry standard?) for each design, and maybe 100 for the affiliate code, and scripting i did. just want some money to buy the gf and family presents. and maybe buy a new phone

p0773r (10:16:20 PM): what have you had to fix? i know the content management system on brit's site broke

p0773r (10:16:29 PM): but other than that?

ibthemoddog (10:17:03 PM): in having to run bods steve left out handling any affiliate work so sales for the site tanked

p0773r (10:17:16 PM): :/

ibthemoddog (10:17:30 PM): and bods traffic dropped - sales dropped on bods

ibthemoddog (10:17:35 PM): whole slew of shit

ibthemoddog (10:18:11 PM): in fact I stopped paying her a cut because of it

ibthemoddog (10:18:34 PM): her site is basically paying for her server right now

p0773r (10:18:40 PM): yeah i haven't done anything for brit's site in ages. i was doing the forums, but it's just people bitching about updates and cams, and since updates never happened i wasn't going to just lie to the members over and over every new week. other than the forums nobody ever told me to do anything else :-(

ibthemoddog (10:19:09 PM): yeah not your fault - steve knows he has fucked up

ibthemoddog (10:19:22 PM): the sad thing is he doesn't even get how and why he fucked up

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November 25 2007

p0773r (12:13:12 AM): ok, well i know the other day when we talked, i said i had needed 1,500, which was for 700 each design and 100 for the scripting work. and then you wouldn't have to pay me anything else. but since you said you want to pay me to run the site now. how about it drop to 1000 now. and then come jan when im running the site you pay me whaveter price per week/month. cause i'm not really worried what the pay will be for running the site. but i'd like to definitely get 1,000 now for sure, and we could call it even for all the work i did on the site.

ibthemoddog (12:15:23 AM): it will have to wait till the 1st

p0773r (12:16:35 AM): 1st of december?

ibthemoddog (12:17:06 AM): yuppers

p0773r (12:17:57 AM): yeah that's cool. i don't need it ZOMG RIGHT THIS SECOND ;-), the 1st will be perfect cause i wanted to use some of it for christmas presents on the fam and gf

p0773r (12:18:16 AM): but that deal sounds good?

ibthemoddog (12:19:12 AM): as long as her site doesn't slide more yes

ibthemoddog (12:19:30 AM): server bill pulls in two days and that is over 1k

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Dec 10 2007
8:54:25 PM ibthemoddog: all right
8:54:34 PM ibthemoddog: before the 29th I am going to sell the site
8:54:54 PM ibthemoddog: you will get your cut from it and I will get mine and that is about it
8:55:16 PM ibthemoddog: after hearing what steve has said about me to others he is lucky I still let him live
.......
9:07:49 PM Brian Potter: but so your just going to sell the site?
9:08:40 PM ibthemoddog: haha i find it funny because here you guys are getting pissed off not giving a fuck about what I have had to deal with
9:08:49 PM ibthemoddog: putting that aside yes the site will be sold
9:09:10 PM Brian Potter: do you have someone lined up already?
9:09:54 PM ibthemoddog: a few actually

Ok, and the rest kinda go inbetween days. So it would be a pita for me to nicely quote each seperatly like I have been.

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Sunday, December 30, 2007

p0773r (8:21:53 AM): yo, so what's up with everything

p0773r (11:48:43 PM): ayeo

Monday, December 31, 2007

ibthemoddog (10:45:57 AM): still waiting on rico

ibthemoddog signed off at 2:31:30 PM

p0773r (8:55:48 PM): who's rico?

p0773r (8:55:48 PM): who's rico?

Tuesday, January 01, 2008

ibthemoddog (1:06:41 PM): pancho dog nigga

ibthemoddog (1:06:43 PM): JESUS

ibthemoddog (1:28:40 PM): oh and hppy new year

ibthemoddog signed off at 3:25:22 PM

ibthemoddog signed off at 6:07:02 PM

p0773r (6:29:00 PM): happy new year. yeah we totally fucked up at our party.we were getting out the champaign n shit ready for the countdown and when i turned to the channel to watch the count down the fireworks were already going off.. lol we missed it

p0773r (6:29:00 PM): happy new year. yeah we totally fucked up at our party.we were getting out the champaign n shit ready for the countdown and when i turned to the channel to watch the count down the fireworks were already going off.. lol we missed it

Saturday, January 12, 2008

p0773r (8:56:54 PM): so what's the deal? you haven't really let me know anything in awhile

Friday, January 18, 2008

ibthemoddog (12:08:37 PM): almost done with the sale - did you buy bodsbucks?

ibthemoddog (12:08:45 PM): the domain

Saturday, January 19, 2008

p0773r (6:35:28 AM): yeah i thought so, or else you did.

p0773r (6:35:35 AM): lemmie go login to my account and check

p0773r (6:39:04 AM): ok yeah, it's on my account. registered through godaddy, and it expires 3-24-08.

ibthemoddog (10:50:37 AM): haha ok what i thought

ibthemoddog (10:51:28 AM): let me get you the info - need you to push that to another godaddy account when you get a moment

ibthemoddog (10:53:33 AM): Here is the information you requested.

(personal info removed)

ibthemoddog (10:53:45 AM): and we should be good to go buy early next week

ibthemoddog (10:54:02 AM): sorry I have been training like a madman and now it looks like I am not going

ibthemoddog (10:54:06 AM): go fucking figure

ibthemoddog signed off at 1:44:54 PM

Tuesday, January 22, 2008

p0773r (7:49:30 PM): who is that person who's getting the domain? and how much is this deal going for, what will be my cut?

ibthemoddog (10:22:17 PM): nothing if it doesn't get transferred

p0773r (10:39:09 PM): well yeah

p0773r (10:39:23 PM): how much is the deal going to be, and how much will i be getting?

p0773r (10:39:57 PM): and do you have the icq/aim contact for whoever it is im transferring it to? would rather talk to him when im transferring it to make sure everything goes through

Sunday, February 03, 2008

p0773r (10:55:42 PM): been awhile since i heard anything from ya

Monday, February 04, 2008

ibthemoddog (6:25:00 PM): I have no reason to talk to you - I asked you to do one simple thing and you didn't do it.

p0773r (6:44:09 PM): and i asked for some simple info

ibthemoddog (6:46:06 PM): and you shot yourself in the foot but oh well

ibthemoddog (6:46:11 PM): I am done with it

p0773r (6:46:15 PM): don't even try to be a dick to me, im not going to put up with your bullshit anymore dude. i did work for you and you owe me money. end of story. im pretty fucking sick of you trying to pretend to be top dog like your shi don't stink and screwing me over. i just want what is rightfully owed to me. my money for the designs and scripting work. the end. you want me to transfer that domain? why don't you actually show me this deal is going through and your not just lying to me once again? all you've done for the past year is bullshit around and promise this and promise that.

p0773r (6:46:27 PM): you'r done with it? i don't fucking think so. you owe me money

ibthemoddog (6:48:56 PM): bring it then

p0773r (6:51:41 PM): you're such an ass

ibthemoddog (6:52:50 PM): i know but I am in the desert so what makes you think I am going to be nice?

p0773r (7:34:12 PM): how can you just say you're not going to pay me?

ibthemoddog (7:34:44 PM): I asked you to do something and you didn't

p0773r (7:35:01 PM): you also said you were going to pay me and didn't

p0773r (7:35:10 PM): you've been not doing what you said for 8 months now

ibthemoddog (7:35:19 PM): would have been if you did what I asked

p0773r (7:35:24 PM): don't try to turn this on me because last week you asked me one thing

p0773r (7:35:26 PM): bullshit

ibthemoddog (7:35:28 PM): it was very simple really

p0773r (7:35:34 PM): you've said that for 8 months now

p0773r (7:35:48 PM): you think im going to believe you're not lying all of a sudden?

ibthemoddog (7:41:13 PM): hm ok

ibthemoddog (7:41:24 PM): it was a easy request

Dirty F · 02-04-2008, 10:35 PM

Can someone read it for me and sum it up in 1 sentence?

potter · 02-04-2008, 10:35 PM

Oh, and I know this is all my fault. Posting this, and going through the transcripts took me roughly 3 hours. After going over it all and rememberin it all. I've realized I was incredibly stupid to continue to do business with jon. It's sad, but I kept my trust in him for a long long time.

L-Pink · 02-04-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Can someone read it for me and sum it up in 1 sentence?

He got fucked by someone he trusted.

L-Pink · 02-04-2008, 10:41 PM

File a lawsuit for the balance owed, interest and legal fees. Do it soon.

jOE :D · 02-04-2008, 10:43 PM

sig spoooot!

Bods4Mods · 02-04-2008, 10:44 PM

Bump for good drama!

LiveDose · 02-04-2008, 10:47 PM

Fuck me once, shame on you. Fuck me twice, shame on me...

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-04-2008, 10:48 PM

Hi Potter.

Bods4Mods · 02-04-2008, 10:54 PM

I tell you what. Please have me served in Iraq. I already have jag looking over this issue as well as my personal attorney. You have left out a ton of information, including us not using a lot of your design work because it wasn't good enough. You are a great designer but it just wasn't cut out for what we needed. Then you got upset with the personal choices in your life including becoming a paperboy. Take that out on me, fine. I can handle that, but the lies I refuse to listen too.

qxm · 02-04-2008, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Can someone read it for me and sum it up in 1 sentence?

The guy worked for free for about a YEAR, fueled by false promises from this "Jon" person and after a gooooood while "Jon" decides not to pay him and makes up one more shitty excuse....

Potter............I'd sue for everything, starting from the trips and airline tickets you bought all the way to the last design you did for him, and on top of that I'd be wanting some interest and his first born child (just kidding about the child!

)

This is the right time to sue his ass back to hell.........good luck m8!

EDIT:

P.S. AVOID all verbal contact with him, since apparently he has good selling skills !!!

Adam_M · 02-04-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveDose

Fuck me once, shame on you. Fuck me twice, shame on me...

Much better said then G W Bush

Bods4Mods · 02-04-2008, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qxm

The guy worked for free for about a YEAR, fueled by false promises from this "Jon" person and after a gooooood while "Jon" decides not to pay him and makes up one more shitty excuse....

Potter............I'd sue for everything, starting from the trips and airline tickets you bought all the way to the last design you did for him, and on top of that I'd be wanting some interest and his first born child (just kidding about the child!

)

This is the right time to sue his ass back to hell.........good luck m8!

In the end, It would be shocking for the paperboy to take anything - but if he wants to try that is fine. I am game.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-04-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bods4Mods

I tell you what. Please have me served in Iraq. I already have jag looking over this issue as well as my personal attorney. You have left out a ton of information, including us not using a lot of your design work because it wasn't good enough. You are a great designer but it just wasn't cut out for what we needed. Then you got upset with the personal choices in your life including becoming a paperboy. Take that out on me, fine. I can handle that, but the lies I refuse to listen too.

hardly....

DigitalDruid · 02-04-2008, 10:57 PM

Whew..... Thats rough

potter · 02-04-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bods4Mods

I tell you what. Please have me served in Iraq. I already have jag looking over this issue as well as my personal attorney. You have left out a ton of information, including us not using a lot of your design work because it wasn't good enough. You are a great designer but it just wasn't cut out for what we needed. Then you got upset with the personal choices in your life including becoming a paperboy. Take that out on me, fine. I can handle that, but the lies I refuse to listen too.

I've got plenty of time to go through and post more logs. You loved every single design I did, and you never once mentioned you didn't want them. I'm not playing around. All the proof is against you, not just the logs. You can't scare me one bit with your false accusations. You brought this upon yourself.

Bods4Mods · 02-04-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaysin

hardly....

Don't be too harsh jay - he does do some good work

L-Pink · 02-04-2008, 11:01 PM

The use of any part of a product or service that is not paid for is grounds for a lawsuit. Sue 'em.

Bods4Mods · 02-04-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

The use of any part of a product or service that is not paid for is grounds for a lawsuit. Sue 'em.

That is a valid point if the work rendered was used.

jOE :D · 02-04-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

The use of any part of a product or service that is not paid for is grounds for a lawsuit. Sue 'em.

I'm with you on this one.

L-Pink · 02-04-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bods4Mods

That is a valid point if the work rendered was used.

I don't have a horse in this race but you already admited to using some of his product.

jOE :D · 02-04-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bods4Mods

That is a valid point if the work rendered was used.

Do you go to McDonalds and order a hamburger and then not pay them because you decide your not hungry? No

Bods4Mods · 02-04-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jOE :D

Do you go to McDonalds and order a hamburger and then not pay them because you decide your not hungry? No

Not a good analogy.

Jay-Rock · 02-04-2008, 11:16 PM

Hey Bods4theMods, I shot Brittanys Bod and you didn't pay me the $800 for the last sets I shot. Are you gonna pay me? You wouldn't respond to my messages on ICQ either. Sold me out for $800 I got the whole "I haven't paid the investors and I have personal problems"

Well bods thats not my problem.

PS Brittany hates you.

potter · 02-04-2008, 11:19 PM

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May 16 2007
7:42:19 PM p0773r: http://goddam.net/bbmain-1.jpg
7:42:42 PM ibthemoddog: (drool)
7:42:50 PM ibthemoddog: i like that a lot

Quote:

May 17 2007
1:19:57 AM p0773r: http://goddam.net/bbmain-2.jpg
1:20:07 AM p0773r: it's not really "simple"
1:20:27 AM ibthemoddog: muther fucker you are the fucking shit
1:21:04 AM ibthemoddog: dude that is so fucking bad ass
1:21:16 AM ibthemoddog: god i want that on b4tm
1:21:18 AM ibthemoddog: LMAO
1:21:23 AM p0773r: lol
1:21:31 AM ibthemoddog: dude you like right?
1:21:37 AM p0773r: yeah
1:21:55 AM p0773r: that's just the container, gotta work tomorrow on adding like a header to it, and some content stuff
1:22:23 AM ibthemoddog: i love you man - that is a fucking work of art right there bro
1:22:31 AM ibthemoddog: you do such perfect work

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May 19 2007
11:06:38 PM p0773r: http://goddam.net/bbmain-4.jpg
11:08:01 PM p0773r: so there is the container, finished.. all that needs to be done now is adding text containers and text. the join/members/tour links. and some set of pics, like 4 small square pics that make a bigger square (know what I mean?)
11:09:02 PM ibthemoddog: rock on brother - so we will be able to submit her to ccbill this week?
11:09:23 PM ibthemoddog: outstanding job as always

Quote:

May 20 2007
1:21:25 AM p0773r: http://goddam.net/bbmain-5.jpg
1:21:27 AM p0773r: you like?
1:22:05 AM ibthemoddog: clean it up a bit and hell yeah
1:22:27 AM ibthemoddog: i don't like the way the pics are covered up by the flowers/designs
1:23:09 AM ibthemoddog: namy sayn - focus is her and they a bit todistracting
1:23:14 AM ibthemoddog: too
1:24:18 AM p0773r: yeah
1:24:32 AM ibthemoddog: it will be perfecty actually
1:24:43 AM ibthemoddog: excellent choices by the way of pics ;)
1:25:25 AM ibthemoddog: plus with the frame wrok of the for pics that is such a cool design effect its self
1:25:46 AM ibthemoddog: frame work around the pics
1:28:55 AM ibthemoddog: I love it though
........
7:08:27 AM p0773r: http://goddam.net/bbmain-6.jpg
7:09:16 AM p0773r: little busy, but it's definitely hot and original. it'll stand out and i think it'll be great for a solo girl site. not sure it would work with any other type of adult site cept a solo girl site.
7:10:10 AM p0773r: i think with as many flowery stuff i put in, the top header pic of her and the pic at the bottom left stand out the most of anything
7:10:26 AM p0773r: at least those two pictures of her stand out the most from the design to me
10:30:22 AM p0773r: http://goddam.net/bbmain.html - there that's what'll look like for the most part
11:43:50 AM ibthemoddog: GODDAM
11:44:05 AM ibthemoddog: i only have one squabble
1:45:33 PM ibthemoddog: hit me up when you ass wakes up
4:20:14 PM p0773r: yo
5:21:34 PM ibthemoddog: hi pooky
5:23:41 PM ibthemoddog: alright I only have one probelm
5:23:47 PM ibthemoddog: and it is the same as last night
5:24:30 PM ibthemoddog: those 4 pics are not clear enough for my taste - maybe a bit less of the flowers on them

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May 22 2007
12:04:50 AM p0773r: http://goddam.net/bbmain.html
12:05:43 AM p0773r: readded those four images of her, and when i put the flowery stuff around em i didn't cover her up
12:05:44 AM ibthemoddog: there we go
12:05:50 AM p0773r: and removed that welcome text
12:05:53 AM ibthemoddog: perfect

The design was then used as the main tour for two weeks. The main tour design was then switched for an alt one, and then switched to another alt one. This was done to test ratios between each design. I have logs to prove all this. Also, the member's area is still using my design. If you check out the affiliate page, my original tour is the third link code option. It's been used for the duration (9 months) the site has been online.

screenie - http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?im...creenieps3.jpg

I was also asked to design a second tour. Which was completed, and uploaded. I also have logs to prove this design was liked and accepted.

potter · 02-04-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

Hey Bods4theMods, I shot Brittanys Bod and you didn't pay me the $800 for the last sets I shot. Are you gonna pay me? You wouldn't respond to my messages on ICQ either. Sold me out for $800 I got the whole "I haven't paid the investors and I have personal problems"

Well bods thats not my problem.

PS Brittany hates you.

You know I'm so glad you posted in this thread. I had heard about problems not just pertaining to me, but was never sure. It sucks we're in the same boat here, but it's comforting to know I'm no alone in all of this.

Bods4Mods · 02-04-2008, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

Hey Bods4theMods, I shot Brittanys Bod and you didn't pay me the $800 for the last sets I shot. Are you gonna pay me? You wouldn't respond to my messages on ICQ either. Sold me out for $800 I got the whole "I haven't paid the investors and I have personal problems"

Well bods thats not my problem.

PS Brittany hates you.

Yeah I heard that and about the $800, not sure what you are talking about. why can everyone else get ahold of me yet you cannot. I talk to Mutt often as well as everyone else. Plus if I remember correctly I cut ties with you because every time you needed money you were like a crack fiend begging for work. Congrats on the new found success, and not having to hit up for work

L-Pink · 02-04-2008, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

Hey Bods4theMods, I shot Brittanys Bod and you didn't pay me the $800 for the last sets I shot. Are you gonna pay me? You wouldn't respond to my messages on ICQ either. Sold me out for $800 I got the whole "I haven't paid the investors and I have personal problems"

Well bods thats not my problem.

PS Brittany hates you.

That girl is beautiful, I mean beautiful.

Bods4Mods · 02-04-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by potter

You know I'm so glad you posted in this thread. I had heard about problems not just pertaining to me, but was never sure. It sucks we're in the same boat here, but it's comforting to know I'm no alone in all of this.

I know you are broke Brian and just trying to find someone to stick it to bro. That is cool. Someone has to pay for jays habit so i get that too. I need to choose better people to work with in the future.

Jay-Rock · 02-04-2008, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bods4Mods

Yeah I heard that and about the $800, not sure what you are talking about. why can everyone else get ahold of me yet you cannot. I talk to Mutt often as well as everyone else. Plus if I remember correctly I cut ties with you because every time you needed money you were like a crack fiend begging for work. Congrats on the new found success, and not having to hit up for work

Not sure what Im talking about? I paid her out of my pocket for those last sets and you came to my house to get the sets man. You taught me something though, all my clients pay upfront now Im not a newbie to this sort of thing anymore. I only shoot if I get sent money thats just the way I roll now. You live and learn my friends.

FlexxAeon · 02-04-2008, 11:34 PM

ruh roh!

Bods4Mods · 02-04-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

Not sure what Im talking about? I paid her out of my pocket for those last sets and you came to my house to get the sets man. You taught me something though, all my clients pay upfront now Im not a newbie to this sort of thing anymore. I only shoot if I get sent money thats just the way I roll now. You live and learn my friends.

That is a new twist - I paid you for the original sets that were shot. I will not pay for additional sets you shot just because you needed to pay ths or that off.

woj · 02-04-2008, 11:38 PM

did anyone post cliffnotes yet?

Jay-Rock · 02-04-2008, 11:44 PM

No you agreed to pay me that Wednesday when you got your paypal money and so I paid her out of good faith with my own money for some extra sets. I don't forget when it comes to someone taking money from my pocket.

I was never aware we cut ties. You disappeared on everyone including Mutt for quite some time. I'm not here to discuss personal issues, I just simply would like to be payed for my work. This is gonna get messy when Brittany gets on this thread she is furious how you handled all of this. You made endless promises. Well we will just wait and she what she has to say.

Bods4Mods · 02-04-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

No you agreed to pay me that Wednesday when you got your paypal money and so I paid her out of good faith with my own money for some extra sets. I don't forget when it comes to someone taking money from my pocket.

I was never aware we cut ties. You disappeared on everyone including Mutt for quite some time. I'm not here to discuss personal issues, I just simply would like to be payed for my work. This is gonna get messy when Brittany gets on this thread she is furious how you handled all of this. You made endless promises. Well we will just wait and she what she has to say.

That is fine - we were honest with her from day one - whatever she wants to bring to the convo will be interesting as well. And no I talk to Mutt regularly. You were a ticking time bomb at the time and It got annoying when you shot extra content I had not asked for.

martinsc · 02-04-2008, 11:50 PM

popcorn time....

FlexxAeon · 02-04-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

did anyone post cliffnotes yet?

Guy 1: Guy 2 didn't pay me
Guy 2: i wasn't supposed to
Guy 1: yes you were!
Guy 2: nuh uh!
Guy 3: hey Guy 2 didn't pay me either
Guy 2: hey, shut yer face!

....

Jay-Rock · 02-04-2008, 11:50 PM

Well yes I did kind of blow up. Kudos to me Im starting a site with money I have now. You have my paypal you sold my sets just pay me and we can end this convo.

Holly · 02-04-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

did anyone post cliffnotes yet?

Allow me-

They're all retarded.

Jay-Rock · 02-04-2008, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

Well yes I did kind of blow up. Kudos to me Im starting a site with money I have now. You have my paypal you sold my sets just pay me and we can end this convo.

Pay me or Im sending this guy to your house.

https://youtube.com/v/VIYS9zt8lzg&rel=1

Bods4Mods · 02-05-2008, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

Pay me or Im sending this guy to your house.

https://youtube.com/v/VIYS9zt8lzg&rel=1

HaHa
Those sets where never sold, or used. And really it is not a good idea to threaten my family especially when I am a world away

L-Pink · 02-05-2008, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

Pay me or Im sending this guy to your house.

https://youtube.com/v/VIYS9zt8lzg&rel=1

Dumb move ......

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bods4Mods

And really it is not a good idea to threaten my family especially when I am a world away

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Dumb move ......

Did you guys WATCH the video? Clearly, very threatening.

Jay-Rock · 02-05-2008, 12:09 AM

Oh so I guess they are mine? If Pancho Dog doesnt have them then I guess I can sell them. Don't worry that little kid just wants his change.

sicone · 02-05-2008, 12:14 AM

hmmmm, interesting read

L-Pink · 02-05-2008, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronaldo

Did you guys WATCH the video? Clearly, very threatening.

Huh? I thought it was a dumb move to turn what was a serious discussion about money owed into a youtube comedy attempt. Nothing like saying you really don't give a fuck after all.

goodnight

Jay-Rock · 02-05-2008, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bods4Mods

HaHa
Those sets where never sold, or used. And really it is not a good idea to threaten my family especially when I am a world away

First of all the little kid is no threat that was to make light of the situation. If you drove an hour to come get the discs and you are saying you didn't give them to Pancho Dog well that just makes no sense. Why would you hold them back if they weren't used are sold?

Bods4Mods · 02-05-2008, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

Oh so I guess they are mine? If Pancho Dog doesnt have them then I guess I can sell them. Don't worry that little kid just wants his change.

Why would they have them when I never got them from you?

02-04-2008, 10:32 PM	#1
potter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 6,559	What to do? (drama) Just to fill in some background history. As most all of you know. I've for years now had close connections with Jon (bodsforthemods). I was for a long time his personal designer. I not only did numerous designs for his top website bodsforthemods, but dozens of other projects of his including design, scripting, and general grind work. I thought we had built a good working relationship and could be considered friends. This however all changed as Jon slowly began to push more and more work from me, without payment. At first I just thought it was a series of unfortunate events, and he was taking on too many projects for his own good. However, with the latest event I'm beginning to wonder what his motives were all along. The first mishaps, Vegas Internext & him flying me out to TX. For Internext we had plans to get a room together, he had assured me if I made the reservations he would compensate. He ended up backing out, but luckily m@ stayed with me and although the cost on my end was higher it didn't totally break my bank. He also flew me out to TX, a networking business trip on his dollar. However, he had asked me to purchase the plane ticket. Only to say "it was too expensive" once I got back and he didn't cover the full amount. As you can see, both occasions could be chalked up to mis fortunate events which weren't really his fault. I put both occasions behind me and didn't think twice of them. I continued my friendship with Jon. The first two times I was actually ripped off were for web designs. One, was for a redesign in which at the completion of the design. Jon decided he wanted to split the amount due into three payments, once a month. The first came right away, with the second coming only after relentless reminding. I've still yet to see the third. Another was for a design of a new website, in which Jon wanted to pay me with traffic and partnership instead of a dollar amount. That payment was never made and was continually put off due to a "busy schedule". This was the beginning of the end. The point I realize now, Jon ended his friendship with me and used me for continuous work without pay. Also, the start of his non specific payment options - which he would never follow through with. Two more projects were started. One, his infamous SFW project. In which I created three different designs, modded some scripts, and implemented a design. Throughout this project, Jon wold continually promise riches like I'd never seen. He'd boast his research and contacts had provided him with stats that make money like no adult site. That once launched we' be living the good life. All of this sounded terrific. However I was more focused on the $1,700 dollar ad deal he had already negotiated and which would be paid out upon the site' launch. This was a deal that was agreed upon, and already secured - according to Jon. In which I would receive 50% of the deal, and 50% of the income from there on out. The site launched, and I never heard another word of it. Jon would not discuss the website with me again, and would continue to say he was busy, or change the subject to talk about new projects. The second was BodsBabes, a website many of you know of. Jon began to talk about the riches which could be had if we built a paysite. Dragging me into the idea I would be driving a Lamborghini within 6 months. Again boasting his contacts, and stats that would make us rich. I built an entire paysite for Jon. I did two tours, two member section designs. I built the entire inside of the site, including the update and content system. Along with an entire affiliate site with scripting and content management. The site launched, and did not bring in any of the traffic and sales Jon had promised. His then characteristic blame game began and he dropped all focus on the website. To which it sank in the toilet, to never see another penny again. My cut of the sales equaled out to roughly two hundred dollars. Two hundred dollars for building an entire paysite, tour - members- affiliate prog. This was what I thought to be the last straw. My friendship with Jon was almost faded into nothing, and we barely ever spoke more than a sentence to each other in month's time. This all changed when almost 6-8 months had passed and I was contacted again for one more project. THE project. A project that looked to have serious promise, and what I thought would be Jon's final and outstanding attempt to make things right with me. BrittanysBod. You've all seen her, she's hot. A true original face and personality which is worth alot in this industry. One last project, that looked to finally be worth something. I was hesitant because of the history. However I didn't think there was anyway this one could go wrong. I was commissioned by Jon to design and build for the site. I designed two tours, the member's area, and again scripted and implemented alot of the various components of the site. The deal was real simple. I was to design, help out with occasional grind work where needed for a simple 10% cut of the site's earnings. The deal was INSTANTLY suspect as once the site had gone live (and fro viewing the states, earning ALOT of money), Jon began to push the payment back. week 1; First, it was because he wanted to wait till after the first week week 2; Then it was because he had talked with hi financial advisor, and instead of using ccbill's system to cut the payments he would sort of incorporate himself and pay us through his buisness. week 3; I was to wait 1-2 months. Because the revenue was being used to create more content and pay the photog/model. He wanted to build as much content as fast as possible. Then, once the site was making a "profit". My payment would be made. month 2; No revenue is being made, not enough to for me to be payed. I need to stop my bitching because all the investors have not been payed either. I'm told to wait 2 more months, payemtn will be FOR SURE made to me end oct/early nov. month 4-6. Jon is no longer in contact with me. None of my messages are replied to, or they're one line replies made once I've gone idle. I no longer keep up my work, and finally stop working for free on the website. (All I was supposed to be doing was to pretend to be britt on the forums). Jon has also stopped updating the site properly at this point, and everything is going to shit. I've decided I'm done, and just want my money for the designs (and not the original 10% agreed upon). month 7; Jon contacts me, and states he's in town. Wants to meet up for dinner and discuss my payment. We meet, he blames the whole shit storm and downfall of the website on Steve. I'm told changes will be made, and payment will be made to me Jan 1st. I'm thrilled, he came to see me in person, and seems truthful. month 8; Payment is pushed back a week. After that week, Jon states he is working on a deal to sell the website. He's in negotiations with panchodog and I will be paid once th deal is to go through the following week. I'm contacted far past this deals end date, to state Jon realized the bodsbucks.com domain is owned by me - he gives me a po box on the border of mexico to transfer the domain to. This is Thursday, he says the panchodog deal is done early next week. I reply to Jon saying I want the contact info of this person the domain is being sent to, so I can contact and speak with to verify details (and for my own content to lower my suspicions). One week goes by, nothing. I message Jon to ask if he's gotten me the contact info, and to inquire how much this deal is for and what I'm to be paid. He responds with "nothing if the domain isn't transfered" and does not respond to anything else I say. Another week an a half go by with no word from Jon. month 9; Today Feb 4th (my birthday! happy bday to me ). I message Jon to ask what's going on, and I receive a reply "nothing, i asked you to do one simple thing and you didn't" I explain I'm not going to take this shit anymore and want the money that is owed to me. Jon simply states I'm not going to be paid, and to "bring it". Now. I ask all of you for advice. My plan is to go seek the advice of my lawyer later this week. I'd like to know what actions can be taken against Jon for the unpaid work I've done for him. I'd roughly like to get $2,500 for my work on bodsbabes. However, the back owed money from previous projects could bring that number into the $5-8k range. From what I understand he's severed almost all of his online connections, and not paid other investors for this project. Which would bring the totals unpaid into a very high range. I'm just wondering if this is something I should actually try to go through with on my own, with my own lawyer. I doubt there is any possibility of an entire group suing, but there are plenty of character witnesses along with logs of our aim convos for the past 2+ years. What do you guys suggest? __________________

02-04-2008, 10:35 PM	#5
potter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 6,559	Oh, and I know this is all my fault. Posting this, and going through the transcripts took me roughly 3 hours. After going over it all and rememberin it all. I've realized I was incredibly stupid to continue to do business with jon. It's sad, but I kept my trust in him for a long long time. __________________

02-04-2008, 10:43 PM	#8
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02-04-2008, 10:44 PM	#9
Bods4Mods Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 904	Bump for good drama! __________________ [BODSFORTHEMODS][B4TM][BODS LIST]

02-04-2008, 10:47 PM	#10
LiveDose Show Yer Tits! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Out there... Posts: 25,792	Fuck me once, shame on you. Fuck me twice, shame on me... __________________ Scammer Alert: acer19 acer [email protected] [email protected] Money stolen using PayPal

02-04-2008, 10:35 PM	#4
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Can someone read it for me and sum it up in 1 sentence?

02-04-2008, 10:41 PM	#7
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	File a lawsuit for the balance owed, interest and legal fees. Do it soon.

02-04-2008, 10:48 PM	#11
Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE MOBILE PORN: IMOBILEPORN Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Tinseltown NL Posts: 16,502	Hi Potter.

02-04-2008, 10:54 PM	#12
Bods4Mods Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 904	I tell you what. Please have me served in Iraq. I already have jag looking over this issue as well as my personal attorney. You have left out a ton of information, including us not using a lot of your design work because it wasn't good enough. You are a great designer but it just wasn't cut out for what we needed. Then you got upset with the personal choices in your life including becoming a paperboy. Take that out on me, fine. I can handle that, but the lies I refuse to listen too. __________________ [BODSFORTHEMODS][B4TM][BODS LIST]

02-04-2008, 10:57 PM	#17
DigitalDruid Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 647	Whew..... Thats rough __________________ Get on here and make some ca$h

02-04-2008, 11:01 PM	#20
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	The use of any part of a product or service that is not paid for is grounds for a lawsuit. Sue 'em.

02-04-2008, 11:16 PM	#26
Jay-Rock Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Porn Valley Posts: 2,779	Hey Bods4theMods, I shot Brittanys Bod and you didn't pay me the $800 for the last sets I shot. Are you gonna pay me? You wouldn't respond to my messages on ICQ either. Sold me out for $800 I got the whole "I haven't paid the investors and I have personal problems" Well bods thats not my problem. PS Brittany hates you. __________________ HD and 4k Content Production by JayRock http://jayspov.net http://blackforwife.com http://cospimps.com SKYPE JAYROCKCONTENT [email protected] Twitter @jayrockcontent

02-04-2008, 11:34 PM	#33
FlexxAeon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,765	ruh roh! __________________ flexx [dot] aeon [at] gmail

02-04-2008, 11:38 PM	#35
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	did anyone post cliffnotes yet? __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

02-04-2008, 11:44 PM	#36
Jay-Rock Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Porn Valley Posts: 2,779	No you agreed to pay me that Wednesday when you got your paypal money and so I paid her out of good faith with my own money for some extra sets. I don't forget when it comes to someone taking money from my pocket. I was never aware we cut ties. You disappeared on everyone including Mutt for quite some time. I'm not here to discuss personal issues, I just simply would like to be payed for my work. This is gonna get messy when Brittany gets on this thread she is furious how you handled all of this. You made endless promises. Well we will just wait and she what she has to say. __________________ HD and 4k Content Production by JayRock http://jayspov.net http://blackforwife.com http://cospimps.com SKYPE JAYROCKCONTENT [email protected] Twitter @jayrockcontent

02-04-2008, 11:50 PM	#38
martinsc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 27,047	popcorn time.... __________________ Make Money

02-05-2008, 12:09 AM	#46
Jay-Rock Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Porn Valley Posts: 2,779	Oh so I guess they are mine? If Pancho Dog doesnt have them then I guess I can sell them. Don't worry that little kid just wants his change. __________________ HD and 4k Content Production by JayRock http://jayspov.net http://blackforwife.com http://cospimps.com SKYPE JAYROCKCONTENT [email protected] Twitter @jayrockcontent

02-05-2008, 12:14 AM	#47
sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	hmmmm, interesting read __________________