So this is what you call "American freedom" - GoFuckYourself.com

Nydahl · 10-04-2002, 03:18 PM

So VISA says - this site is ok and this one is not.And if site is ok then pay and of course become a part of american tax system.I live in small and poor country but I am glad to be here.
I don't care about 750 USD (I won't be accepted anyway) but I simply don't like it
take care guys
anyway some offers for my site? :-)
Jakub
PS: famous Czech director Milos Forman made a movie about Larry Flint......remmember?

TheFLY · 10-04-2002, 03:33 PM

Damn the content looks good -- you got any movies?

TeraBabes is on your site too!

<img src="http://www.adultczechcontent.com/sets/set074/cover.jpg">

jreaka · 10-04-2002, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nydahl

PS: famous Czech director Milos Forman made a movie about Larry Flint......remmember?

So the fuck what?

10-04-2002, 03:35 PM

The Czech invented beer, too

Nydahl · 10-04-2002, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
Damn the content looks good -- you got any movies?

TeraBabes is on your site too!

<img src="http://www.adultczechcontent.com/sets/set074/cover.jpg">

I have tons of content pics , videos but I am not sure how to stay in business...I will find some solution I had gone trought harder problems in my life
J

Nydahl · 10-04-2002, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by Equinox
The Czech invented beer, too

Of course BUDWAISER is Czech trade mark - originaly produced in BUDejovice city.
i like Guiness
J

jimmyf · 10-04-2002, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nydahl

I have tons of content pics , videos but I am not sure how to stay in business...I will find some solution I had gone trought harder problems in my life
J

You have very good content... What country's allow Paypal.... and would it be hard to open a bank account...

Nydahl · 10-04-2002, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
You have very good content... What country's allow Paypal.... and would it be hard to open a bank account...

I am CZech.Paypal doesn't accept CZech.Your content is absolutely top that's for sure .I have prepared an up date with my the best sets but now...I don't know.....

Fletch XXX · 10-04-2002, 03:46 PM

What Visa does has no reflection on our freedom. Don't make this an American fault. Idiot.

Nydahl · 10-04-2002, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
What Visa does has no reflection on our freedom. Don't make this an American fault. Idiot.

I don't fletch but I just don't like that you have no other choise - just accept the someone else decision touching your business.And don't call me idiot you don't know me and I would never call you an idiot - thats the difference between us (not the only one)

Rictor · 10-04-2002, 03:54 PM

There are always choices.

Nydahl · 10-04-2002, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor
There are always choices.

What is your choise if you run an extreme site?Take me easy please my english is bad so maybe I don't understand situation well...

Rochard · 10-04-2002, 04:19 PM

I hate to say this... But yes, This is what we call American Freedom. The recent action by Visa is for a number of reasons; One of them must be to prevent people from out of the country making money and not reporting it as taxes.

Amputate Your Head · 10-04-2002, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard
I hate to say this... But yes, This is what we call American Freedom. The recent action by Visa is for a number of reasons; One of them must be to prevent people from out of the country making money and not reporting it as taxes.

What??!!

Since when does Visa NEED to care whether people in OTHER countries pay their fuckin' taxes?? Is Visa a fucking global government now?

jimmyf · 10-04-2002, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nydahl

I am CZech.Paypal doesn't accept CZech.Your content is absolutely top that's for sure .I have prepared an up date with my the best sets but now...I don't know.....

You did not understand me... can you go to Germany and open a Bank account... I don't know if Paypal is ok in Germany or not. But I know it is in some country's over there... So maybe you should check it out.... go to Paypal site and look....

Nydahl · 10-04-2002, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmyf
You did not understand me... can you go to Germany and open a Bank account... I don't know if Paypal is ok in Germany or not. But I know it is in some country's over there... So maybe you should check it out.... go to Paypal site and look....

Yea thanks I am thinking about that this time.Also my CCprocessor multicards.com (dutch) is making some ways to established aproved German accounts for customers.Thanks for help

Nydahl · 10-04-2002, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

What??!!

Since when does Visa NEED to care whether people in OTHER countries pay their fuckin' taxes?? Is Visa a fucking global government now?

YOU are free man or want to be...

Amputate Your Head · 10-04-2002, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nydahl

YOU are free man or want to be...

yeah, I'm in the United States of VISA.... but that doesn't mean I agree with anything they've done.

Nydahl · 10-04-2002, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard
I hate to say this... But yes, This is what we call American Freedom. The recent action by Visa is for a number of reasons; One of them must be to prevent people from out of the country making money and not reporting it as taxes.

I have nothing personal against americans - you are all OK to me but must agree with Amputate your head

jimmyf · 10-04-2002, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

What??!!

Since when does Visa NEED to care whether people in OTHER countries pay their fuckin' taxes?? Is Visa a fucking global government now?

maybe just maybe the IRS had some thing to do with this.. I do not know but I do know 100% that the reports ccbill, ibill and others will be sending to Visa.. Will go to them (IRS) all they have to do is ask and they will get'm..

IRS is something else. 1 time they rented a Scale from me.. They were checking out a new formula they came up with to catch people that own Laundry Mats.. and the pricks rented the cheapest I had.. Laundry Mats = Cash business.... but if you own one and cheat on your tax's they will get you....

Amputate Your Head · 10-04-2002, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmyf
maybe just maybe the IRS had some thing to do with this.. I do not know but I do know 100% that the reports ccbill, ibill and others will be sending to Visa.. Will go to them (IRS) all they have to do is ask and they will get'm..

I don't see how Visa OR the IRS has any right to stick their fuckin' noses into the business of people out of country.

Ian · 10-04-2002, 04:39 PM

Why is it that people can use Visa all over the world but anyone accepting Visa for payment has to have a US "presence", Tax ID# & a US Bank account?

If this isn't a huge clusterfuck by an arrogant US company/monopoly I don't know what is.

Nedder · 10-04-2002, 04:40 PM

Let's bomb the Czech Republic, give them a little American Freedom up the ass.

Nz

Nydahl · 10-04-2002, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nedder
Let's bomb the Czech Republic, give them a little American Freedom up the ass.

Nz

Czech country is too small to bomb it.Send 20 soldiers that's enought.

jimmyf · 10-04-2002, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

I don't see how Visa OR the IRS has any right to stick their fuckin' noses into the business of people out of country.

I agree with you... it's all about the $$$ and off shore shit... they will give the IRS your info now if you have an off shore credit card,,people were doing millions this way.... no tax... put your money off shore and get a Visa or Master Card with that bank.. this shit with the porn biz... just watch there will be other stuff...
and it is not just the porn business it's any business that Visa thinks is High Risk for NOW.... like I said For NOW

boneprone · 10-04-2002, 04:52 PM

Ok, ive said this before and ill say it again.

Pay Cash, or use the Jesus Dialer.
The only way to go.

ControlThy · 10-04-2002, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nedder
Let's bomb the Czech Republic, give them a little American Freedom up the ass.

Nz

Take it easy Rambo, put down your weapon.

jimmyf · 10-04-2002, 04:54 PM

I signed up with Pay Cash today...

looks Real good so far... Dam easy to set up.... I was done in less that an hour

Nydahl · 10-04-2002, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

Take it easy Rambo, put down your weapon.

Hey you fool we are poor we have no guns just swords from 16th century :-)

10-04-2002, 05:00 PM

Odkud si ? Ja jsem se narodil v Praze ...

Nydahl · 10-04-2002, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by Equinox
Odkud si ? Ja jsem se narodil v Praze ...

Jmenuji se Jakub a jsem taky z Prahy.Where do you live now?

10-04-2002, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nydahl

Jmenuji se Jakub a jsem taky z Prahy.Where do you live now?

Ohio.

Rochard · 10-04-2002, 07:59 PM

I don't think Visa gives a shit about who is paying what in taxes. But who knows who put Visa up this?

The IRS? I'm sure the IRS is pissed at what's going on at all levels. A webmaster in Russia or in a hut in some third world country can make US dollars by the truckloads, and there is nothing the IRS can do about it.

The credit card processors pay me, but I'm in the US; It's reported to the IRS. If a webmaster lives in Russia there isn't anything the IRS can do about it.

And what about the credit card processors? Don't you guys think they have an interest in this? They want more control over who uses their services, and what they can do when things get turned upside down.

This is just the start of things to come. We'll see much more of this, and in other areas other than just the adult industry.

Amputate Your Head · 10-04-2002, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard
The credit card processors pay me, but I'm in the US; It's reported to the IRS. If a webmaster lives in Russia there isn't anything the IRS can do about it.

see... this is where you lose me.... why should the IRS give a flying shit about some guy in Russia paying US taxes in the first place?

Choker · 10-04-2002, 08:09 PM

Why do the guys with the good content have to put things like this in their liceneses??

Up to thirty (30) images may be used at one time in a thumbnail post URL.

I guess you mean on a tgp or a gallery? Either way this clause is restrictive to the end user.

I would buy your entire inventory, but I stay away from any providers who do not provide proof of age of models or limit how I can use content on my own domains. It's your right to do this of course.

Jayson · 10-04-2002, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
see... this is where you lose me.... why should the IRS give a flying shit about some guy in Russia paying US taxes in the first place?

Exactly..... by this logic all the US webmasters should be paying tax in Australia or Canada or wherever when they use a sponsor there.

Rochard · 10-04-2002, 09:24 PM

That's just it.

I live in the USA. If I'm pushing Platinum Bucks, Platinum Bucks is paying me. Platinum Bucks is paying me for my work; I should be paying taxes in Canada. Money is being transfered across the border and there is nothing Canada can do about it.

Here's another example - When I hire out Hungryman to do work for me.... I'm in the USA, and he's in Canada. I list the money I pay to him with the IRS, but I have no idea if he tells anyone up north about the money I made.

So Visa is trying to clean house - It's trying to kill webmasters will high chargeback rates. And at the same time they are helping the IRS.

gigi · 10-04-2002, 09:36 PM

TarPy · 10-05-2002, 10:34 AM

This is begining to concern me quite a bit. First the beatiality thing, which I don't support, but seems rather inappropriate for VISA to mandate. After all, I can use American Dollars to buy weed, or to pay for a hit on my wife. Both are illegal to do, however possible with money. More and more everyday credit becomes money, after all without the gold standard, what is money but credit enough to buy something else. There is no garentee that with inflation the dollar I give you today will buy something that would be on the dollar menu today, because it might be $1.09 tomorrow. So, to me VISA and MasterCard basically have a oligopoly on the credit industry.

That being said, I feel that credit is such a necessary element to today's economic system that it should be handled almost like currency. That it should be a government system. However, that scares me even more due to the paper trail that it creates. Not that most things that I do are illegal, but assuming this progressed into our total currency being all card based, then how would you buy a folex on the street, or weed from a dealer. Bah, I don't know what I started out saying, other than the amount of power VISA is wielding is scary as hell.

TarPy

Carrie · 10-05-2002, 11:34 AM

Here's what I don't get.
Let's say I fly to Australia on a vacation. I find a hat there that I like. I pay for it, I take it home. The merchant doesn't have to have an established "presence" to take my money or my credit card. The only taxes the merchant pays are the ones Australia says he has to pay.

Now I'm home. I surf to an australian porn site. I like it, I sign up. But now, for some reason, the merchant *does* have to have an established "presence" in order to take my money or my credit card, *and* the merchant has to pay US taxes because I paid in US currency(or US credit). Then the merchant also has to pay Australian taxes on that money.

THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE.

Why does the situation change between my physically buying something from an Australian merchant and me virtually buying something from an Australian merchant??

It doesn't make sense!

Amputate Your Head · 10-05-2002, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard
That's just it.

I live in the USA. If I'm pushing Platinum Bucks, Platinum Bucks is paying me. Platinum Bucks is paying me for my work; I should be paying taxes in Canada. Money is being transfered across the border and there is nothing Canada can do about it.

Here's another example - When I hire out Hungryman to do work for me.... I'm in the USA, and he's in Canada. I list the money I pay to him with the IRS, but I have no idea if he tells anyone up north about the money I made.

So Visa is trying to clean house - It's trying to kill webmasters will high chargeback rates. And at the same time they are helping the IRS.

"Helping the IRS"??? How are they helping the fucking IRS? The guy is in a DIFFERENT FUCKING COUNTRY!!! The IRS has NO CLAIM to that money. What the fuck do they care if, when, how, or why someone in ANOTHER country is paying his goddamned taxes?

This STILL does not make any sense Roc.

UnseenWorld · 10-05-2002, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nydahl
So VISA says - this site is ok and this one is not.And if site is ok then pay and of course become a part of american tax system.I live in small and poor country but I am glad to be here.
I don't care about 750 USD (I won't be accepted anyway) but I simply don't like it
take care guys
anyway some offers for my site? :-)
Jakub
PS: famous Czech director Milos Forman made a movie about Larry Flint......remmember?

Like most outsiders, you don't recognize a distinction between the public and private sectors. Our vaunted freedoms are mostly from government interference and control. The private sector has a much freer hand, and the credit card companies are private corporations.

Amputate Your Head · 10-05-2002, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard
That's just it.

I live in the USA. If I'm pushing Platinum Bucks, Platinum Bucks is paying me. Platinum Bucks is paying me for my work; I should be paying taxes in Canada.

You actually feel you should be paying Canadian taxes??

You definately got a bizarre way of looking at things there Roc....

So, by that logic, all of us... no matter what country you live in, should be paying the taxes for every country on Earth. It's only right you know, because up until now, we've been evading those other countries taxes.

Are you insane??

Amputate Your Head · 10-05-2002, 11:57 AM

Roc.... I really hope you are not being serious with this line of debate. You have to realize that what you are saying is utter madness.

Let's look within our own country for a moment. The US is made up of 50 states. So, if I'm to follow your logic, and I'm in Hawaii and a sponsor from California is paying me for promotion, then I should be paying California State income taxes? And any other state's taxes that I get money from?

Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? And then to expand it beyond international borders and say that I, you, we, or some other guy should be paying another country's income taxes?

Please Roc..... tell me you are really just kidding.

Nydahl · 10-05-2002, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
Why do the guys with the good content have to put things like this in their liceneses??

Up to thirty (30) images may be used at one time in a thumbnail post URL.

I guess you mean on a tgp or a gallery? Either way this clause is restrictive to the end user.

I would buy your entire inventory, but I stay away from any providers who do not provide proof of age of models or limit how I can use content on my own domains. It's your right to do this of course.

contact me on email.I will explain.Of course you can do whatever you want exept resell.We have proof of age - Actors holding ID's
take care

Paul Markham · 10-05-2002, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nydahl

Czech country is too small to bomb it.Send 20 soldiers that's enought.

If they are men they would never get out of the night clubs, best send 20 straight woman soldiers.

Nydahl · 10-05-2002, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
If they are men they would never get out of the night clubs, best send 20 straight woman soldiers.

HEllo
you probably know what you are talking about he?

I would defenitely prefer woman soldiers too...

Paul Markham · 10-05-2002, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
Why do the guys with the good content have to put things like this in their liceneses??

Up to thirty (30) images may be used at one time in a thumbnail post URL.

I guess you mean on a tgp or a gallery? Either way this clause is restrictive to the end user.

I would buy your entire inventory, but I stay away from any providers who do not provide proof of age of models or limit how I can use content on my own domains. It's your right to do this of course.

Simple, if you spread the whole set for free across free sites it devalues the set. Those sites are meant as teasers, excactly how many images do you need to tease with?

Of course a lot of providers as you have noticed with inferior content will do anything to get a sale.

But I agree 101% with your thing about documents, there is no reason for a Content Provider not to supply them. The "Privacy" excuse goes out the window the moment we stick her up on our sites with her legs open and she took our money for the right to do so.

Paul Markham · 10-05-2002, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nydahl

HEllo
you probably know what you are talking about he?
I would defenitely prefer woman soldiers too...

Tooo right, anyone not understand about the night clubs here. They are brothels, some are quite nice and some not. but all are cheap and CZ woman rock

Petr · 10-05-2002, 02:17 PM

Jakube, pokud chces (promin, ze ti tykam, ale na internetu je to vetsinou tak zazite) jen prodavat fotky, atd. webmasterum, tak nepotrebujes prijimat karty Visa. V klidu pouzivej jen MC, JCB, atd. Na vetsi objednavky bankovni prevod. Drtiva vetsina americkych prodejcu karty vubec neprijima (a nebo ne online).

Pokud skutecne potrebujes prijimat VISA (treba chces provozovat placeny sajt), tak ti zrejme nezbude nic jineho nez zalozit firmu v USA, coz neni vubec slozite. Muzes ji zalozit jako fyzicka osoba (jako Cech) nebo jako dcerku tve soucasne firmy (at uz je kdekoliv). Nicmene s tim souvisi dalsi (radove tisicove) naklady na provoz (predevsim ucetnictvi), ktere jsou imho zbytecne (viz vyse).

Suma sumarum - pro prodej fotek/videi webmasterum si s Visou nedelej tezkou hlavu.

10-04-2002, 03:18 PM	#1
Nydahl Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: closer then it appears Posts: 6,655	So this is what you call "American freedom" So VISA says - this site is ok and this one is not.And if site is ok then pay and of course become a part of american tax system.I live in small and poor country but I am glad to be here. I don't care about 750 USD (I won't be accepted anyway) but I simply don't like it take care guys anyway some offers for my site? :-) Jakub PS: famous Czech director Milos Forman made a movie about Larry Flint......remmember? __________________ www.garciniatrio.com www.acaitrio.com www.greencoffeetrio.com ICQ 153918034 email [email protected] Last edited by Nydahl; 10-04-2002 at 03:28 PM..

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10-04-2002, 04:19 PM	#13
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,576	I hate to say this... But yes, This is what we call American Freedom. The recent action by Visa is for a number of reasons; One of them must be to prevent people from out of the country making money and not reporting it as taxes. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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10-04-2002, 03:35 PM	#4
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	The Czech invented beer, too

10-04-2002, 03:54 PM	#11
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	There are always choices.

10-04-2002, 04:39 PM	#22
Ian Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,259	Why is it that people can use Visa all over the world but anyone accepting Visa for payment has to have a US "presence", Tax ID# & a US Bank account? If this isn't a huge clusterfuck by an arrogant US company/monopoly I don't know what is.

10-04-2002, 04:40 PM	#23
Nedder Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 555	Let's bomb the Czech Republic, give them a little American Freedom up the ass. Nz

10-04-2002, 05:00 PM	#30
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Odkud si ? Ja jsem se narodil v Praze ...

10-04-2002, 07:59 PM	#33
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,576	I don't think Visa gives a shit about who is paying what in taxes. But who knows who put Visa up this? The IRS? I'm sure the IRS is pissed at what's going on at all levels. A webmaster in Russia or in a hut in some third world country can make US dollars by the truckloads, and there is nothing the IRS can do about it. The credit card processors pay me, but I'm in the US; It's reported to the IRS. If a webmaster lives in Russia there isn't anything the IRS can do about it. And what about the credit card processors? Don't you guys think they have an interest in this? They want more control over who uses their services, and what they can do when things get turned upside down. This is just the start of things to come. We'll see much more of this, and in other areas other than just the adult industry. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

10-04-2002, 08:09 PM	#35
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	Why do the guys with the good content have to put things like this in their liceneses?? Up to thirty (30) images may be used at one time in a thumbnail post URL. I guess you mean on a tgp or a gallery? Either way this clause is restrictive to the end user. I would buy your entire inventory, but I stay away from any providers who do not provide proof of age of models or limit how I can use content on my own domains. It's your right to do this of course. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

10-04-2002, 09:24 PM	#37
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,576	That's just it. I live in the USA. If I'm pushing Platinum Bucks, Platinum Bucks is paying me. Platinum Bucks is paying me for my work; I should be paying taxes in Canada. Money is being transfered across the border and there is nothing Canada can do about it. Here's another example - When I hire out Hungryman to do work for me.... I'm in the USA, and he's in Canada. I list the money I pay to him with the IRS, but I have no idea if he tells anyone up north about the money I made. So Visa is trying to clean house - It's trying to kill webmasters will high chargeback rates. And at the same time they are helping the IRS. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

10-04-2002, 09:36 PM	#38
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10-05-2002, 10:34 AM	#39
TarPy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 758	This is begining to concern me quite a bit. First the beatiality thing, which I don't support, but seems rather inappropriate for VISA to mandate. After all, I can use American Dollars to buy weed, or to pay for a hit on my wife. Both are illegal to do, however possible with money. More and more everyday credit becomes money, after all without the gold standard, what is money but credit enough to buy something else. There is no garentee that with inflation the dollar I give you today will buy something that would be on the dollar menu today, because it might be $1.09 tomorrow. So, to me VISA and MasterCard basically have a oligopoly on the credit industry. That being said, I feel that credit is such a necessary element to today's economic system that it should be handled almost like currency. That it should be a government system. However, that scares me even more due to the paper trail that it creates. Not that most things that I do are illegal, but assuming this progressed into our total currency being all card based, then how would you buy a folex on the street, or weed from a dealer. Bah, I don't know what I started out saying, other than the amount of power VISA is wielding is scary as hell. TarPy __________________ Not Working

10-05-2002, 11:34 AM	#40
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	Here's what I don't get. Let's say I fly to Australia on a vacation. I find a hat there that I like. I pay for it, I take it home. The merchant doesn't have to have an established "presence" to take my money or my credit card. The only taxes the merchant pays are the ones Australia says he has to pay. Now I'm home. I surf to an australian porn site. I like it, I sign up. But now, for some reason, the merchant does have to have an established "presence" in order to take my money or my credit card, and the merchant has to pay US taxes because I paid in US currency(or US credit). Then the merchant also has to pay Australian taxes on that money. THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE. Why does the situation change between my physically buying something from an Australian merchant and me virtually buying something from an Australian merchant?? It doesn't make sense!

10-05-2002, 11:57 AM	#44
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Roc.... I really hope you are not being serious with this line of debate. You have to realize that what you are saying is utter madness. Let's look within our own country for a moment. The US is made up of 50 states. So, if I'm to follow your logic, and I'm in Hawaii and a sponsor from California is paying me for promotion, then I should be paying California State income taxes? And any other state's taxes that I get money from? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? And then to expand it beyond international borders and say that I, you, we, or some other guy should be paying another country's income taxes? Please Roc..... tell me you are really just kidding. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

10-05-2002, 02:17 PM	#50
Petr Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 502	Jakube, pokud chces (promin, ze ti tykam, ale na internetu je to vetsinou tak zazite) jen prodavat fotky, atd. webmasterum, tak nepotrebujes prijimat karty Visa. V klidu pouzivej jen MC, JCB, atd. Na vetsi objednavky bankovni prevod. Drtiva vetsina americkych prodejcu karty vubec neprijima (a nebo ne online). Pokud skutecne potrebujes prijimat VISA (treba chces provozovat placeny sajt), tak ti zrejme nezbude nic jineho nez zalozit firmu v USA, coz neni vubec slozite. Muzes ji zalozit jako fyzicka osoba (jako Cech) nebo jako dcerku tve soucasne firmy (at uz je kdekoliv). Nicmene s tim souvisi dalsi (radove tisicove) naklady na provoz (predevsim ucetnictvi), ktere jsou imho zbytecne (viz vyse). Suma sumarum - pro prodej fotek/videi webmasterum si s Visou nedelej tezkou hlavu.