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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 01-30-2008 07:17 PM

50 Class Actions!

I'll believe it when I see it.

severe 01-30-2008 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ultimatebbwdotcom (Post 13720053)
but instead agree that tubes etc have to hand over the details of uploaders on request

ur just solidifying my point, this basically happened with p2p already and the music industry and it changed nothing. torrent was the result.

and like i said theres always another source. unless the swiss change their laws around as of right now thepiratebay.com are not only untouchable, but theyre suing some of the largest companies in the world for fucking with their shit. and stand a good chance of winning thanks to media defenders huge leak on their activities and clients.

WarChild 01-30-2008 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 13719916)
Yeah the downside would be that those outside of California would be excluded though I am sure NY and Vancouver would also adapt similar laws as they are also very big in entertainment production.

FYI, in Canada we don't just "adopt laws".

A good example was our courts telling the RIA to go fuck themselves, ruling that Canadian ISPs did not have to give over customer information from IP addresses.

We pay a tax on recordable media in Canada, paid to artists, to combat copyright infringement.

After Shock Media 01-30-2008 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13720193)
FYI, in Canada we don't just "adopt laws".

A good example was our courts telling the RIA to go fuck themselves, ruling that Canadian ISPs did not have to give over customer information from IP addresses.

We pay a tax on recordable media in Canada, paid to artists, to combat copyright infringement.

I said adapt but you probablly knew that. I really have no clue about how Canada does their legal system. I just figured that since they could make one of their own versions.

I know I do see that tax statement on many tv shows and movies made in Canada. Not sure about music as I have never purchased any Canadian music that I am aware of. Though I am not sure if say Canada's tax stuff also goes into video games and that sort of shit either.

Though on same thought Vancouver would nor NY would not even need to comply for the legal actions to start.

tony286 01-30-2008 08:18 PM

Suing the tubes that will be waste of time and money. The key is to do what fred goldman is doing.

xxxjay 01-30-2008 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13720288)
Suing the tubes that will be waste of time and money. The key is to do what fred goldman is doing.

Well, I have a meeting with a real live attorney tomorrow.

What did Fred Goldman do?

GigoloMason 01-30-2008 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 13719361)
Brad's right here. Any damages that are won, almost all of it will go to the lawyers. Even if your lucky and it shuts down the tube sites, tomorrow there will be brand new domains with the same database backends.

I don't mean to sound negative, its just that class actions rarely accomplish much.
WG

Yea, but it raises the cost of doing business. Don't have to kill em outright just have to change the risks\rewards equasion.

tony286 01-30-2008 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 13720304)
Well, I have a meeting with a real live attorney tomorrow.

What did Fred Goldman do?

They are going after the advertisers I quote:

"It's the wealth through the advertising that allows the site to remain. Ron Goldman LLC will never be able to stop these pirates from posting that book online but they can do that in the poorhouse," David Cook, Fred Goldman's lawyer, told AP.

CarlosTheGaucho 01-30-2008 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13720319)
They are going after the advertisers I quote:

"It's the wealth through the advertising that allows the site to remain. Ron Goldman LLC will never be able to stop these pirates from posting that book online but they can do that in the poorhouse," David Cook, Fred Goldman's lawyer, told AP.

Yeah, just the advertisers have lots of money already and law doesn't equal to justice..

BradShaw 01-30-2008 09:26 PM

I am just anti lawyer, especially 99.9% of the lawyers around this biz. They will sell you the sky, and deliver nada. Seen it happen time and time and time again. Regardless though, as the owner of over 2000 exclusive scenes/sets, I wish you all the luck in the world and would love to see these idiots shut down.

xxxjay 01-30-2008 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw (Post 13720523)
I am just anti lawyer, especially 99.9% of the lawyers around this biz. They will sell you the sky, and deliver nada. Seen it happen time and time and time again. Regardless though, as the owner of over 2000 exclusive scenes/sets, I wish you all the luck in the world and would love to see these idiots shut down.

I am with you 100% on the lawyer thing. We are shopping about 3 right now for this thing.

I have a theory, that will be able to take every one of these morons out without even much money or expense.

Hit me up if you are interested in more info.

Fap 01-30-2008 10:20 PM

Hope this works guys, nice bump for the cause

ultimatebbwdotcom 01-30-2008 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by severe (Post 13720125)
ur just solidifying my point, this basically happened with p2p already and the music industry and it changed nothing. torrent was the result.

and like i said theres always another source. unless the swiss change their laws around as of right now thepiratebay.com are not only untouchable, but theyre suing some of the largest companies in the world for fucking with their shit. and stand a good chance of winning thanks to media defenders huge leak on their activities and clients.

That wasn't a solution or suggestion lol, just something that came into my head at the time of posting.

But unless people make efforts no change will come at all, even minor ones. Even if it sharing exists to some degree which is of course unavoidable, id rather make it 10 times harder for surfers to find and download than simply going to a tube site and hitting play on full length vids.

pocketkangaroo 01-30-2008 11:33 PM

I think that knocking out the local tube sites is a good thing. Hitting hosts and so on will somewhat slow down the trend. Still, as others have mentioned, it just takes a server in Sweden and they are untouchable.

Going after the advertisers and processors is the key. The harder you hit their revenue streams, the less profit there is. This means if you see company's ads next to your full length video, you sue them. They are directly profiting off your copyrighted material. They are using the tube site as a way of laundering money by hiding behind them. The minute you start knocking off their options for revenue is when they have trouble staying afloat.

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tcsfounder 01-31-2008 12:09 AM

I just don't understand how these fuckers aren't getting a knock on the door by feds for 2257 shit, while i have to paste my name and address on every fucking thing i put out to the world. The 2257 regs alone should stop these guys dead in their tracks, end of story.

WarChild 01-31-2008 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tcsfounder (Post 13720986)
I just don't understand how these fuckers aren't getting a knock on the door by feds for 2257 shit, while i have to paste my name and address on every fucking thing i put out to the world. The 2257 regs alone should stop these guys dead in their tracks, end of story.

There's this place just outside of the USA called the rest of the World. 2257 doesn't apply there.

scottybuzz 01-31-2008 12:17 AM

i wonder if u go after mr madawgz?!?!

stickyfingerz 01-31-2008 12:20 AM

Herding cats, and content is still streaming out for a 3.95 trial price. gigs and gigs of content for less than what a value mean at mcDonalds costs. :error

xxxjay 01-31-2008 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 13721014)
i wonder if u go after mr madawgz?!?!

I've got a pretty solid strategy that if capleable of knocking them offline.

If that fails...We sues the hosts.

If that fails...we go after advertisers.

munki 01-31-2008 02:09 AM

<--- Interested...

RomaCash 01-31-2008 03:07 AM

go on to shut down megarotic:)

cosis 01-31-2008 10:03 AM

bump ....

Dirty F 01-31-2008 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradShaw (Post 13720523)
I am just anti lawyer, especially 99.9% of the lawyers around this biz. They will sell you the sky, and deliver nada. Seen it happen time and time and time again. Regardless though, as the owner of over 2000 exclusive scenes/sets, I wish you all the luck in the world and would love to see these idiots shut down.

Shut who down? All tubesites?

I doubt it but maybe theyll shut down 2 sites. Really nice but like i said before, in the meantime 200 others opened.

seeric 01-31-2008 02:40 PM

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GigoloMason 01-31-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 13721020)
Herding cats, and content is still streaming out for a 3.95 trial price. gigs and gigs of content for less than what a value mean at mcDonalds costs. :error

Pricing is dictated by avalability of substitutes. Push to hard and people flee to free alternatives even faster.


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