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BlackCrayon 01-29-2008 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Forest (Post 13713633)
Im am speaking from personal experience.

I was a 24/7 smoker of killer green bud for 20+ years. Since quitting my lung capacity and function has increased dramatically according to my dr.

I dont know what the government propaganda is about the drug. I do believe it should be legalized but I do believe its more harmfull then cigs.

Let me guess, you still smoke cigarettes.

After Shock Media 01-29-2008 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Forest (Post 13713633)
Im am speaking from personal experience.

I was a 24/7 smoker of killer green bud for 20+ years. Since quitting my lung capacity and function has increased dramatically according to my dr.

I dont know what the government propaganda is about the drug. I do believe it should be legalized but I do believe its more harmfull then cigs.

Scientific studies have shown that not to be the case though. Yet I am not about to say inhalling any form of smoke into your lungs is healthful either. So if you shall use it use a vaporizer, tonic, or just eat it.

Then those that use joints also get effects of the paper and thoe who like blunts get processed tobacco added into the mix to boot.

WarChild 01-29-2008 11:38 AM

It's never good to inhale super heated gas in to the lungs. However, the largest study done to date clearly shows NO link between Lung Cancer and Marijuana smoke.

Some have theorized that some property of Marijuana may actively destroy weak or dying cells, leaving only strong and more cancer resistant cells.

hateman 01-29-2008 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13713675)
the largest study done to date clearly shows NO link between Lung Cancer and Marijuana smoke.

Got link?

WarChild 01-29-2008 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13713686)
Got link?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...L&type=science

After Shock Media 01-29-2008 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13713675)
It's never good to inhale super heated gas in to the lungs. However, the largest study done to date clearly shows NO link between Lung Cancer and Marijuana smoke.

Some have theorized that some property of Marijuana may actively destroy weak or dying cells, leaving only strong and more cancer resistant cells.

Problem is, that this will be their last study allowed as it is fairly well known that if you perform a study and want the marijuana exemption that legally allows you to study the drug you must only post negative results which ussually and almost always are overturned by another country who are not so draconian when it comes to drug studies.

xroach 01-29-2008 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13713686)
Got link?

posted 3 of them a page ago

hateman 01-29-2008 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13713701)

"The new findings "were against our expectations," said Dr. Donald Tashkin, a UCLA pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years."

This pothead has been getting stoned for 30 years straight.

Yeah, he's not biased.

:1orglaugh

WarChild 01-29-2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13713741)
"The new findings "were against our expectations," said Dr. Donald Tashkin, a UCLA pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years."

This pothead has been getting stoned for 30 years straight.

Yeah, he's not biased.

:1orglaugh

Uhhh it doesn't say he smokes pot. The goverment has been using his findings for a long time AGAINST Marijuana.

SmokeyTheBear 01-29-2008 11:53 AM

gives you low sperm count also , thats why hippies never have any kids..

hateman 01-29-2008 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13713759)
Uhhh it doesn't say he smokes pot. The goverment has been using his findings for a long time AGAINST Marijuana.

Are you in denial?

hateman 01-29-2008 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13713701)

"Earlier work established that marijuana does contain cancer-causing chemicals as potentially harmful as those in tobacco, he said. "

dstaff 01-29-2008 12:01 PM

these facts are skewed against MANY MANY other better studies done.

WarChild 01-29-2008 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13713774)
Are you in denial?

In Denial of what? I sort of doubt this doctor is what you describe as a pothead.

However, even if he did smoke everyday for 30 years like you claim, he'd still enormously more qualified by virtue of being a Pulmanologist than somebody like say you, as a source of information about Lung Cancer.

Of course, you don't actually want to discuss or debate any subject, you just want to stir up emotions so there's no sense trying to educate you.

dstaff 01-29-2008 12:04 PM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cp2Ntjridp0

10-20 joints a day for 25 years. His lungs are in PERFECT condition

notoldschool 01-29-2008 12:05 PM

Annual Causes of Death in the United States
Tobacco 435,0001 --------------------------------------------------BINGO
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,0001
Alcohol 85,000 1
Microbial Agents 75,0001
Toxic Agents 55,0001
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,3471
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,0002
Suicide 30,6223
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,0001
Homicide 20,3084
Sexual Behaviors 20,0001
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,0001, 5
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,6006
Marijuana 07 --------------------------------------------------BINGO


(2000): "The leading causes of death in 2000 were tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths), poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000 deaths; 16.6%), and alcohol consumption (85,000 deaths; 3.5%). Other actual causes of death were microbial agents (75,000), toxic agents (55,000), motor vehicle crashes (43,000), incidents involving firearms (29,000), sexual behaviors (20,000), and illicit use of drugs (17,000)."
(Note: According to a correction published by the Journal on Jan. 19, 2005, "On page 1240, in Table 2, '400,000 (16.6)' deaths for 'poor diet and physical inactivity' in 2000 should be '365,000 (15.2).' A dagger symbol should be added to 'alcohol consumption' in the body of the table and a dagger footnote should be added with 'in 1990 data, deaths from alcohol-related crashes are included in alcohol consumption deaths, but not in motor vehicle deaths. In 2000 data, 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related crashes are included in both alcohol consumption and motor vehicle death categories." Source: Journal of the American Medical Association, Jan. 19, 2005, Vol. 293, No. 3, p. 298.)

Source: Mokdad, Ali H., PhD, James S. Marks, MD, MPH, Donna F. Stroup, PhD, MSc, Julie L. Gerberding, MD, MPH, "Actual Causes of Death in the United States, 2000," Journal of the American Medical Association, March 10, 2004, Vol. 291, No. 10, pp. 1238, 1241.


(2000): "Illicit drug use is associated with suicide, homicide, motor-vehicle injury, HIV infection, pneumonia, violence, mental illness, and hepatitis. An estimated 3 million individuals in the United States have serious drug problems. Several studies have reported an undercount of the number of deaths attributed to drugs by vital statistics; however, improved medical treatments have reduced mortality from many diseases associated with illicit drug use. In keeping with the report by McGinnis and Foege, we included deaths caused indirectly by illicit drug use in this category. We used attributable fractions to compute the number of deaths due to illicit drug use. Overall, we estimate that illicit drug use resulted in approximately 17000 deaths in 2000, a reduction of 3000 deaths from the 1990 report."

Source: Mokdad, Ali H., PhD, James S. Marks, MD, MPH, Donna F. Stroup, PhD, MSc, Julie L. Gerberding, MD, MPH, "Actual Causes of Death in the United States, 2000," Journal of the American Medical Association, March 10, 2004, Vol. 291, No. 10, p. 1242.


(2003): The US Centers for Disease Control reports that in 2003, there were a total of 31,484 deaths from suicide in the US.

Source: Hoyert, Donna L., PhD, Heron, Melonie P., PhD, Murphy, Sherry L., BS, Kung, Hsiang-Ching, PhD; Division of Vital Statistics, "Deaths: Final Data for 2003," National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 54, No. 13 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, April 19, 2006), p. 5, Table C.


(2003): The US Centers for Disease Control reports that in 2003, there were a total of 17,732 deaths from homicide in the US.

Source: Hoyert, Donna L., PhD, Heron, Melonie P., PhD, Murphy, Sherry L., BS, Kung, Hsiang-Ching, PhD; Division of Vital Statistics, "Deaths: Final Data for 2003," National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 54, No. 13 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, April 19, 2006), p. 5, Table C.


(2003): "In 2003, a total of 28,723 persons died of drug-induced causes in the United States (Tables 21 and 22). The category 'drug-induced causes' includes not only deaths from dependent and nondependent use of drugs (legal and illegal use), but also poisoning from medically prescribed and other drugs. It excludes unintentional injuries, homicides, and other causes indirectly related to drug use. Also excluded are newborn deaths due to mother’s drug use."

Source: Hoyert, Donna L., PhD, Heron, Melonie P., PhD, Murphy, Sherry L., BS, Kung, Hsiang-Ching, PhD; Division of Vital Statistics, "Deaths: Final Data for 2003," National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 54, No. 13 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, April 19, 2006), p. 10.


(2003): "In 2003, a total of 20,687 persons died of alcohol-induced causes in the United States (Tables 23 and 24). The category 'alcohol-induced causes' includes not only deaths from dependent and nondependent use of alcohol, but also accidental poisoning by alcohol. It excludes unintentional injuries, homicides, and other causes indirectly related to alcohol use as well as deaths due to fetal alcohol syndrome."

Source: Hoyert, Donna L., PhD, Heron, Melonie P., PhD, Murphy, Sherry L., BS, Kung, Hsiang-Ching, PhD; Division of Vital Statistics, "Deaths: Final Data for 2003," National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 54, No. 13 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, April 19, 2006), p. 10.


(1996): "Each year, use of NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States." (NSAIDs include aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, diclofenac, ketoprofen, and tiaprofenic acid.)

Source: Robyn Tamblyn, PhD; Laeora Berkson, MD, MHPE, FRCPC; W. Dale Jauphinee, MD, FRCPC; David Gayton, MD, PhD, FRCPC; Roland Grad, MD, MSc; Allen Huang, MD, FRCPC; Lisa Isaac, PhD; Peter McLeod, MD, FRCPC; and Linda Snell, MD, MHPE, FRCPC, "Unnecessary Prescribing of NSAIDs and the Management of NSAID-Related Gastropathy in Medical Practice," Annals of Internal Medicine (Washington, DC: American College of Physicians, 1997), September 15, 1997, 127:429-438, from the web at http://www.acponline.org/journals/an...ep97/nsaid.htm, last accessed Feb. 14, 2001, citing Fries, JF, "Assessing and understanding patient risk," Scandinavian Journal of Rheumatology Supplement, 1992;92:21-4.


(Average 1982-1998): According to Canadian researchers, approximately 32,000 hospitalized patients (and possibly as many as 106,000) in the USA die each year because of adverse reactions to their prescribed medications.

Source: Lazarou, J, Pomeranz, BH, Corey, PN, "Incidence of adverse drug reactions in hospitalized patients: a meta-analysis of prospective studies," Journal of the American Medical Association (Chicago, IL: American Medical Association, 1998), 1998;279:1200-1205, also letters column, "Adverse Drug Reactions in Hospitalized Patients," JAMA (Chicago, IL: AMA, 1998), Nov. 25, 1998, Vol. 280, No. 20, from the web at http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v280...jlt1125-1.html, last accessed Feb. 12, 2001.


An exhaustive search of the literature finds no credible reports of deaths induced by marijuana. The US Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) records instances of drug mentions in medical examiners' reports, and though marijuana is mentioned, it is usually in combination with alcohol or other drugs. Marijuana alone has not been shown to cause an overdose death.

Source: Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN), available on the web at http://www.samhsa.gov/; also see Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A. Benson, Jr., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999), available on the web at http://www.nap.edu/html/marimed/; and US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition" (Docket #86-22), September 6, 1988, p. 57.

WarChild 01-29-2008 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13713794)
"Earlier work established that marijuana does contain cancer-causing chemicals as potentially harmful as those in tobacco, he said. "

Why crop the rest of that paragraph?

" However, marijuana also contains the chemical THC, which he said may kill aging cells and keep them from becoming cancerous. "

It's pretty easy to follow this stuff so I'm not sure where you got lost. His earlier work has established that while Marijuana contains chemicals believed to be a factor in causing cancers, this study which is a specific study on the links between Marijuana use and Lung Cancer has shown there is none.

Tom_PM 01-29-2008 12:09 PM

Unfiltered cigarettes are 20 times worse than filtered cigarettes too.
blah blah blah nobody cares.

People need to die off somehow. Why else is tobacco legal. debate that.

Fap 01-29-2008 03:37 PM

I heard this statistic before but it's hard to believe..

Nookster 01-29-2008 03:42 PM

Intentionally inhaling ANY type of smoke will give you cancer. What they forgot to mention was that the ingestion or other means of taking THC has absolutely no dangerous side-effects whatsoever.
Anti-pot activists 3 2 1....go!

Hollywood Horwitz 01-29-2008 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13713180)
The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.

The new findings "were against our expectations," said Dr. Donald Tashkin, a UCLA pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."

what he said, I'm going with the info provided by UCLA. besides,vaping is the way to go.

D 01-29-2008 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dstaff (Post 13713837)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cp2Ntjridp0

10-20 joints a day for 25 years. His lungs are in PERFECT condition

Nice vid. :thumbsup

notoldschool 01-29-2008 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by banthis (Post 13714852)
I heard this statistic before but it's hard to believe..

Why is that? Because science came up with the opinion instead of the church? Marijuana has been studied for decades and everyone comes to the same conclusion. Its not very harmfull and is actually a very effective medicine. Yet there are thousands of substances that have proven FAR more dangerous, with NO health benifits, yet the goverment has no problem taking its cut from the legal drug dealers that are popping up on every corner. You know, the walgreens, CVS, etc. Walk behind the counter in their pharmacy and there are MANY substances that will not only alter your mind, but very well kill you. If there were no war on drugs how would they get all the funding money lining everyones pockets?

Porn Farmer 01-29-2008 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13713031)
Because it's illegal.

So you let the government make your decisions for you. :1orglaugh

Fucking sheep.

hateman 01-29-2008 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13713843)
Why crop the rest of that paragraph?

" However, marijuana also contains the chemical THC, which he said may kill aging cells and keep them from becoming cancerous. "

Because it's obvious bullshit.

You don't need to be an MD in order to see it.

Porn Farmer 01-29-2008 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13713242)
Alcohol is not addictive, you retard.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The laughs just keep on coming!

This guy has to be the worst troll on GFY.

scottybuzz 01-29-2008 04:40 PM

alcohol isnt addictive LOL

yeh ok good joke hateman


anyway here in england, its rare for people to have pure weed on its own, usualyy mixed with tobacco so therefore you cant help but get fucked.

hateman 01-29-2008 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Porn Farmer (Post 13715092)
So you let the government make your decisions for you. :1orglaugh

Fucking sheep.

If you don't like the government why don't you fuck off to live in the woods?

I'm sure you would not be missed.

hateman 01-29-2008 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nookster (Post 13714882)
Intentionally inhaling ANY type of smoke will give you cancer. What they forgot to mention was that the ingestion or other means of taking THC has absolutely no dangerous side-effects whatsoever.

It's hilarious to watch junkies justify their addictions.

Nookster 01-29-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13715139)
It's hilarious to watch junkies justify their addictions.

What's even funnier is watching the ignorant morons defend outdated and unjustified anti-drug laws. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Nookster 01-29-2008 04:50 PM

Also, what I pointed out, you totally ignored (hence ignorant)
Quote:

Intentionally inhaling ANY type of smoke will give you cancer.
:1orglaugh

notoldschool 01-29-2008 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13715139)
It's hilarious to watch junkies justify their addictions.

Im sure your a fat ass blimp sitting there sucking down Soda, which is full of sugar, which is the most potent drug on this planet. Sugar really has a horrible reaction in the body that kills people all the time but its not illegal. Ciggerettes kill more people in a day than pot will kill all year. FACT.

DivaShane 01-29-2008 05:04 PM

Oh man, I don't even know where to start with this. I know this guy is just trying to work people up and for all I know he's hovering over his keyboard trying not to spill his bong water when he's making his replies.
It never fails to amaze me the kind of pure shit trolls will post just to pump a post count or to try and rile people up.

Porn Farmer 01-29-2008 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13715127)
If you don't like the government why don't you fuck off to live in the woods?

I'm sure you would not be missed.

Sorry chump, I do my thinking for myself. You should try it sometime you conformist drone.

LeRoy 01-29-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13713031)
Because it's illegal.

not if you have a med card and a lawyer like Bruce Margolin.

kektex 01-29-2008 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13713242)
Alcohol is not addictive, you retard.

I have a couple of friends and some uncles that would beg to differ.
On the other hand, Iīve smoked weed in the past and Iīm not addicted. I havenīt smoked in over 8 months.

collegeboobies 01-29-2008 07:45 PM

Where was the lung cancer epidemic from the 60's and 70's potheads in the US?

LOL thats such bullshit, its much less dangerous for your lungs, your lungs actually have receptors for it, there are no receptors for nicotine

Spunky 01-29-2008 07:48 PM

We all gotta go some time..time to twist one up

madfuck 01-29-2008 07:53 PM

wow...........

stev0 01-29-2008 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13713190)
Hey, why not legalize H, Meth and Crack while we are at it?

Moron.

Personally, I think they should. What I want to put into my body is my business. :2 cents:


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