Why do people worry so much about XTUBE when its not the real issue killing us. - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

theking · 01-24-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nick3131

Ok so every other thread is xtube this tube that yadda yadda.

Everyone complains how because those sites are stealing content the conversions are going (or eventually WILL go to shit).

But the problem is not content theft. Content theft is just a small fraction of the problem. At the end of the day its illegal and there are ways of dealing with it.

Whats the real problem? Why are the conversions so much worse today then they were 10 years ago.

Simple....... FREE PORN.

Just think 10 (or more) years ago if you wanted to see any kind of porn on the internet you had to pay for it. You don't go to a porn DVD store where they have dvd players and private booths where you can sample all the porn you want without making any type of purchase. Why? because its bad business.

TGPs, MGPs, Tubes too, they all give out free porn and its perfectly OK because they are allowed to. Its the industry standard and nobody ever mentions it. We just kinda learned how to live with it.

Am I a hypocrit... Me and the company I work for have to compete, we give out just as much free porn to the affiliates as the guy next to us. But that doesn't make the issue go away.

Just my 2 cents. I know most of you have ADD and never made it past the first paragraph. But for those of you who have, something to think about.

I peronally have not seen any major porn site owners complaining about free porn or loss of sales. If you have please educate me and name a few.

Spunky · 01-24-2008, 09:31 PM

Hang the bastards

Yngwie · 01-24-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nick3131

In my opinion.... and u know their like assholes we all have one.... Take away tubes giving out full scenes and you improve conversions GLOBALLY by maybe 5% (and im being generous)... you take away FREE PORN and you improve conversions 1000%... you suddenly have a situation where the demand is higher then the supply (because all the free porn is essentially supply and yet we still manage to make $), which I don't need to teach you is good for everyone in this biz.

maybe so, but many years ago way less surfers knew where to get free porn so even though there was a lot of it available they still paid since they had no idea about the free shit. Now way more surfers know where to get the free porn so that is what's fucking sales and now we introduce tube sites with full length videos and they get a lot of press.. Newspapers, tv etc so even more people find out about this and there goes more sales.

Someone in this thread mentioned BBS's. They offered free porn, so did news groups, you could get a lot of free porn on MIRC etc.. The free porn is not the real problem. The real problem is that more people know where to get it now. Sure, if we take away all the free porn sales would increase, but not as much as you think because they would still find it on other places. Torrent, p2p software, chat rooms where they can swap pics/vids, friends who have access to some pay sites etc..

There's no way in hell to get rid of free porn. It has always been here even before tgps, mgps and link lists. BUT tgps, mgps and link lists never gave away FULL length videos and this is why tube sites, if they continue, will kill sales even more. You may think that they don't affect sales, but they do.

Just imagine, instead of 1000 TGPs/MGPs we replace them with 1000 tube sites all with full length videos. Where do you think all the surfers will go for their porn? Do you actually think that even the ones willing t pay will actually pay when they see that they can get the same content on a tube site for free?

Sure, you'll say that there are some that want specific content and they will buy a membership to a site that has his content. True, but what if they find out that there's a tube site that has this content for free? Well, they will charge back to be an asshole and go to the tube site and get the shit for free. Seeing as they all use stolen content it's safe to say that they will eventually have all the shit that surfers are looking for.

Not saying that you're wrong.. Hell, I could be wrong. Who knows, but this is just the way that I see it.

cj_purve · 01-24-2008, 09:42 PM

every post in this thread assumes that those giving out mass amounts of free porn are doing so to sell memberships to porn sites.

someone, many many years ago, figured out that free porn brings traffic and people other than porn companies buy traffic, especially in those volumes.

Its funny how angry everyone gets about free porn, when what they're really angry about is that someone is eating into their overinflated profit margins and taking a piece of their pie!

nick3131 · 01-24-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cj_purve

every post in this thread assumes that those giving out mass amounts of free porn are doing so to sell memberships to porn sites.

someone, many many years ago, figured out that free porn brings traffic and people other than porn companies buy traffic, especially in those volumes.

Its funny how angry everyone gets about free porn, when what they're really angry about is that someone is eating into their overinflated profit margins and taking a piece of their pie!

Interesting perspective...

After Shock Media · 01-24-2008, 10:02 PM

I unlike many others can take on a fairly large share of free content on the net. I know when I refurbished my content site one night after being fed up with customer demands I figured I would just give my content away with no strings attached instead of selling it. I figured I could make up my money in referrals and advertising which I more than did. Though at that time most sponsors and there was not a lot did not have free content and if they did even the big boys (BA aside) had maybe 2-4 fifteen picture sets for webmasters to share. As you could imagine nobody would list these galleries or free sites people submitted since it was the same old content they had seen a few hundred times. So naturally affiliates had to actually purchase content to promote sites and there was a good chance that any particular model you purchased would never be in the site anyways. So in a way I helped open up Pandora's box. Yet if it was not me it would of been others and others very soon.

Since besides BA other sites were starting to really go exclusive and they realized that purchased material just could not be used to well and then others would buy any sets you would buy just so that they could at very least have the content you were hawking.

Promotional items aside though we had honest TGP's, Top lists, Free Sites, and then of course Circle Jerks. Rarely if ever was a TGP also a CJ. Even back then though people would proclaim TGP traffic was garbage traffic and freeloaders as they converted at like 1:1000 or worse while a free site would often convert at 1:50 to 1:100. Then CJ's were primarily used to abuse PPC sponsors. Honest to gawd you would have to make about thirty clicks to even find a damn picture of a naked chick, usually you would give up and click a banner or accidentally click the wrong text link and end up at a paysite.

Very rarely though did people ogle over the number of daily visitors. Sure there was some rivalries between assorted large TGP and Link List sites but it was nothing more really than a board ego boost. All the affiliates cared about was getting listed, paying for the content they had purchased and often paying for our outlandos bandwidth charges or if you were new making enough off of your free hosted sites without loosing most of your traffic to your host.

As others have also stated the barrier of entry into this business was to low and growing even lower. Early on you were lucky to get under 8.00 a gig, 70.00 domain names, and 1-3 bucks each per picture. So one gallery could be 45.00 plus the domain and bandwidth in the red from the second you put it up. Yet every Christmas we would see a new flock of webmasters who got their x-mass PC and was ready to become a porn mogul.

We all have plenty of mistakes as an industry yet our largest is the amount of material we give out and host for free, and of course out of program owners greed who want as many affiliates as they can get and keep recruiting anyone who will click some links. Since the only barrier now is a couple hundred dollar PC or even less if you use an older one.

nick3131 · 01-24-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I unlike many others can take on a fairly large share of free content on the net. I know when I refurbished my content site one night after being fed up with customer demands I figured I would just give my content away with no strings attached instead of selling it. I figured I could make up my money in referrals and advertising which I more than did. Though at that time most sponsors and there was not a lot did not have free content and if they did even the big boys (BA aside) had maybe 2-4 fifteen picture sets for webmasters to share. As you could imagine nobody would list these galleries or free sites people submitted since it was the same old content they had seen a few hundred times. So naturally affiliates had to actually purchase content to promote sites and there was a good chance that any particular model you purchased would never be in the site anyways. So in a way I helped open up Pandora's box. Yet if it was not me it would of been others and others very soon.

Since besides BA other sites were starting to really go exclusive and they realized that purchased material just could not be used to well and then others would buy any sets you would buy just so that they could at very least have the content you were hawking.

Promotional items aside though we had honest TGP's, Top lists, Free Sites, and then of course Circle Jerks. Rarely if ever was a TGP also a CJ. Even back then though people would proclaim TGP traffic was garbage traffic and freeloaders as they converted at like 1:1000 or worse while a free site would often convert at 1:50 to 1:100. Then CJ's were primarily used to abuse PPC sponsors. Honest to gawd you would have to make about thirty clicks to even find a damn picture of a naked chick, usually you would give up and click a banner or accidentally click the wrong text link and end up at a paysite.

Very rarely though did people ogle over the number of daily visitors. Sure there was some rivalries between assorted large TGP and Link List sites but it was nothing more really than a board ego boost. All the affiliates cared about was getting listed, paying for the content they had purchased and often paying for our outlandos bandwidth charges or if you were new making enough off of your free hosted sites without loosing most of your traffic to your host.

As others have also stated the barrier of entry into this business was to low and growing even lower. Early on you were lucky to get under 8.00 a gig, 70.00 domain names, and 1-3 bucks each per picture. So one gallery could be 45.00 plus the domain and bandwidth in the red from the second you put it up. Yet every Christmas we would see a new flock of webmasters who got their x-mass PC and was ready to become a porn mogul.

We all have plenty of mistakes as an industry yet our largest is the amount of material we give out and host for free, and of course out of program owners greed who want as many affiliates as they can get and keep recruiting anyone who will click some links. Since the only barrier now is a couple hundred dollar PC or even less if you use an older one.

Thank you ASM, very interesting post, great read

Voodoo · 01-24-2008, 10:24 PM

There is no money in Free Porn.

After Shock Media · 01-24-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Voodoo

There is no money in Free Porn.

In my case back then there was a shit load of money in free porn, however it was short sighted.

Think for a second I made roughly 10 times more giving it away than I ever did selling it.

pbmax · 01-25-2008, 09:11 PM

Im a member of a pay site and have been for years. And as an adult webmaster, have access to TONS of free porn. Ask yourself why then, would I join a pay site?
Also, why are some pay sites so extremly succesfull, and others convert shitty?
My opinion, as webmasters, or any buisness operator, our success lies in
developing a way to make customers feel welcome, gain our trust, percieve they are getting a bargain, and return over and over again. If other folks cant cut it, tough shit. (and I aint sayin I make a decent living at this either)
But thats the nature of buisness. As with all cycles, when enough folks fold up shop, they'll be plenty of customers for those that were able to hang.

01-24-2008, 09:31 PM	#52
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After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	I unlike many others can take on a fairly large share of free content on the net. I know when I refurbished my content site one night after being fed up with customer demands I figured I would just give my content away with no strings attached instead of selling it. I figured I could make up my money in referrals and advertising which I more than did. Though at that time most sponsors and there was not a lot did not have free content and if they did even the big boys (BA aside) had maybe 2-4 fifteen picture sets for webmasters to share. As you could imagine nobody would list these galleries or free sites people submitted since it was the same old content they had seen a few hundred times. So naturally affiliates had to actually purchase content to promote sites and there was a good chance that any particular model you purchased would never be in the site anyways. So in a way I helped open up Pandora's box. Yet if it was not me it would of been others and others very soon. Since besides BA other sites were starting to really go exclusive and they realized that purchased material just could not be used to well and then others would buy any sets you would buy just so that they could at very least have the content you were hawking. Promotional items aside though we had honest TGP's, Top lists, Free Sites, and then of course Circle Jerks. Rarely if ever was a TGP also a CJ. Even back then though people would proclaim TGP traffic was garbage traffic and freeloaders as they converted at like 1:1000 or worse while a free site would often convert at 1:50 to 1:100. Then CJ's were primarily used to abuse PPC sponsors. Honest to gawd you would have to make about thirty clicks to even find a damn picture of a naked chick, usually you would give up and click a banner or accidentally click the wrong text link and end up at a paysite. Very rarely though did people ogle over the number of daily visitors. Sure there was some rivalries between assorted large TGP and Link List sites but it was nothing more really than a board ego boost. All the affiliates cared about was getting listed, paying for the content they had purchased and often paying for our outlandos bandwidth charges or if you were new making enough off of your free hosted sites without loosing most of your traffic to your host. As others have also stated the barrier of entry into this business was to low and growing even lower. Early on you were lucky to get under 8.00 a gig, 70.00 domain names, and 1-3 bucks each per picture. So one gallery could be 45.00 plus the domain and bandwidth in the red from the second you put it up. Yet every Christmas we would see a new flock of webmasters who got their x-mass PC and was ready to become a porn mogul. We all have plenty of mistakes as an industry yet our largest is the amount of material we give out and host for free, and of course out of program owners greed who want as many affiliates as they can get and keep recruiting anyone who will click some links. Since the only barrier now is a couple hundred dollar PC or even less if you use an older one. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

01-24-2008, 10:24 PM	#58
Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,592	There is no money in Free Porn. __________________ "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

01-24-2008, 09:42 PM	#54
cj_purve Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,065	every post in this thread assumes that those giving out mass amounts of free porn are doing so to sell memberships to porn sites. someone, many many years ago, figured out that free porn brings traffic and people other than porn companies buy traffic, especially in those volumes. Its funny how angry everyone gets about free porn, when what they're really angry about is that someone is eating into their overinflated profit margins and taking a piece of their pie!

01-25-2008, 09:11 PM	#60
pbmax Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2	Im a member of a pay site and have been for years. And as an adult webmaster, have access to TONS of free porn. Ask yourself why then, would I join a pay site? Also, why are some pay sites so extremly succesfull, and others convert shitty? My opinion, as webmasters, or any buisness operator, our success lies in developing a way to make customers feel welcome, gain our trust, percieve they are getting a bargain, and return over and over again. If other folks cant cut it, tough shit. (and I aint sayin I make a decent living at this either) But thats the nature of buisness. As with all cycles, when enough folks fold up shop, they'll be plenty of customers for those that were able to hang.