Was there the same uproar about TGPs when they came out? Like Zango and Tubes

[nick3131]

Zango is so 2007 noone talks about it anymore

The tubes are the hot topic these days.

I was sitting here thinking.... I wonder when TGPs came out did the same outlash occur.

Zango is still here.... TGPs are definitely still here....

Just food for thought. Not taking sides or anything.

[SmokeyTheBear]

3 completely different things.

tgp's offered alot of licensed paid content for surfers to view for free

many of the controversial tube sites offer unlicensed unpaid content for users to view for free

zango is a whole different pony not related to either

[nick3131]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

3 completely different things.

tgp's offered alot of licensed paid content for surfers to view for free

many of the controversial tube sites offer unlicensed unpaid content for users to view for free

zango is a whole different pony not related to either

Yea but the result is the same... declining conversions.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by nick3131

Yea but the result is the same... declining conversions.

for "some"....

[sortie]

Originally Posted by nick3131

Zango is so 2007 noone talks about it anymore

The tubes are the hot topic these days.

I was sitting here thinking.... I wonder when TGPs came out did the same outlash occur.

Zango is still here.... TGPs are definitely still here....

Just food for thought. Not taking sides or anything.

Yes, it was the same uproar, only louder and longer.
The uproar sparked the "TGP2" revolution where only galleries with 8 or less
pics could be submitted. TGP2 died and TGP is still here.

And yes, TGPs did post stolen content, because the submitter was the one who stole the content and submitted the gallery.

Regardless of the differences, the arguments were the same. In 2 years, there will be something else that will be signaling the end.

[mrthumbs]

Originally Posted by shermsshack

Regardless of the differences, the arguments were the same. In 2 years, there will be something else that will be signaling the end.

Except for free hookers theres not much beyond hours of free streaming video
for just about every niche....

[L-Pink]

Good healthy competition vs thieves and sleezballs ... big difference.

[nick3131]

interesting results so far, thank you for your input everyone

Originally Posted by mrthumbs

Except for free hookers theres not much beyond hours of free streaming video
for just about every niche....

Those are the rogue tube assholes... There are always legit ones however that will take the genre and adapt it to fill a commercial need.

It was the same with TGP and MGP. It started with people giving away entire content sets and full zips of movie content. There were always sleazeballs doing that, but the sales never declined. The key is to figure out HOW to monetize the traffic in a 100% legit manner.

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by shermsshack

Those are the rogue tube assholes... There are always legit ones however that will take the genre and adapt it to fill a commercial need.

It was the same with TGP and MGP. It started with people giving away entire content sets and full zips of movie content. There were always sleazeballs doing that, but the sales never declined. The key is to figure out HOW to monetize the traffic in a 100% legit manner.

There will always be someone willing to abuse the system....

[Paul Markham]

The uproar was a lot less. There were fewer people, many saw TGPs as an opportunity, few had years of work invested in the previous methods and were more adaptable to change.

But still people predicted it was the end of porn on the net.

[After Shock Media]

first you need to clarify and understand a few things.

TGP's at first were evil vile sites that sucked money from you without your consent. Long ago we used to build free sites and the standard format was a warning page, a main page, two gallery pages, and pictures on html pages. Of course everything was plastered with ads and often blind links.
Then along came some TGP's who just listed your gallery pages by passing your warning and your main pages without your consent. This often hurt as bandwidth was fucking expensive and many tgp surfers were leaches or at least we thought they were. Mind you webmasters not only paid for the bandwidth but they also had to buy the content.
People began to figure out how to make money off of the TGP sites and then the TGP sites began to take submissions as well but they wanted their own rules as webmasters had flipped the script on many TGP sites and were setting their pages up with dialers and the like when TGP's were just hotlinking your gallery pages. Eventually people started to leave the free sites in general and began to submit 1 gallery page to TGP sites and follow their rules which evolved to no more pics on HTML pages and limited ads.

Zango on the other hand falls in line with what was back in the day toolbars and crap that swaped your affiliate codes or basically stole your traffic. Theft is theft and this sucked hard however most did so via trickery though swaping out your free counter script with new code or some shit. You did not see straight out promotion of many toolbars for awhile like you do with Zango. Not to mention mainstream did not promote evil toolbars so much and the ones that they did install rarely fucked with adult. Though there was some programs that had toolbar install affiliate programs.

Tubes on the other hand are again a tool that could be used for nice promotion for everyone or straight out evil in the quest for traffic numbers to grow ones e-penis. If the users kept it like the MGP format nobody would have even raised an eyebrow. However they decided for the most part to use a small loophole in the copyright law to allow themselves the ability to rip off other peoples content and profit off of it until caught. Then they could just say sorry, remove it for the time being until someone else stole it again and they again get caught. The main problem here is not the site itself, it is the content theft that is going on.
Sure people would not like it if someone opened up a legit tube site, purchased 1000 DVD titles and just gave away the scenes but then again it would be perfectly legit. People would complain about the size of the scenes and such given away for free or how easy it would be for kids to watch them etc. Yet the theft issue would not come up and again it would of been accepted.

[the Shemp]

i dont ever recall hotlinking or stealing anyones content, but ive only had a TGP since 1998...

Originally Posted by the Shemp

i dont ever recall hotlinking or stealing anyones content, but ive only had a TGP since 1998...

You're one of the great ones!

I remember quite a few "TGP's" back in the days offering up entire members areas. Remember the ridiculous 300 pic galleries that people were putting together?

There are always bad apples in every bunch, unfortunately.

[After Shock Media]

Three words.

Bianca's smut shack.

[Kimo]

why dont content owners send DCMA's to tube sites or atleast do something to combat it besides complain?

[the Shemp]

Originally Posted by shermsshack

You're one of the great ones!

I remember quite a few "TGP's" back in the days offering up entire members areas. Remember the ridiculous 300 pic galleries that people were putting together?

There are always bad apples in every bunch, unfortunately.

i remember that more with the sites that were linking to indexes and not galleries so much....but you are right...there was stolen content floating around....in the very early days...

[TreasureBucks]

There was a nice handful of tgp sites out before ALOT of paysites.