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Snake Doctor · 01-19-2008, 01:01 PM

50 GTS haters

Ever notice how the hate threads like this are always started on the weekends.

The weekend warriors are too busy with their shitty little dayjobs during the week to do this then, so they wait until the weekend when they get to play webmaster to start shit.

Get a life Franck, seriously.

geirlur · 01-19-2008, 01:02 PM

Nice thread!
I haven't been using GTS lately because of the new payment system and that they never authorize my requests to add them on icq so I can figure out a way to give them my cc info. But I've used them in the past, and there was many sites I didn't make my money back with. I'm not going to namedrop them since it was a while ago.
I wish everybody could do like pichunter and tommys bookmarks and let us buy a lifetime pass but greed would put a stop to that I guess..

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

50 GTS haters

Ever notice how the hate threads like this are always started on the weekends.

The weekend warriors are too busy with their shitty little dayjobs during the week to do this then, so they wait until the weekend when they get to play webmaster to start shit.

Get a life Franck, seriously.

Yeah good one idiot. I only post here in the weekends because of my dayjob

Fluid · 01-19-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

I got them directly from that page 2 mins before i made this post.

I see, since they hadn't updated in hours, the numbers shouldn't have doubled between time then. So again, since the numbers you quoted vary wildly from the numbers sex tracker is reporting (and since two of those sites don't even appear on the page) where are you getting these numbers?

Slap Dot · 01-19-2008, 01:23 PM

In all honesty, they could have been their pre-tube site stats.

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 01:24 PM

edit....

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluid

I see, since they hadn't updated in hours, the numbers shouldn't have doubled between time then. So again, since the numbers you quoted vary wildly from the numbers sex tracker is reporting (and since two of those sites don't even appear on the page) where are you getting these numbers?

Do you have troubles reading?

I got them directly from that page 2 mins before i made this post.

Don't ask me why they suddenly changed, i have no fucking clue and i'd like to know it as well.

If you think that i would lie and make up shit just to start this thread you're very wrong.

And maybe 2 of them don't appear there because they are suddenly made private.

Fluid · 01-19-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by geirlur

Nice thread!
I haven't been using GTS lately because of the new payment system and that they never authorize my requests to add them on icq so I can figure out a way to give them my cc info. But I've used them in the past, and there was many sites I didn't make my money back with. I'm not going to namedrop them since it was a while ago.
I wish everybody could do like pichunter and tommys bookmarks and let us buy a lifetime pass but greed would put a stop to that I guess..

CC information is handled through billing
[email protected] would be more than happy to help you with that.

Fluid · 01-19-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Do you have troubles reading?

I got them directly from that page 2 mins before i made this post.

Don't ask me why they suddenly changed, i have no fucking clue and i'd like to know it as well.

If you think that i would lie and make up shit just to start this thread you're very wrong.

And maybe 2 of them don't appear there because they are suddenly made private.

No troubles reading here frank, Madthumbs wasn't on that page yesterday when I checked it either, and since that page updated at 1700 and 1900 GMT nothing changed between the start of the thread.

Iron Fist · 01-19-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

Why would GTS inflate numbers so high?
http://gallerytrafficservice.com/sit...%20Of%20Thumbs
http://www.libraryofthumbs.com/
"110,000 visitors per day"

I don't think so.
The site has approx. 40,000 visitors per day.

That's kinda my take on it as well. I've bought a submit pass there before. It's deceptive advertising, because 1. Your gallery needs to be approved first. 2. They don't tell you where your gallery will end up when it is approved (go look for it and you'll be surprised) 3. Your gallery will mostly likely end up in a low traffic area when it finally shows up and 4. If they get a lot of approved galleries/partner accounts, your pushed off the main page after 4-6 hours anyways and the next approval process doesn't begin until the next day.

I haven't bought one since, of course - there are better ways to generate revenue.

theking · 01-19-2008, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Do you have troubles reading?

I got them directly from that page 2 mins before i made this post.

Don't ask me why they suddenly changed, i have no fucking clue and i'd like to know it as well.

If you think that i would lie and make up shit just to start this thread you're very wrong.

And maybe 2 of them don't appear there because they are suddenly made private.

You frequently lie...so one can expect that you are lying now...now can't one?

cykoe6 · 01-19-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hateman

ATX stats suck.

They count evey page reload as a "hit".

You can not figure out Unique visitors from ATX stats.

Yea my ATX stats show about 2x the actual traffic.

geirlur · 01-19-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluid

CC information is handled through billing
[email protected] would be more than happy to help you with that.

Is there a way to do this without a fax machine?
I've mailed in the past and gotten no answer. I don't remember which adress I mailed.
my icq is 41003014

Fluid · 01-19-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by geirlur

Is there a way to do this without a fax machine?
I've mailed in the past and gotten no answer. I don't remember which adress I mailed.
my icq is 41003014

Sorry you didn't get an answer, I know a lot of us in the company have to use spam filters. Perhaps it wasn't received due to this.
As far as doing it without a fax machine, yes. You can fill it out, scan it and email or ICQ transfer it to billing and that will work just as well.
I'm not on my work machine right now, but if you contact me on monday (email or icq in my sig) I can make sure you get set up!

GTS Mark · 01-19-2008, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geirlur

Nice thread!
I haven't been using GTS lately because of the new payment system and that they never authorize my requests to add them on icq so I can figure out a way to give them my cc info. But I've used them in the past, and there was many sites I didn't make my money back with. I'm not going to namedrop them since it was a while ago.
I wish everybody could do like pichunter and tommys bookmarks and let us buy a lifetime pass but greed would put a stop to that I guess..

Hi Geirlur, sorry to hear you didn't get a response. I have spamarrest on my e-mail and I frequently get icq spams (i don't know if you get those german requests but i get 1-2 daily). I don't recall ever getting a message from you but sorry regardless. We do accept epassporte again, I don't know if that is any help to you?

DH

geirlur · 01-19-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

We do accept epassporte again, I don't know if that is any help to you?

DH

Really?
I'll hit you up when sober ;)

xxxRumor · 01-19-2008, 03:26 PM

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Many of those sites skim those gallery spots.

Skimming paid gallery spots is theft. Could you post an example please, i have to see it to believe it.

DatingGold · 01-19-2008, 03:28 PM

You think GTS is doing something different than others? of course the good spots are harder to get.

Pornopat · 01-19-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

And you ask me what did he try to sell. That doesnt really matter because the clicks to the gallery itself were just not enough to make any profit. Unless the site pays 100 pps or rebills for 6 months or converts 1:30 or so.

Based on that i think it was near impossible to make profit during that time. It might have changed now.

Now that is where your reasoning goes wrong. Some niches work better with certain mgp's. To give a very clear example : A thumb of a teenie will get you very little clicks at a site like mature-post.
Every site has their fanbase of bookmarkers and google traffic (this is the quality traffic you should be after). The bookmarkers have their preferences en the google traffic is looking for something specific. You will see this back in sales AND the amount of traffic that goes to a gallery.

I do both by the way. Paid spots and submitpasses. I make a nice profit on both and I know more people that do. These people know what they do.

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornopat

Now that is where your reasoning goes wrong. Some niches work better with certain mgp's. To give a very clear example : A thumb of a teenie will get you very little clicks at a site like mature-post.
Every site has their fanbase of bookmarkers and google traffic (this is the quality traffic you should be after). The bookmarkers have their preferences en the google traffic is looking for something specific. You will see this back in sales AND the amount of traffic that goes to a gallery.

I do both by the way. Paid spots and submitpasses. I make a nice profit on both and I know more people that do. These people know what they do.

http://www.video-post.com/main.html

These thumbs you mean?

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxRumor

Skimming paid gallery spots is theft. Could you post an example please, i have to see it to believe it.

http://www.madthumbs.com/

I don't think its theft if its clearly mentioned before you buy it.

SomeCreep · 01-19-2008, 05:49 PM

tony286 · 01-19-2008, 06:12 PM

submit passes have done ok for us.

Jeka · 01-19-2008, 06:19 PM

Certain people definitely make their money back on GTS but many obviously do not. I do not like the whole GTS system at all. I would prefer buying my spots directly from the site owners and cutting out the middle man but that won't happen. Thus I do not care if they rip off people, because it is not my money they take. I never bought something from GTS and never will. Maybe I could make some nice ROI but I am just not interested in supporting a system (paid submit passes) that I do not like at all. Of course nobody cares about my opinion and people from GTS will tell me to STFU if I do not do business with them and have nothing to do with them at all ;)

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Otter · 01-19-2008, 07:46 PM

I always got good results from gts services

JFK · 01-19-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

'they' as in gts or 'they' as in the site owners? I get the impression the burden here is on the site owners to update the numbers, not gts.
WG

WG , STOP it

Common sense interferes in a good drama

halfpint · 01-19-2008, 08:29 PM

Frank I use sextracker and it always shows me a lower uv per day compared to extreme tracker and hitstats for some reason It might be because they count unique hits in a differernt time frame to the other trackers They only count users IPs who have never visited the site before or do not return to the site within 24 hours.

Daruma · 01-19-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Don't even start with me, you don't even work in this industry anymore do you? Last time I heard you ran off for "mainstream" because it was so much more profitable. Yeah right... You just hang out here for the "sport" right? Sleazydream wannabe motherfucker. Sleazy has 100x more class then your un-origional ass.

Should I post screenshots of our ICQ conversation where you tried to extort P2PADS of our popup technology. Maybe you forgot about that, I didn't...

Keep going fucktard, I have your number.

DH

you have his number???? one of my companies tried your fucking traffic for a while and guess what - no results - didn't even cover 1/2 of what was paid for.... anyways have fun with the newbies - thats your bread and butter

Rhesus · 01-19-2008, 08:53 PM

- GTS are crooks;
- Franck is one of the few persons in this thread with a sense of sense;
- WG, stop asskissing, you're better than that. No, the burden is on GTS, as they are selling the spots.

zigx · 01-19-2008, 08:58 PM

drama is a flyin

will76 · 01-19-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Daruma

you have his number???? one of my companies tried your fucking traffic for a while and guess what - no results - didn't even cover 1/2 of what was paid for.... anyways have fun with the newbies - thats your bread and butter

Yeah over inflated ego DH seems to think he buys and sells people around here. He has " Franks number" and he made a comment a while back he would make sure no one did business with me. DH has the pull of an ant but the an ego the size of an elephant. Not 1 person has ever not done business with me because of that fucking moron. But he probably thinks he owns me too

will76 · 01-19-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhesus

- WG, stop asskissing, you're better than that. .

lol that is all WG does. He has never said one thing bad about anyone, including AFF. Someone could probably rip the guy off and he would make a post defending them or saying how they ripped him off in a nice way.

wizzart · 01-19-2008, 09:19 PM

All buyed TGP traffic sucks!

Buying PA is something else but buying TGP traffic is bad job!

QuaWee · 01-19-2008, 09:37 PM

I don't like Dirty F but he's right.

Thurbs · 01-19-2008, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

lol that is all WG does. He has never said one thing bad about anyone, including AFF. Someone could probably rip the guy off and he would make a post defending them or saying how they ripped him off in a nice way.

i wonder if there is a direct correlation to that and the amount of money he makes per annum.

spanky part 2 · 01-19-2008, 09:55 PM

I personally think gts is brilliant. They got together a bunch of sites and sell traffic to you fools, and are making bank off of traffic they can't convert themselves.

Think about it, if the traffic was really amazing like they say couldn't they make more money off of it themselves.

Brilliant I tell you. They turned something that was FREE into a paid enterprise. Love the paid gallery spot idea. Oversell the shit out of them and say you may get a spot every few days.

Seriously, I wish I would have thought of it myself.

There are suckers born every minute, and most of them post on GFY

will76 · 01-19-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Thurbs - NichedSites

i wonder if there is a direct correlation to that and the amount of money he makes per annum.

i would say no since I likely make more than him and I tell people exactly what i think about them, which 95% of the time is on target and what they deserve, instead of kissing ass and not wanting to upset anyone.

will76 · 01-19-2008, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

I personally think gts is brilliant. They got together a bunch of sites and sell traffic to you fools, and are making bank off of traffic they can't convert themselves.

Think about it, if the traffic was really amazing like they say couldn't they make more money off of it themselves.

Brilliant I tell you. They turned something that was FREE into a paid enterprise. Love the paid gallery spot idea. Oversell the shit out of them and say you may get a spot every few days.

Seriously, I wish I would have thought of it myself.

There are suckers born every minute, and most of them post on GFY

jesus, don't inflate DH's ego any more than it is or he might not be able to drive down the highway without causing traffic jams.

Don't give GTS too much credit, you make it sound like they were the first to create the " traffic broker " idea and impliment it online. I doubt they were the first to think this up, how long has cybercat been around or choker ?

spanky part 2 · 01-19-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

jesus, don't inflate DH's ego any more than it is or he might not be able to drive down the highway without causing traffic jams.

Don't give GTS too much credit, you make it sound like they were the first to create the " traffic broker " idea and impliment it online. I doubt they were the first to think this up, how long has cybercat been around or choker ?

Cybercat actually had some of the largest sites on the net, and choker is a whole different ball game. GTS took shit sites and had fools lined up to buy the shit traffic.

mint · 01-19-2008, 10:10 PM

I have a few PA's bought at GTS, traffic is low - average.

Most of my gals are not listed and sometimes it just point to another trade.

It seems GTS service is a wall for site owners who love doing the above and not having to explain it to the submitters

Thurbs · 01-19-2008, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

i would say no since I likely make more than him and I tell people exactly what i think about them, which 95% of the time is on target and what they deserve, instead of kissing ass and not wanting to upset anyone.

im guessing your making some good money with referralmatrix actually, i was discussing the scalability of it with an SEM two days ago.

my point however is this, positive thoughts net positive results .. perhaps you do make more than charles, not what I was saying, but for some people getting drudged down in the drama can really affect their productivity.

but thats just my thoughts

mint · 01-19-2008, 10:16 PM

Will

which traffic provider do you think is worth a try nowadays?

wizzart · 01-19-2008, 11:51 PM

Trafficholder is worst taffic source I ever try!

the Shemp · 01-20-2008, 02:59 AM

Can we buy Frank off with a free submit account ;)

Pornopat · 01-20-2008, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F

http://www.video-post.com/main.html

These thumbs you mean?

No these ones:

http://www.video-post.com/thumbview/

Are you sure you ever visited video-post?

Dirty F · 01-20-2008, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornopat

No these ones:

http://www.video-post.com/thumbview/

Are you sure you ever visited video-post?

Come on, don't be a fool. They sell for many sites without thumb previews. I totally understand your thumb thing, i've been here for a while remember but that has nothing to do with what i'm saying here. Many sites can not send enough traffic to your galleries period. Sites with text links and EVEN sites with thumb links believe it or not.

Dirty F · 01-20-2008, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by howard

Hey GTS ---can I please be you or speak for you---please---please--- please

This really looks like fun. Congratulations on all the business you will get out of this...

Come on guys dont be pussies.....This can be a really funny....

Make sure you get your beers at the show next time you see your best friend Mark. If you can remove his cock from your mouth that is.

Disgusting seeing people like you who fucking know i'm right and fucking know what scum Mark is but it's for some reason more important to have your cock in his ass. There's a bunch of those cockroaches in this thread and you are one of them.

And yeah, he's getting SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much new business from this thread because everyone who reads all the fine comments about his product can't wait to send him his money. Dumb fucking asskissing moron. Be real proud of yourself. True character.

Dirty F · 01-20-2008, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thurbs - NichedSites

im guessing your making some good money with referralmatrix actually, i was discussing the scalability of it with an SEM two days ago.

my point however is this, positive thoughts net positive results .. perhaps you do make more than charles, not what I was saying, but for some people getting drudged down in the drama can really affect their productivity.

but thats just my thoughts

I like Wiredguy but threads like this show he has no backbone whatsoever. Mark is on his "can't do wrong" list. And it's digusting. Mark can murder a random person tomorrow for fun and Charles will defend him blindly and say something like "well, we don't know the whole story, maybe that guy deserved it because he looked funny at Mark" while he knows Mark is wrong in every way possible.

Defending your friends is a good thing but admitting they are wrong when they actually are wrong is even better.

Pornopat · 01-20-2008, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Come on, don't be a fool. They sell for many sites without thumb previews. I totally understand your thumb thing, i've been here for a while remember but that has nothing to do with what i'm saying here. Many sites can not send enough traffic to your galleries period. Sites an with text links and EVEN sites with thumb links believe it or not.

Its the same effect with text links! Some niches sell better on some mgps...and get more clicks as well.

You may have been there for a while but you have been busy trolling people instead of analysing sales. Thats why you are still down there and I can a dive in my swimmingpool in Curacou right now. Have fun! *splash*

Dirty F · 01-20-2008, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

Its the same effect with text links! Some niches sell better on some mgps...and get more clicks as well.

You may have been there for a while but you have been busy trolling people instead of analysing sales. Thats why you are still down there and I can a dive in my swimmingpool in Curacou right now. Have fun! *splash*

Wow, you're so cool man with your swimming pool. I wish i could be more like you. Ive i paid more attention to those text links i could be pimp like you now. Stupid me.

01-19-2008, 01:01 PM	#51
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	50 GTS haters Ever notice how the hate threads like this are always started on the weekends. The weekend warriors are too busy with their shitty little dayjobs during the week to do this then, so they wait until the weekend when they get to play webmaster to start shit. Get a life Franck, seriously. __________________ sig too big Last edited by Snake Doctor; 01-19-2008 at 01:02 PM..

01-19-2008, 01:02 PM	#52
geirlur Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Æøå Posts: 2,021	Nice thread! I haven't been using GTS lately because of the new payment system and that they never authorize my requests to add them on icq so I can figure out a way to give them my cc info. But I've used them in the past, and there was many sites I didn't make my money back with. I'm not going to namedrop them since it was a while ago. I wish everybody could do like pichunter and tommys bookmarks and let us buy a lifetime pass but greed would put a stop to that I guess.. __________________ BitUnix - My favorite place to trade crypto!

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01-19-2008, 06:12 PM	#73
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01-19-2008, 06:19 PM	#74
Jeka Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 123	Certain people definitely make their money back on GTS but many obviously do not. I do not like the whole GTS system at all. I would prefer buying my spots directly from the site owners and cutting out the middle man but that won't happen. Thus I do not care if they rip off people, because it is not my money they take. I never bought something from GTS and never will. Maybe I could make some nice ROI but I am just not interested in supporting a system (paid submit passes) that I do not like at all. Of course nobody cares about my opinion and people from GTS will tell me to STFU if I do not do business with them and have nothing to do with them at all ;) .02 __________________ Om Nom Nom Nom

01-19-2008, 07:46 PM	#75
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01-19-2008, 08:29 PM	#77
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01-19-2008, 08:53 PM	#79
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01-19-2008, 09:19 PM	#83
wizzart scriptmaster Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Serbia Posts: 5,237	All buyed TGP traffic sucks! Buying PA is something else but buying TGP traffic is bad job!

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01-19-2008, 09:55 PM	#86
spanky part 2 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,981	I personally think gts is brilliant. They got together a bunch of sites and sell traffic to you fools, and are making bank off of traffic they can't convert themselves. Think about it, if the traffic was really amazing like they say couldn't they make more money off of it themselves. Brilliant I tell you. They turned something that was FREE into a paid enterprise. Love the paid gallery spot idea. Oversell the shit out of them and say you may get a spot every few days. Seriously, I wish I would have thought of it myself. There are suckers born every minute, and most of them post on GFY

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mint Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 95	I have a few PA's bought at GTS, traffic is low - average. Most of my gals are not listed and sometimes it just point to another trade. It seems GTS service is a wall for site owners who love doing the above and not having to explain it to the submitters __________________ Offshore Staff Leasing \| Project Outsourcing Rent a worker in the Philippines

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01-20-2008, 02:59 AM	#94
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