Matt 26z

The most untouchable pirates in the world are launching this soon...

http://www.thevideobay.com/

Apparently that is a high priority project for them right now. Uncensored, and your DMCA letters will probably go in the trash (before they are scanned and posted online of course).



But you know what? I don't care. Only the wannabes lose sleep over this garbage. Even the best tube sites do not stack up against what a decent members area can offer, and they never will! So the way I figure it, any lackluster paysite the tubes put out of business has done the industry a favor. For the affiliates claiming lost sales, "too much free porn" has been the #1 cop out for years and years.

Dirty F

You summed the answer to about 1200 posts from the last 4 months.

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Phoenix

i like this post...i was saying this to someone just last night

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Vick!

I know what you mean ..

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JamesK

More pressure? The porn industry isn't shit compared to the power of the mainstream business. I don't think this will affect the swedish government at all.

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Webcam Guru

Untill they launch thefreelivecambay.com I'm ok.

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Kevin Marx

I wouldn't agree 100%, but there is validity to the opposing side of piracy.

To reference it in another way....Even bad press is still press and gets your name out there.

Surfers that don't want to pay will almost never pay and will go to any means to find it free. At some point, they may form a "habit" of viewing specific material and want to find it high-quality, for real, rather than for free. Occasional cases, but it still happens.

People that are willing to pay don't necessarily want the free stuff all the time, but it's also a great way to view something and decide if you like what you see (more than a 10 second or 30 second clip would ever provide to you). We have been members (paying) of Playboy for 2-1/2 years straight now, just cancelled Met-Art after 2 years straight, have run on FTV for long periods a few times, Penthouse, KenMarcus, and a few others. I realize I can get this stuff in other locations, but for $20-30/month, it's easier to pay for it, have the higher quality, and know when and where I can get it, rather than searching to find something.

I would rather full site rips don't occur, and I don't like seeing full length vids displayed without permission, or more specifically without copyright (re-cropping of the vid)... but full length, if done the right way can be a great marketing tool.

my

Pnk XXX

who cares

if they can bank off it, the more power to them.

they adapt, you adapt. pretty simple biz logic. if you dont have the muscle to squeeze them out of biz, you have to adapt.

Eman - PG

This will never fly. Piratebay, the torrent tracker, doesn't host content and they argue that in their country providing the tracker and search is not copyright infringement.

Once they start hosting pirated content, even if they host with ISPs in Russia, if they dont respond to take down notices, carriers in countries where copyright infrigement is illegal will be forced to stop peering with those ISPs.

Gambrinus

Holy shit, someone on GFY with a fucking clue.

Matt 26z

It seems like the people with a clue on GFY are always the ones who speak in fantasy language.

Eman - PG

carriers = companies that provide bandwidth (ie Level3, AT&T)
peering = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peering

Matt 26z

Of the THOUSANDS of anti-tube posts, how many times can you remember reading about a realistic solution put forth by someone?

::: crickets :::

The only thing I ever recall is a bunch of little boys crying in mama's tit.

So here is my solution proposal...

Content owners simply digitally sign all of their members area and affiliate promo content. Something like "© Acme Adult." The adult tube sites could then automatically check for the copyright and deny it before it even got posted. This could be done through either white listing or black listing.

As long as the surfer didn't fuck around with the video this would work. At the very least it would stop the average surfer from uploading to tube sites that checked for it, and that's probably enough to curtail a very high percentage of tube infringements.

Matt 26z

I know the meaning. I'm just saying it's a fantasy that ISP customers will be totally denied access to websites. They don't even cut off terrorist websites. You think they are going to unplug a porn infringement site? Wake the fuck up.

the real magoo

I don´t pay for anything anymore.
It is the way of the future.

Juicy D. Links

Hell Yeeah FREEEEEEEEEEEEE PORNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Penny24Seven

it still makes people mad when they have exclusive content with exclusive girls and paid thousands of dollars to make it and it is on those sites. That is what pisses me off. If I had sites that had the same content as all the others It would not bother me as much if at all.

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Gambrinus

Who said it was only going to be porn.

Kevin Marx

Dumbest reply on here... that's like saying you have to adapt to mafia tactics such as "protection." Illegal is illegal. I would never say adapting to thievery is the only and best option.

Hosting is the key right now, but seriously people have to be smart enough to recognize that referring such as the way The Pirate Bay operates is eventually going to be defined as a criminal action. It's toooooooooo easy to pirate things right now and an intelligent person would be smart to think that legislators will get a clue and fix the broken part of a system that makes a TON of money. You have to protect your cash cows after all.

Digital signing would stop it??? you think most of these tube sites care that they are carrying copyrighted content? They exist because of it. Cut off their supply of pirated/stolen content and they shrivel up and die. DCMA, DRM, digital signing all do nothing. They have no fear of prosecution because of the cost involved in a copyright case. it will happen eventually and someone will get handed a HUGE award... but until then they could care less if you don't want your stuff on there and they need it to function.

I have never understood why the US doesn't just shut down access to certain countries web locales.. or more specifically, certain web-sites hosted in those nations. Yes, a little tit-for-tat would occur, but hey.. we are a nation of laws and you would expect that our laws should get enforced at our own borders. I am perfectly happy to have the same treatment for my site... If the Chinese or Indian government don't like my site based on their laws.. great.. deny access to it to your citizens. 80% of my billing occurs within the United States and European Union. Everything else is gravy that I wouldn't mind trading away to fight off lost business that occurs due to piracy.

Instead of waiting years and years and years for lawsuits and bullshit to flow... why shouldn't it make sense that someone such as SONY could file their DCMA with a US International Internet Regulation and Oversight Board.... 2-3 days after filing, this board clearly sees that the actions occuring on The Pirate Bay as being infringement inducing actions and notifies TPB that access to their site will be suspended to US customers until the action is either rectified or resolved.

US based locations would require court actions as both parties would be US based.

Doesn't really seem like rocket science to me.

tony286

News flash if tube sites did that they would be big blank pages.

d-null

You actually think that tube sites content is from "users" uploading

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fuckingfuck

Hahahah clueless post of the new year.

Yes, megarotic people would meet content owners and say, look we fucked you so many times over and over, used your content to sell membership but now if you put copyright into your videos we'll remove them.

hahahahaha

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Violetta

agree, but they are closing in pretty fast!

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mike-al

breaking news.. Disney copies Time Warner..

Like Time Warner Disney testing waters on pay perl like movies.
Based on popular GFY business beliefs, everything should be free
and those find what they like then are willing to pay for it.. It is with this model Disney is now testing Pay Per Like... You download and watch
the entire movie for free.... If you like it... Please send a check or money order to Mickey Mouse PO BOX 666 WTF, FL 10094042 in the amount of $9.95 per adult and $6.95 per child per viewing

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Matt 26z

My idea was obviously for tube sites that actually want to do something. There is going to be an explosion of tube sites in 2008-09. It was just one idea.

Now lets hear your ideas.

Gambrinus

We build a time machine, go back to 1995 when your mom was pregnant with you, give her a good ol' fashioned talking to from Doc Marten so we wouldnt have to read this stupid fucking thread.

L-Pink

I think the massive amounts of "unregulated" porn coming into the US will become a crusade for some politician.

Will the fall-out be positive or negative ???

Rhesus

The content piracy babble is one thing, but some people keep forgetting that tube sites do actually have something that membership sites don't and will never have - true amateur content. It may be of poor quality, and the amounts may be limited, but this stuff appeals a lot more to many surfers than fake pornstars do.

fuckingfuck

I don't think anyone has anything against amateur porn on tube sites. The problem is these big tubes create most of their traffic by the help of illegal long videos and then try to behave like as if it's not the case.

You want to solution? Lawsuits and also suing a few of the heavy uploaders (regular users) so that people understand they can't have everything for free and sharing things can be dangerous for them.

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tony286

Let you give you a little FYI, Ive been shooting porn now for almost 8 yrs. If someone is going to video themselves having sex and want to put it online they will want to make money. Maybe .5 percent will do it just for kicks.

Rhesus

You're mistaken dude, blinded by occupation. Well, perhaps not mistaken, but .5% is enough to make some tubes go round.

Rhesus

Take youporn.com, for example. I'd like to see evidence of how they have generated most of their traffic and popularity by posting copyrighted material. I think it's often a byproduct.

tony286

Matt want to know how tubes could of been stopped. If people like AFF didnt let them put ads up next to stolen content. If they made no money they wouldnt exist.

slapass

Lets face it the folks embracing tubes and who keep saying adopt or die are the young guys who figured out they can upload someones content with their url and make a few bucks. But the rest of us are making real money on stuff we do ourselves and we do not want to lose 1000's a week to make 10 sales a week on this new tube stuff that is filled with stolen content.

Tubes are saying that they do not make money so why would anyone feel a great need to support their business model???

Matt 26z

LOL! That is your end all solution? Lawsuits?

I'm not saying it shouldn't be an option, but it's not a realistic long term solution in shutting these sites down without more popping back up. The lack of results from the RIAA and MPAA lawsuits should have told you that.

The people who run the shady sites and their brazen uploaders have shown to not be phased by the threat of a lawsuit.

The true solution will be one that uses technology to greatly hinder the uploads in the first place, one that makes tube sites legit or one that ignores the actions of shady tube sites while still making online adult profitable. I don't know what the answer is, but it will fall under one of those three.

To say that they can be strongarmed out of businss on our terms is something out of dreamland.

Dollarmansteve

You should know by now that people on GFY don't like ideas, they like to complain. There's no drama and sig views in ideas and solutions

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tony286

The goldman lawsuit may change things big time. Its with BT's but they are suing the advertisers. If that case wins, the game will change radically.
Show me a legal tube site thats big. I think without stolen content that can be given away for free their model doesnt work.

Matt 26z

You in another thread:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...2&postcount=14

"Nobody likes niglets, not even other niglets."


Real professional. Yeah, you really deserve to be listend to on here. Take a walk.

StarkReality

Any content, even amateur, is copyright. There is nothing like public domain. Most of the stuff on YouPorn is from amateur portals where people normally have to pay per video.

Each and every time a user uploads a video he didn't produce himself, it's a copyright violation. It's no a by-product, it's the business model and any different claim is a lame excuse.

I just hope that all the YouPorn scapers that are launching at the moment will teach them a lesson, bandwidth wise...they get their stolen content pulled live, but can't display their ads. Fair deal, they steal, others steal from them. Maybe the problem solves itself.

Kevin Marx

My biggest question is thus..... 2257

I can understand an affiliate saying.. hey.. I sell for XYZ program... they have the 2257 information. Look at my pages, it says so on each TGP, MGP or whatnot.. this is where the 2257 info is.

YouPorn, Megarotic, etc... running all this content.. has no 2257 info, anywhere. They don't have one single document and they don't have reference to the documentation of any piece of content they provide. Especially the amateur content. For such stuff, they are essentially the "original provider" rather than being a "secondary" as a typical affiliate would be defined. They have absolutely no proof whatsoever of whom their models are, proof of age, anything. DOJ should shut them all down for that alone.

Amateur content has to fall under the same guidelines as professional content. Have the documentation or at least have proof of who shot it so that the paper trail leads somewhere.

fuckingfuck

If there are a few example cases, your average webmaster wouldn't have the guys to open another tube site knowing that his ass may be sued or he might be put into prison. Now they all think they can start a new one and get away with it. Fear prevents so many things. That's why suing a few uploaders can also have a big impact.

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Matt 26z

From what we have seen the sponsors working with them are turning a blind eye, so it's definitely going to take more than content owner and affiliate complaining.

I can't see this going against sponsors in court either. Let's say Fenway Park or Wrigley Field were to be deemed unsafe, but somehow remained open and then fans got injured. Could the fans sue the sponsors who have purchased ad space around the park on the grounds that they contributed to keeping the place open? At first that sounds interesting, but does it go anywhere?

In any event, hypothetically speaking lets say suing advertisers was a way to cut off most site income. Now bandwidth becomes difficult to pay for if the site is large. What we have seen from the dark alleys of the internet over the past decade is that technology suddenly seems to develop in their favor that both brings their costs down and makes them harder to shut down.

With their backs against the wall, I can see tube sites implementing the same bit torrent technology that runs Joost and other video services. They found a way for surfers to pay for their bandwidth and it works. It's only a matter of time before it's used for evil.

L-Pink

There is a "user upload" loophole that currently applies. This is a huge loophole that allows the entire concept to even exist. For that matter dating sites as well.

Imagine if the playing field was level and "amateurs" had to have 2257 doc's, a place of business, etc. Actually that would be great!

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Rhesus

We're not all in the US, FYI.

Matt 26z

Do you have any idea at all how many piracy websites and surfer uploaders have been sued my the RIAA and MPAA? Dozens of high profile site cases and over 10,000 surfers.

It hasn't done shit for them.

StarkReality

True, but if daddy next door gets his ass sued for upload PORN, it's more of a social stigma. Getting caught sharing music, well, noone cares, but PORN...at least it's a bit different.

Matt 26z

But back to my original first post...

Tube sites do not phase me because due to their very nature they can not offer the same expirence as a good members area. And by good I mean by 2008 standards.

If you had the choice to surf Megarotic or your favorite paysite, which do you choose? And if you as an affiliate can't sell a members area to be more appealing than some tube site with lackluster quality video, then you need help.

BFT3K

Online porn has been in the crosshairs of governments and politicians since day one. The tube sites just shine a super bright light on the adult industry that no one will benefit from.

They steal our content, they offer free porn taking away from our sales, and they are so easy to use - just point and click - no any age verification on any level (content or surfer). A foolish formula that will ultimately kill off (or massively regulate) online porn.

Adapt or die? I laugh evertime some shortsighted asshole makes that statement. Yeah, adapt to no money from online porn, or die off trying to point out how dangerous the business model of free tube sites are.

Tube sites have no future, but what's worse is that they will help all of us have no future.

Only assholes sponsor tube sites. It is suicide to support tubes, and if you have any self-respect you will call out those who perpetuate this nonsense, and you will stop doing business with them.