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stickyfingerz · 01-18-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Eman - PG

This will never fly. Piratebay, the torrent tracker, doesn't host content and they argue that in their country providing the tracker and search is not copyright infringement.

Once they start hosting pirated content, even if they host with ISPs in Russia, if they dont respond to take down notices, carriers in countries where copyright infrigement is illegal will be forced to stop peering with those ISPs.

Gee wonder if they will have the videos hosted by the torrents

stickyfingerz · 01-18-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Let you give you a little FYI, Ive been shooting porn now for almost 8 yrs. If someone is going to video themselves having sex and want to put it online they will want to make money. Maybe .5 percent will do it just for kicks.

No I dont agree on that one. Most amateur porn is from swingers, and people who want to show off, but dont think they are hot enough to get paid for it. Or just flat out exhibitionists. They get off on it, and that is payment enough for many.

DaddyHalbucks · 01-18-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

But back to my original first post...

Tube sites do not phase me because due to their very nature they can not offer the same expirence as a good members area. And by good I mean by 2008 standards.

If you had the choice to surf Megarotic or your favorite paysite, which do you choose? And if you as an affiliate can't sell a members area to be more appealing than some tube site with lackluster quality video, then you need help.

Record companies made similar arguments before they lost their shirt.

DirtyProfits · 01-18-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Lets face it the folks embracing tubes and who keep saying adopt or die are the young guys who figured out they can upload someones content with their url and make a few bucks. But the rest of us are making real money on stuff we do ourselves and we do not want to lose 1000's a week to make 10 sales a week on this new tube stuff that is filled with stolen content.

Tubes are saying that they do not make money so why would anyone feel a great need to support their business model???

I 100% agree on this. Too bad the adult industry is free to enter for all. I cannot believe how ignorant some people are. I am sick of hearing bullshit like adapt or die. Lets all go back to picpost sites and we will be rich.

Sysgenix · 01-18-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin-SFBucks

I wouldn't agree 100%, but there is validity to the opposing side of piracy.

To reference it in another way....Even bad press is still press and gets your name out there.

Surfers that don't want to pay will almost never pay and will go to any means to find it free. At some point, they may form a "habit" of viewing specific material and want to find it high-quality, for real, rather than for free. Occasional cases, but it still happens.

People that are willing to pay don't necessarily want the free stuff all the time, but it's also a great way to view something and decide if you like what you see (more than a 10 second or 30 second clip would ever provide to you). We have been members (paying) of Playboy for 2-1/2 years straight now, just cancelled Met-Art after 2 years straight, have run on FTV for long periods a few times, Penthouse, KenMarcus, and a few others. I realize I can get this stuff in other locations, but for $20-30/month, it's easier to pay for it, have the higher quality, and know when and where I can get it, rather than searching to find something.

I would rather full site rips don't occur, and I don't like seeing full length vids displayed without permission, or more specifically without copyright (re-cropping of the vid)... but full length, if done the right way can be a great marketing tool.

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That is right on, the majority of the freebie loaders will be freebie loaders for a long time. And they will find free porn wether it be on usenet full movies, p2p such as limewire, and so on.

If you have a members section that offers what the guy can't get anywhere else. They will sign up.

DivaShane · 01-18-2008, 01:03 PM

I'm relatively new to the tube site debate so please don't flame me to bad if I'm wrong here but...
If it's affiliates uploading to tube sites isn't there a way that the sponsors could track traffic from tube sites? If so they could make it a rule that content can't be used on tube sites.
If it's sponsor programs themselves doing it then affiliates could boycott those sponsors.
Again... I'm not well versed in the tube debate but I've always hated the free porn situation.

StarkReality · 01-18-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyProfits

Too bad the adult industry is free to enter for all. I cannot believe how ignorant some people are. I am sick of hearing bullshit like adapt or die. Lets all go back to picpost sites and we will be rich.

Jackpot, couldn't agree more.

It's not like there weren't any cheaters and thieves in the good old days, but what did they do ? Hitbots for toplists, a few stolen passwords, blind links instead of authorized banners, a few crappy stolen zmaster pics for a gallery.

Today: Advertising with implied CP, russian incest fantasy sites popping up everywhere, ripping and republishing of whole members areas on rapidshare, some of the most visited internet sites full of stolen content (tubes) or links to stolen content (torrents), a flood of people trying to rip off everybody whenever possible.

Yes, we still make good money, but it's like beating up someone and then saying: "Hey, what the fuck do you complain, adapt to it, you are still alive"

L-Pink · 01-18-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

I think the massive amounts of "unregulated" porn coming into the US will become a crusade for some politician.

Will the fall-out be positive or negative ???

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Online porn has been in the crosshairs of governments and politicians since day one. The tube sites just shine a super bright light on the adult industry that no one will benefit from.

They steal our content, they offer free porn taking away from our sales, and they are so easy to use - just point and click - no any age verification on any level (content or surfer). A foolish formula that will ultimately kill off (or massively regulate) online porn.

Adapt or die? I laugh evertime some shortsighted asshole makes that statement. Yeah, adapt to no money from online porn, or die off trying to point out how dangerous the business model of free tube sites are.

Tube sites have no future, but what's worse is that they will help all of us have no future.

Only assholes sponsor tube sites. It is suicide to support tubes, and if you have any self-respect you will call out those who perpetuate this nonsense, and you will stop doing business with them.

Very nice post. The secret in business is not how much money you can make, it's how many years can you make it.

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tony286 · 01-18-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

No I dont agree on that one. Most amateur porn is from swingers, and people who want to show off, but dont think they are hot enough to get paid for it. Or just flat out exhibitionists. They get off on it, and that is payment enough for many.

Been a swinger for 9 yrs. Your wrong once again,very very small number. Swingers tend to be very private people, they have very str8 day jobs and if videos of them fucking got online and found out it would ruin their careers.

stickyfingerz · 01-18-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Been a swinger for 9 yrs. Your wrong once again,very very small number. Swingers tend to be very private people, they have very str8 day jobs and if videos of them fucking got online and found out it would ruin their careers.

Well Ive had the opposite experience I guess lol. Been swinging since 94 or 95. Ive had a ton of video sent to me from other couples and singles. So would far from say Im "wrong". Ive just had different experiences than you.

Funny I seem to remember http://www.icuii.com/ being a tad popular back in the day. Why do all the swinger sites have video upload and webcam viewing plus recording features? To say swingers which are largely exhibitionists dont like to do video of themselves and give it away just for the thrill is silly.

L-Pink · 01-18-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhesus

We're not all in the US, FYI.

There is an answer that will cost you more future money than I want to think about.

Porn is coming very close to the regulatory ban-hammer. Face it, 2257 is meaningless with tube sites. If a product can't be regulated it gets banned. Australia has started, China will cut your wang off, the US would start a domino effect.

YES, this might sound stupid to all you hot young millionaires sitting 12 hours a day in-front of your monitors ..... but the world doesn't need porn. In fact there is a large percentage that just shouldn't be exposed to it. CHILDREN.

No-one can fight legislation when it's done to protect CHILDREN. To myself and many others "porn" is Playboy/Penthouse stuff. Try to defend some of the content out there, sure it's first amendment, it's also the CHILDREN.

Congress won't care about torrent posting rights, they won't have to when a clean up the net campaine starts. I just wish I would have had the chance to bitch but prosper under 2257 regulations for another decade or two. We ain't seen nothing yet.

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will76 · 01-18-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

The most untouchable pirates in the world are launching this soon...

http://www.thevideobay.com/

Apparently that is a high priority project for them right now. Uncensored, and your DMCA letters will probably go in the trash (before they are scanned and posted online of course).

But you know what? I don't care. Only the wannabes lose sleep over this garbage. Even the best tube sites do not stack up against what a decent members area can offer, and they never will! So the way I figure it, any lackluster paysite the tubes put out of business has done the industry a favor. For the affiliates claiming lost sales, "too much free porn" has been the #1 cop out for years and years.

What you say is true with a couple exceptions. It is the old school picture and video sites that will be hurt the most. The companies who build 50 crap sites with all non exclusive content and all they offer is picture and videos, and they charge $34.95 a month. Yeah I agree those sites will get their asses handed to them by tube sites.

If you member's area offers real interraction, live cams, models who communicate and cater to the members, good customer service, then your membership site will do fine with or without tube sites (or free content) out there.

The exception I see is the quality custom content niche sites out there. The sites that are only picture and video but they provide custom quality content from picture shoots that cost thousands of dollars and they update their sites often. These sites will suffer. Their member's area is quality and worthly of people paying $30 a month but if all of their shit is downloaded and put on tubes or torrents then it will be hard for them to stay in business.

I agree with what you posted but there are a few exceptions.

commonsense · 01-18-2008, 04:34 PM

Why do you idiots keep bumping this thread? Really, just do the world a favor and just bump a contest thread. And do not bump it just to point out the fact I bumped it.

Tube sites that post stolen content will eventually be taken down by DDOS or worse. Mark my words.

will76 · 01-18-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

There is a "user upload" loophole that currently applies. This is a huge loophole that allows the entire concept to even exist. For that matter dating sites as well.

Imagine if the playing field was level and "amateurs" had to have 2257 doc's, a place of business, etc. Actually that would be great!

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yes in regards to 2257 but only for the person uploading content of themselves. If i make a video of myself and i upload it to a site like aff so i can put it on my dating profile then I don't have to deal with 2257. If I steal your porn video off of your site and I upload it to my AFF dating profile then I should be held to 2257 guidelines. That is not me in the video and I do not own the content. The law might not specify that but if tested I will bet everything I own that the person stealing nude content and uploading it will NOT be protected by 2257 "user upload" loophole.

Now the site will be protected from needing 2257 documention because it does not monitor its uploads (wanna be SE) but the person uploading it is another story. They are "publishing" nude content to the web for others to see without providing documentation. They are using content they did not make or do not own, they should not be exempt from providing documention of the person nude in the image or video they are uploading. If it was a video of themselves they would have the proof (their license in their wallet) that they could document with 100% certainty that the person (themselves) in the video is of legal age.

Apply this to Copyright theft. These type of social network, tube, upload type sites might be protected by DMCA from copyrighted material, BUT the person uploading the stolen content is BREAKING THE LAW, SUE THEM!.

Kevin Marx · 01-18-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

There is an answer that will cost you more future money than I want to think about.

Porn is coming very close to the regulatory ban-hammer. Face it, 2257 is meaningless with tube sites. If a product can't be regulated it gets banned. Australia has started, China will cut your wang off, the US would start a domino effect.

YES, this might sound stupid to all you hot young millionaires sitting 12 hours a day in-front of your monitors ..... but the world doesn't need porn. In fact there is a large percentage that just shouldn't be exposed to it. CHILDREN.

No-one can fight legislation when it's done to protect CHILDREN. To myself and many others "porn" is Playboy/Penthouse stuff. Try to defend some of the content out there, sure it's first amendment, it's also the CHILDREN.

Congress won't care about torrent posting rights, they won't have to when a clean up the net campaine starts. I just wish I would have had the chance to bitch but prosper under 2257 regulations for another decade or two. We ain't seen nothing yet.

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I have 2 kids of my own. I filter the shit out of what they have access to and I feel it's a parents responsibility to do that, not the government. But I also have to say our kids have a healthy view of nudity and bodies as they know what kind of work I do (well... at least up to a Playboy level).

On the other hand, the Internet is the fucking wild wild west with no regulation. People can do just about whatever the fuck they want to and get away with it. There is really no control. Finding ways to protect copyrights, keep kids away and also maintain it as a strong business force it a huge task..... one which most people say is better left as it is.

I would prefer that the government block access to sites that don't conform to US laws that are hosted outside the US. No reason they shouldn't be able to. That includes terrorist sites, pirate, p2p, obscene porn, etc.

As far as kids go... people should try being parents once in a while instead of letting their XBox and PC play babysitter.

polish_aristocrat · 01-19-2008, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by StarkReality

Yes, we still make good money, but it's like beating up someone and then saying: "Hey, what the fuck do you complain, adapt to it, you are still alive"

so true...

Matt 26z · 01-19-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin-SFBucks

I would prefer that the government block access to sites that don't conform to US laws that are hosted outside the US. No reason they shouldn't be able to. That includes terrorist sites, pirate, p2p, obscene porn, etc.

I think your solution to infringement causes more harm than good.

That would be an extremely dangerous thing for the future of the internet if a western country implemented the laws you are calling for. Governments should never have the power to censor internet content at their sole discretion in the name of protecting it's citizens and private business interests.

If the US does it, then everyone else follows. You may as well throw away all your .com's and get ready to be limited to .us, .co.uk, .co.au, .ca, etc... because things will snowball out of control and webmasters can't possibly tailor their site content to meet the individual demands of a hundred different countries with an internet presence.

For instance France and Germany have a ban on Nazi materials. Imagine if a GFY troll started posting Nazi propaganda here. Webmasters in those countries would be at risk of losing access to GFY. And that is just ONE example.

tony286 · 01-19-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Well Ive had the opposite experience I guess lol. Been swinging since 94 or 95. Ive had a ton of video sent to me from other couples and singles. So would far from say Im "wrong". Ive just had different experiences than you.

Funny I seem to remember http://www.icuii.com/ being a tad popular back in the day. Why do all the swinger sites have video upload and webcam viewing plus recording features? To say swingers which are largely exhibitionists dont like to do video of themselves and give it away just for the thrill is silly.

Webcam isnt the same and I highly doubt you were a swinger in 94 95 . Your currently what 31 yrs old maybe? Also when you see am video on a swinger site its looks nothing like "am" video on tube sites. Do you think your going to get something for sucking their dicks? lol

stickyfingerz · 01-19-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Webcam isnt the same and I highly doubt you were a swinger in 94 95 . Your currently what 31 yrs old maybe? Also when you see am video on a swinger site its looks nothing like "am" video on tube sites. Do you think your going to get something for sucking their dicks? lol

Ill be 35 this year Tony. Guess all the Sticky haters calling me "kid" all the time made you think I was younger. Graduated in 91. Was around 21 and started swinging with a girlfriend. There was a swingers club up in OH across the border from PA we used to frequent.

Who's dick am I sucking exactly by saying Ive seen ton of amateur video over the years done by swingers?

tony286 · 01-19-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Ill be 35 this year Tony. Guess all the Sticky haters calling me "kid" all the time made you think I was younger. Graduated in 91. Was around 21 and started swinging with a girlfriend. There was a swingers club up in OH across the border from PA we used to frequent.

Who's dick am I sucking exactly by saying Ive seen ton of amateur video over the years done by swingers?

Sorry I thought you were younger. I still disagree lol you old bastard lol

Barefootsies · 01-19-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyProfits

I 100% agree on this. Too bad the adult industry is free to enter for all. I cannot believe how ignorant some people are. I am sick of hearing bullshit like adapt or die. Lets all go back to picpost sites and we will be rich.

NTSS · 01-19-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

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But you know what? I don't care. Only the wannabes lose sleep over this garbage. Even the best tube sites do not stack up against what a decent members area can offer, and they never will! So the way I figure it, any lackluster paysite the tubes put out of business has done the industry a favor. For the affiliates claiming lost sales, "too much free porn" has been the #1 cop out for years and years.

Good point...I think the most valuable customer is attracted to a particular model, niche or theme and he demands regular updates and full access to all the content thats available. To my knowledge the tube sites offer only bits and pieces...I think you hit the nail on the head.

Otter · 01-19-2008, 08:22 PM

I think sticking to niche or ultra niche business is a way to combat tube sites

<>< · 01-19-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Well Ive had the opposite experience I guess lol. Been swinging since 94 or 95.

must be different in the gay community.

tony286 · 01-19-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by <><

must be different in the gay community.

Sysgenix · 01-20-2008, 11:19 PM

If you want a site to really see the growth on and the full movies try yourfilehost.com

quantum-x · 01-20-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Of the THOUSANDS of anti-tube posts, how many times can you remember reading about a realistic solution put forth by someone?

::: crickets :::

The only thing I ever recall is a bunch of little boys crying in mama's tit.

So here is my solution proposal...

Content owners simply digitally sign all of their members area and affiliate promo content. Something like "? Acme Adult." The adult tube sites could then automatically check for the copyright and deny it before it even got posted. This could be done through either white listing or black listing.

As long as the surfer didn't fuck around with the video this would work. At the very least it would stop the average surfer from uploading to tube sites that checked for it, and that's probably enough to curtail a very high percentage of tube infringements.

There have been suggestions and solutions put forward, but webmasters and site owners don't seem to care...

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DivaShane Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas - Land of Retards Posts: 370	I'm relatively new to the tube site debate so please don't flame me to bad if I'm wrong here but... If it's affiliates uploading to tube sites isn't there a way that the sponsors could track traffic from tube sites? If so they could make it a rule that content can't be used on tube sites. If it's sponsor programs themselves doing it then affiliates could boycott those sponsors. Again... I'm not well versed in the tube debate but I've always hated the free porn situation. __________________ Shane Webmaster Wednesday - Internet Radio For Webmasters

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commonsense So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,790	Why do you idiots keep bumping this thread? Really, just do the world a favor and just bump a contest thread. And do not bump it just to point out the fact I bumped it. Tube sites that post stolen content will eventually be taken down by DDOS or worse. Mark my words.

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Otter Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 224	I think sticking to niche or ultra niche business is a way to combat tube sites