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  • Barefootsies
    Choice is an Illusion
    • Feb 2005
    • 42635
    #51
    50 mike-al fucking idiots.

    Originally posted by mike-al
    Sorry, Please forgive me but I just dont understand your business principals... You waste time policing it, but knowing your going to do nothing about it?
    Sorry bitch, I'm not playing devil's advocate with you. Anyone who is a smaller company, with limited time and resources understands it fine.

    When YOU start making content, get it stolen, and have to deal with the issue. THEN you come and give me your "expert" advice on how to resolve it.

    Until then, keep stirring the pot.
    Should You Email Your Members?

    Link1 | Link2 | Link3

    Enough Said.

    "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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      • Zorgman
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2002
        • 6103
        #52
        Originally posted by notoldschool
        Im sure its heading that way.
        Its ready there. I found one just yesterday. However, i notice he took it down now. Looked almost the same.
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          • Barefootsies
            Choice is an Illusion
            • Feb 2005
            • 42635
            #53
            Originally posted by quantum-x
            Interestingly, I developed a solution that stopped content theft / content being spread to torrent sites etc IN ITS TRACKS - and contacted over 50 affiliate programs.

            You know what? Not one single program was willing to pay even $200 a month to be covered, or to try to prevent the problem.

            Seems like there are a lot of empty vessels around here...
            wow.....

            Should You Email Your Members?

            Link1 | Link2 | Link3

            Enough Said.

            "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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              • mike-al
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2007
                • 691
                #54
                Originally posted by Barefootsies
                50 mike-al fucking idiots.



                Sorry bitch, I'm not playing devil's advocate with you. Anyone who is a smaller company, with limited time and resources understands it fine.

                When YOU start making content, get it stolen, and have to deal with the issue. THEN you come and give me your "expert" advice on how to resolve it.

                Until then, keep stirring the pot.

                Like calling me a bitch do you? Lets see how that plays out in your future
                Delete this account, i am done here

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                  • mike-al
                    Confirmed User
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 691
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Zorgman
                    Its ready there. I found one just yesterday. However, i notice he took it down now. Looked almost the same.
                    redtube is almost a spitting image of the default template of that script
                    Delete this account, i am done here

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                      • Pleasurepays
                        BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 11913
                        #56
                        Originally posted by Barefootsies
                        wow.....

                        everyone thinks that "things" are the problem.

                        its the people in this industry that are the problem.


                        "never teach a pig to sing. it will just waste your time and annoy the pig"

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                          • Zorgman
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 6103
                            #57
                            Mike, the TEVS default sytle is nothing like redtube. But it could be made to look like it without much fuss.

                            There will be 3 more index styles being added by monday. TEVS webmasters can download them from the members area then. :D
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                              • mike-al
                                Confirmed User
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 691
                                #58
                                oh i mean clipshare or whatever default is redtube... one of those scripts.. i forget which
                                Delete this account, i am done here

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                                  • mike-al
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Aug 2007
                                    • 691
                                    #59
                                    hit me on icq in a minute, installing icq now, my other computer died so I am a bit outta whack here
                                    Delete this account, i am done here

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                                      • will76
                                        Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                        • May 2003
                                        • 18037
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by mike-al
                                        Why the constant C&D game? Once is enough for fair warning... Why not just blatent go get some change from them? Too much headache? I looking for true reason here please... Why not slap that file on em? From multiple angles other than just plain copyright theft as explained above
                                        Fuck C&D or DMCA, why not file charges against the " users " who are uploading the stolen content, DMCA doesn't protect them. Then the site has to comply and give over their information. I bet not all of them use fake info and proxy servers to upload content. Not now, since they know they have nothing to worry about. 50/50 chance the ip is tied back into the site owner. Either way, nail a few of the "people" doing the uploading. If one program laid down the law on their content, people who steal would stay away from that program. And/Or if you target 1 site at a time like megarotic and every program sues all the users who upload their content to that site, then people will stop going to megarotic and it will lose a lot of it's traffic. If it loses all it's content, and people are scared to upload new content, then where do they get content from
                                        ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com

                                        PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread)
                                        FNCash | Media Revenue

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                                          • mike-al
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2007
                                            • 691
                                            #61
                                            I don't buy the "user upload" scheme one bit, what typical user
                                            has such a connection to upload 2 gigs of porn on their "dsl" connection
                                            that is some 512kbps if they are lucky
                                            Delete this account, i am done here

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                                              • stickyfingerz
                                                Doin fine
                                                • Oct 2005
                                                • 24984
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                You must not have read his post. The person he is talking about owns a proggie.
                                                Umm ya and I do thanks. and Im not ashamed to attach my opinions to mine, unlike you. Coward.

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                                                  • will76
                                                    Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                                    • May 2003
                                                    • 18037
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by mike-al
                                                    I don't buy the "user upload" scheme one bit, what typical user
                                                    has such a connection to upload 2 gigs of porn on their "dsl" connection
                                                    that is some 512kbps if they are lucky
                                                    then you tie it back into the site owner and they have no protection from DMCA if they put it there. they are nailed. there is clear case of copyright violation by the "user". you can easily force the site that is acting like a "hosting company" to turn over the information for that user. If they dont have the info or if it ties back to them they are fucked.
                                                    ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com

                                                    PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread)
                                                    FNCash | Media Revenue

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                                                      • mike-al
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2007
                                                        • 691
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by will76
                                                        then you tie it back into the site owner and they have no protection from DMCA if they put it there. they are nailed. there is clear case of copyright violation by the "user". you can easily force the site that is acting like a "hosting company" to turn over the information for that user. If they dont have the info or if it ties back to them they are fucked.
                                                        sounds a little too complicated, could be easier than that.. if you C&D the site owner, you also C&D the host... then the host is notified the site owner...
                                                        The host has certain Terms & Conditions to abide by in regards to their network contract and passes these terms down to their end users...

                                                        you know the old "no spamming" no illegal content stuff.
                                                        If you are hitting them with 3-4 C&D's and they are not doing nothing
                                                        now the HOST is just as reliable as the copyright infringing site owner is

                                                        Now you have direct heat scenario on the host to force the client to shape up.... The host risks getting sued based on clients illegal or care free site operating... The host risks losing its entire plug, thus is the ultiamte pressure...

                                                        Now there is more than just a host.. you can also C&D the hosts uplink backbone provider(s) and let them know as well.. now you have a backbone provider putting heat on the host, the host is putting heat on the client or pulling the plug as they don't want to be involved...

                                                        All this thought over a salad, yet according to barefootsie, im a ignorant idiot
                                                        BITCH eh? You're a fucking troll, and btw I sold content in the past, and if i ever caught another mother fucking selling or giving my content away, his ass would be on a silver fucking platter and be quartered.. thats the difference between PLAYERS AND GIMPS. Players move and react, gimps call others names on boards and suffer in their "small enviroment"
                                                        Delete this account, i am done here

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                                                          • mike-al
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Aug 2007
                                                            • 691
                                                            #65
                                                            Sorry about that guys, that got to me... but back to what I am poking at...
                                                            Noone is protecting their content.. this leads me to believe something strange is going on here.... something is NOT adding up, and I am trying to figure out what it is.. Is it a different format of money they want but just keeping quiet, is it they are the runners of all these sites? Soemthing is not making sense to all this supposed illegal content out there and nothing being done about it...
                                                            Delete this account, i am done here

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                                                              • quantum-x
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                • 6863
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by will76
                                                                Fuck C&D or DMCA, why not file charges against the " users " who are uploading the stolen content, DMCA doesn't protect them. Then the site has to comply and give over their information. I bet not all of them use fake info and proxy servers to upload content. Not now, since they know they have nothing to worry about. 50/50 chance the ip is tied back into the site owner. Either way, nail a few of the "people" doing the uploading. If one program laid down the law on their content, people who steal would stay away from that program. And/Or if you target 1 site at a time like megarotic and every program sues all the users who upload their content to that site, then people will stop going to megarotic and it will lose a lot of it's traffic. If it loses all it's content, and people are scared to upload new content, then where do they get content from
                                                                Originally posted by mike-al
                                                                Sorry about that guys, that got to me... but back to what I am poking at...
                                                                Noone is protecting their content.. this leads me to believe something strange is going on here.... something is NOT adding up, and I am trying to figure out what it is.. Is it a different format of money they want but just keeping quiet, is it they are the runners of all these sites? Soemthing is not making sense to all this supposed illegal content out there and nothing being done about it...
                                                                See my earlier posts on this subject.
                                                                My code works with every major CMS, and can tie everything back to individual users, but noone seems to care ;)

                                                                and i'm not spamming any product, i'm over the concept of trying to help almost...
                                                                Last edited by quantum-x; 01-16-2008, 09:06 PM.
                                                                PrettyInCash.com - BoozedGFs.com - TeenGFs.com - JizzGFs.com- MilfUploads.com -

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                                                                  • Pleasurepays
                                                                    BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                    • 11913
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by quantum-x
                                                                    See my earlier posts on this subject.
                                                                    My code works with every major CMS, and can tie everything back to individual users, but noone seems to care ;)

                                                                    and i'm not spamming any product, i'm over the concept of trying to help almost...
                                                                    haha... the thread killer. an actual solution. of course, not something people are really interested in.


                                                                    proof again that this industry is full of apathetic, short sighted, greedy retards who have always had the "if you can't beat them, join them" mentality.



                                                                    "hey guys, i can stop this sort of content theft in its tracks!"
                                                                    ..... <crickets>

                                                                    too funny.

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                                                                      • notoldschool
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Aug 2007
                                                                        • 5687
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                        Umm ya and I do thanks. and Im not ashamed to attach my opinions to mine, unlike you. Coward.
                                                                        ha ha. Thats because I actually have something to lose by pissing off people who promote my shit. Call me a coward, I say Im smart. This board is great but I dont trust any single person who uses it.

                                                                        BTW, I have atleast 400 free sites that get more traffic than your top paysite. I also push more traffic to one of the hundred plus programs I promote daily, than all your paysites put together. Not saying your sites are ugly or not usable, but when your pushing 600 people a day to your top site, I wouldnt be acting like I know anything. You should have started by making a good paysite, learning how to get traffic, then maybe start a program. But after reading your posts I understand why you wouldnt go that route.
                                                                        No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
                                                                        -- Learned Hand

                                                                        http://www.bjpenn.com

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                                                                          • Fluid
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                            • 380
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                                            BOTH - TUBE SITES WILL BE THE END OF THE ONLINE PORN BIZ.
                                                                            lets review...

                                                                            TGPs
                                                                            MGPs
                                                                            Free sites going to 10 pic minimums
                                                                            Free sites going to 20 pic minimums
                                                                            The streaming video patent
                                                                            Billing companies folding
                                                                            Zango

                                                                            and now tubes.

                                                                            Know what they all have in common? The all were forcasted to be the end of our industry in their time ;)

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                                                                              • mike-al
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Aug 2007
                                                                                • 691
                                                                                #70
                                                                                so that means nothing will be the end of the industry based on that theory? <blink> <blink> <blink> and define industry.... affiliate industry or porn industry
                                                                                Delete this account, i am done here

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                                                                                  • stickyfingerz
                                                                                    Doin fine
                                                                                    • Oct 2005
                                                                                    • 24984
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                                    ha ha. Thats because I actually have something to lose by pissing off people who promote my shit. Call me a coward, I say Im smart. This board is great but I dont trust any single person who uses it.

                                                                                    BTW, I have atleast 400 free sites that get more traffic than your top paysite. I also push more traffic to one of the hundred plus programs I promote daily, than all your paysites put together. Not saying your sites are ugly or not usable, but when your pushing 600 people a day to your top site, I wouldnt be acting like I know anything. You should have started by making a good paysite, learning how to get traffic, then maybe start a program. But after reading your posts I understand why you wouldnt go that route.
                                                                                    lol Well since we are just now building internal traffic I think we'll be find captain coward. No we are not huge yet. Im pushing around 300k a month of internal traffic up from 200k the month before. Slow and steady wins the race. I work everyday on our traffic. Im sure Id be much better off spending my time spamming crappy threads about some looney canidate that has 0 chance of getting the nomination or winning any election for Pres. lol

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                                                                                      • tony299
                                                                                        lurker
                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                        • 57021
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by mike-al
                                                                                        so that means nothing will be the end of the industry based on that theory? <blink> <blink> <blink> and define industry.... affiliate industry or porn industry
                                                                                        Your right, they really are two separate industries.

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                                                                                          • Fluid
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                            • 380
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by mike-al
                                                                                            so that means nothing will be the end of the industry based on that theory? <blink> <blink> <blink> and define industry.... affiliate industry or porn industry
                                                                                            I wouldn't say nothing, but I will say the sky has been falling so long that I don't even glance up anymore when I hear about it

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                                                                                              • notoldschool
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Aug 2007
                                                                                                • 5687
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                lol Well since we are just now building internal traffic I think we'll be find captain coward. No we are not huge yet. Im pushing around 300k a month of internal traffic up from 200k the month before. Slow and steady wins the race. I work everyday on our traffic. Im sure Id be much better off spending my time spamming crappy threads about some looney canidate that has 0 chance of getting the nomination or winning any election for Pres. lol
                                                                                                Funny how you have to resort to slamming my sig because everything I said is true. I do not need to spam my program sig because everyone allready knows my sites lead the way in our rightfull niches, so it holds no monetary gain for me to do otherwise. Like I said, I think you have a nice start to your program and I wish you luck. I might even promote you someday when you offer more advanced billing options.
                                                                                                No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
                                                                                                -- Learned Hand

                                                                                                http://www.bjpenn.com

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                                                                                                  • stickyfingerz
                                                                                                    Doin fine
                                                                                                    • Oct 2005
                                                                                                    • 24984
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                                                    Funny how you have to resort to slamming my sig because everything I said is true. I do not need to spam my program sig because everyone allready knows my sites lead the way in our rightfull niches, so it holds no monetary gain for me to do otherwise. Like I said, I think you have a nice start to your program and I wish you luck. I might even promote you someday when you offer more advanced billing options.
                                                                                                    We offer cascading through CCBill actually. Im glad I didn't go 3rd party at this point. <sarcasm> But anyways I forgot to mention that I own a Leer Jet and a Rolls Royce phantom is parked in my 25 car garage. No I wont bother to show you, I wont be lowered to that level. Just take my word that Im a big player. </sarcasm> Don't make claims to be some big shot if you are too scared to reveal who you are. By looking at your threads you have made I see signs pointing to this being unlikely, but who knows could be true. Either way I've got traffic to work on in order to catch up I guess. Have fun.

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                                                                                                      • L-Pink
                                                                                                        working on my tan
                                                                                                        • Mar 2005
                                                                                                        • 39151
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        What really surprises me is the huge 2257 loophole that allows tube-sites to even exist.

                                                                                                        If I have a 40 year old woman appear to touch herself in a cropped photo this simulated act can put me in prison if my paperwork isn't in order at the business site I must provide. Meanwhile her 17 year old daughter can lick the ass of her friend, shit in a cup and eat it provided she "uploads it herself" to a site with no age verification ..... wtf?

                                                                                                        Maybe it's time to get on the 2257 bandwagon?


                                                                                                        .
                                                                                                        Last edited by L-Pink; 01-17-2008, 12:24 PM.

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                                                                                                          • notoldschool
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Aug 2007
                                                                                                            • 5687
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                            We offer cascading through CCBill actually. Im glad I didn't go 3rd party at this point. <sarcasm> But anyways I forgot to mention that I own a Leer Jet and a Rolls Royce phantom is parked in my 25 car garage. No I wont bother to show you, I wont be lowered to that level. Just take my word that Im a big player. </sarcasm> Don't make claims to be some big shot if you are too scared to reveal who you are. By looking at your threads you have made I see signs pointing to this being unlikely, but who knows could be true. Either way I've got traffic to work on in order to catch up I guess. Have fun.
                                                                                                            I feel the same way. In reality lets just say your right and nobody really cares. I can go with that. I just hate to see assholes steal content and give it away for profit.
                                                                                                            No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
                                                                                                            -- Learned Hand

                                                                                                            http://www.bjpenn.com

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                                                                                                              • mike-al
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                • 691
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                My friend just told me he is being harrassed by a photography company that is basically trying to extort $3000 from him via snail mail, based off a script he purchased in where there was some pictures that claim to be owned by this company used in the default templated script..

                                                                                                                So instead of DCMA'ing him and getting him to remove their supposed licensed stock photography, looks like they just decided to bill for infringement
                                                                                                                Says he gets one every month for 5 months and don't do nothing about it and wants to see where it goes... Says it'd be worth it to be sued as he wants to countersue for extortion.. Anyone have a clueon this? Is this legal? If so why are not you guys doing the same? I mean if 2 pictuers of some girls face is worth $1500 each... Whats an entire porn clip worth $25,000?
                                                                                                                Delete this account, i am done here

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                                                                                                                  • stickyfingerz
                                                                                                                    Doin fine
                                                                                                                    • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                    • 24984
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                                                                    I feel the same way. In reality lets just say your right and nobody really cares. I can go with that. I just hate to see assholes steal content and give it away for profit.
                                                                                                                    Im totally against the stealing, I just dont think the best avenue to fix things is to try to "herd cats" post theft. Trying to police all these sites is unlikely to do much good in the long run. There is a shit load out there already, do we want all the new fresh exclusive stuff out there now too? People like fresh new porn. I personally am unlikely to watch a scene more than once. So if the line of supply is cut off the consumer is more likely to sign up to something they cant get free. Non dvd release exclusive content you cant get anywhere else. People will put up maybe with a bit of hassle to view something like that. Dunno to me seems the more likely way to go. Push for industry wide change on how we all deliver our content. There is enough big money people getting content stolen and hurting their bottom line right? Ok then it would be prudent for them to get together the best coders in the biz and figure out a solution. Shit give it away for links back to their sites. A plugin that upsells to something they sell.

                                                                                                                    Maybe a cam company or dating company might find it very financially lucrative to invest in such a product and give it away for a simple upsell plugin from peoples members areas.. Hmm imagine a tool made for the whole industry that will protect member content given away for the cost of an upsell that they even give a percentage back to the site just like a normal affiliate. These are just thoughts Im throwing out. Maybe say an industry leading cam and dating company with the resources to develop such a product might do very very well giving away such a thing..

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