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http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10...e-a-music-tax/

Prices for music CDs have already dropped alot and the money is now mostly made with concert deals.

Do you think the porn industry will eventually also go this route of diminishing signup prices?

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no revenue on products manufactured = no new products manufactured.

bottom line.

Rui

The Industry doesn't have the route that Trent points as valid\solution...

We have thousands or middle-man in the process ;)

L-Pink

The music industry has money they won't go down without a fight. Then we have Hollywood, they really have money. Our government will step in, then who knows.

Profits of Doom

All this means is gone are the times that an idiot with some porn content and a few dollars in his pocket can throw up a program and become a millionaire.

I feel like a broken record saying this, but I spent a lot of years running adult bookstores, and they are considered more of a dying business than adult websites. Does that mean you can no longer make money running an adult bookstore? Absolutely not...that just means that the average moron that opens an adult bookstore and has no clue what demographic he is targeting will fail and go out of business...

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GatorB

No shit. Why the freeloaders don't get this? They can't use the old excuse "I illegally downloading because of DRM" because all the lables have dropped DRM. The ONLY excuse left is because their minimum wage jobs don't pay enough. I mean it's 99 cents. If a song is worth having, it's worth 99 cents. If a song is so crappy it's not worth paying for then why have that "crap" in your music collection tobegin with?

hateman

Bullshit.

You're saying that there will be no artists just because they wont be able to sell many CDs?

Only in America

SayWhut

Commercial music is over priced anyway. Thank fuck. These talentless artists don't need any more money. Neither do the record execs.

tony286

well said . Also its funny their like fuck the rich guys and their making the bt owners rich.

seeric

no asshole. i'm saying that economically the music distribution business will fall apart.

you are inept at economics.

there will always be artists.

stupid fuck.

mrthumbs

Yeah.. it sure is a challenge to enforce the law but part of this internet thing growing up is that people need to comply with the law just as they do in real life.

It will be a slow process but it requires awareness with the public and the regulators but im sure copyright laws can and will be enforced in the future.

Child pornography is enforced quite well these days.. 10-12 years ago for exmaple if you ran a CJ or tgp site you would have to weed out daily submitters with CP, the newsgroups were full of it and clicking around on ANY CJ type site would get you into underage material in no time. Not even talking about what happened on p2p..

Same with beast.. beast pics were posted here on this board on a regular basis a few years ago..! Can you imagine doing that today?

In 1995 you could start a website, rip some content and nobody would or could really do something about it..specailly if it was on a website outside your country...theres loads of progress in that area these days.. i shut a site
down in Isreal that was using our content a few weeks back..

Sure.. all of the above things ive mentioned are and will always be available online.. but there will be a day where, just like with the above examples, it simply will be 'not done' to rip a music disc op copy a film because chances are big youll get caught, the law will be enforced and youll end up with a lot of trouble.

The problem with music and dvd is simply that it has a bigger userbase than the above examples, but thats
just a matter of time until the resources are available for governments to deal with that.

L-Pink

Well that covers that, nice post

hateman

You sound like an idiot.

GatorB

Hope you enjoy only listening to music already made because there won't be any more new music. Would YOU work for FREE? I thought not.

Scootermuze

The only way it might work is in the cases where the performing artists write their own stuff...
Writers aren't performers..
Writers not compensated = writers stop writing = performers have nothing to perform.

L-Pink

What is everyone in the future going to watch on their 100" lazer flat-screens when Hollywood can't fund new movies? CNN, Friends, History channel, etc .....

hateman

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.

Google it if you have to.

GatorB

Can you provide a more recent example? I mean one that isn't over 200 years old?

Oh by the way he was a musician for PAY so your point is wrong anyways.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart

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Jim_Gunn

Bullshit. A music CD is a bargain for $12 or $14 for a CD full of ten or so songs that you might listen to over and over again for years. Even if you only like one song it's still a bargain. (And if you do like only one song you aren't much of a fan anyway)

That price is not out of line compared to a movie that you might watch once or a meal that you eat and digest once or a lap dance that is over in five minutes or any other trivial impulse purchase. What should they do- sell you an album by your favorite artist for a nickel?

DBS.US

It's not looking good

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Scootermuze

No need to..

I was referring to writers.. that make their living writing songs.. They are the backbone for the larger part..

Many performers that write their own stuff do so in collaboration with writers..

Their aren't enough performers that write 100% their own stuff to keep the industry going..

BlackCrayon

Life is expensive. If people can find a way to get non essentials for free, then they are going to do it.

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BlackCrayon

Well most real artists write their own stuff. Writers are mostly writting radio friendly bubblegum bullshit which i for one could do without.

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It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

L-Pink

Once the initial customer base has loaded their favorites of course sales will taper off. I downloaded over 300 the first week I owned my ipod.

ultimatebbwdotcom

Wolfgang didnt have to put up with people recording his material and redistributing it on a world wide network.

The worst he likely had to put up with was a small crowd of peasants trying to listen to him playing through a window of the concert hall.

Please, if youre going to try and make examples, look at the bigger picture otherwise you'll look like a fucking dumbass.

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NoWhErE

Torrent and p2p sites are sitting high and mighty right now, but the larger they grow, the bigger the target they will be and like every empre they will fall.

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Matt 26z

True, and not true.

The best artists in the world are all starving. That's the way it has always been. So the stuff does get made, it just doesn't get seen by the masses. Maybe the internet changes that now.

An example would be photography. Before the internet good stuff was limited to magazines, books and art stores. But now you go to DeviantArt or Flickr and you find unknowns working unpaid creating some of the best stuff you'll see.

Scootermuze

I suppose that depends on what you consider a real artists.. and what genre.. as the free deal would have to include them all, where many chart toppers, and money makers are written and produced by people other than the performers..

and not many artists have their own studios, engineers, labels, publishers, etc..
I doubt these folks are willing to work for nothing as well...

Grapesoda

arena fuck shows?

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Odin

Well, I don't value my music collection at $5,000. I certainly wouldn't be willing to fork that much out if I was on minimum wage, even if it is over time.

MRock

Porn, music ... it's all digital media. The same obstacles and solutions will apply.

Interesting points and opinions. My first Music CD on my label Nite Train Digital is being released next month ... rockin band called The Dive Bar Stalkers ... I'll let you know how it goes.

I launched my label because my Intice - Taste The Night CD from 1989 was selling on websites for $80. Only collectors, of course, would spend that much money on a CD. But I wanted people to check out my music for a lower price. As an experiment, I launched a website and offered digital downloads or "licensed burns" of the original. Damn surprised to have had steady sales in that format all of last year.

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L-Pink

Isn't it nice to make the choice regarding your product, rather than others doing it for you?

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pocketkangaroo

I think for porn and other industries this is correct, but music is much different. There are still people in music for the love of it, and in fact, the quality of music may go up when you knock out the commercial element. If everyone downloaded music for free, you'd still have musicians out there dying to get it into your hands.

But I think that's just music. Movies, TV, and porn are destined to go through a "dark ages" in production of sorts as revenues decline.

Rochard

I use a small program commonly used by bloggers. I've been using it for some time now, and earlier today had some free time and decided to explore some of it's options, including the ablity to resize photos and create properly linked thumbnails.

A bunch of people got together, decided there was a need for something, and created it. They didn't want fame or glory or even money; They wanted to build a better product. They might some beer money off of ads on their site, but that's about it.

This is what the music industry is going to face soon. In the near future there will be a day when music isn't created by people looking for fame and money. They'll be doing it because they love what they do.

People who love what they do will do it for free, and even more so if it's enjoyed by others.

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GatorB

And where wil they get all the time to do this because they'll have to have REAL jobs. Oh and you do realize that studio time is REALLY fucking expensive. So is the equipment. So where are they going to get the money to make all this FREE music for you to enjoy? Perhaps they just get some used equipment from a yard sale and record it in their garage. That'll sound good. EVERY artist hopes to make a livng at doing their art. This notion that artists just want to do their shit for free is a fantasy. Or an excuse for freeloaders to not compensate them.