who are you and why do you piss up at your betters?

holy crap, if those stats are real, please take down your links. 0:27 hits a day won't effect my ratios but I pride myself on only working with smart webmasters.

1. They are real.
2. They are not mine. They are another company owner's stats whom you do consider smart.
3. Just because the dates set to retrieve stats are the entire year, doesn't mean the program was promoted the entire year.

But nice spin you tried to put on it :1orglaugh

better what? better idiot? better failure?

I'm so tempted to show my stats. LOL

no company I consider smart would let you look at their stats.

nice try though.

what's it like to have accomplished nothing and you're only outlet is posting on a chatboard?
I mean seriously. idiot? failure?
who are you and what have you ever done?:1orglaugh

Actually, they showed their stats to everyone. Just like every year.

Nice try though.

Damn, check out these Alexa stats for 12ClicksCash with his "smart webmasters"...

12clickscash.com: 796,876 (down 172,973 over past 3 months)

And check the Alexa stats for the 12ClicksCash individual sites...

12xbigcocks: 464,844

12xwives: 1,402,157

12xlesbians: 1,401,387

12xinterracial: 2,144,543

12xamateur: 1,416,311

12xeighteen: 1,130,809

12xasian: 1,218,381

12xgangbang: 730,220

12xanal: 1,600,269

12xblowjobs: 291,681

12xtranny: 1,070,900

12xhardcore: 1,401,784

12xcoeds: No Data

12xmovies: 649,293 (down 204,809)

What's up with that?!?

If you are an affiliate making money with 12ClicksCash, let's hear about it...

To put it in perspective, I am an independent (neither a Sponsor or Affiliate), and I have done no marketing for a week - my Alexa stats:

AsianDivaGirls.com: 68,081 (up 21,901)

ADG

KinkyDollars pays 60% on all upsells Click Here for more money

hahaha, oh no! not alexa stats again.

you clowns crack me up. adg, I guess you'll be in vegas? I missed you in LA my last few trips out, phoenix last couple of times, tampa, miami, vegas this summer. where were you?

airlines wouldn't take your alexa stats and actually wanted money I'll bet.
but magically I can fly around the country making all the shows and the airlines took my imaginary money that I'm not making with the program.:1orglaugh


hahaha, only on the internet can chatboard heros pretend to be somebody.

The irony of this is making me laugh too much. Stop it before I spill my tea.

bummmmmmmmmmppppppppppppppppp !

Those bastards at Alexa make everything up! :mad:

They probably made those stats up about your sites... :upsidedow

Yeah, I'll be in Vegas, and I was in LA several times this year, and at the Vegas show last summer (BFD), however, as I mentioned, I am neither a Sponsor or Affiliate, so I get marginal value from attending most shows.

Instead, I focus on traveling around the country, and flying models here, to shoot exclusive content which converts nicely and gets me decent Alexa numbers, even though I have never kicked them back a dime or done anything to artificially inflate my numbers.

Anyway, you are obviously "somebody" based upon your insulting and condescending attitude towards others, and your attendance at numerous adult events, and I am nobody since I spend most of my time shooting exclusive content and profitably marketing my sites.

I guess I would lash out at people too if I had Alexa stats like yours...it's much easier than explaining such dismal numbers. :winkwink:

ADG

well there are other sites with 83. when that happens, latest reviews are shown towards the top. you should request an update to yours, its dated 2006 :)

I am no one as far as you're concerned and as far as you will ever know. And one of your biggest problems is the fact that you think you're better than people you don't even know. But I knew that with your bullshit business philosophy of fucking your "employees". Those stats previously posted are a direct result of your shitty attitude to the people sending you traffic.

Been seeing ALOT of this lately and been talking to a few people about it. Things will change soon ;)

lol, I had just finished watching the Leafs get CRUSHED by the 30th place team in the NHL... I think that's why I was a little surly :winkwink:

Programs do acquire their own traffic... but that's a whole other discussion.

Obviously affiliates want to generate as much revenue as possible from their traffic, I was just stating my opinion on upsells in members areas.

It may seem that I'm "anti-affiliate", but that's certainly not the case, as the hundeds of people who work with me directly can attest to, and as pointed out in my previous, less controversial posts.

If you were someone, I'd know it. You're not. You're simply some small time clown who wants to be a chat board big shot.
Son, my affiliates are treated just fine. Its only losers like yourself who have a problem.

but please, prattle on. I've been here for 10 years because you're right and I'm wrong.:1orglaugh

I'm sure you're proud of your meaningless alexa rankings but as someone who's owned a top 200 Alexa site, I'm far more an authority on its accuracy and its value in $s than you are. But you go on and hang your hat on those numbers. We all have to find something to be proud of.

for me, in business, its only ever been about $$:thumbsup

Yeah, right! :1orglaugh

Spin it however you want, these are the actual Alexa numbers for your sites (either Alexa is lying, or you are skimming off traffic that they, and your affiliates, can't detect):

ADG

One thing I will say is that there is very little correlation.. if any.. between alexa rankings and site revenue / profit / traffic. If you're trying to make some kind of a point.. using Alexa rankings as your data isn't exactly a solid foundation.

don't burst his bubble! he's feeling important.:winkwink:

so, what I'm getting from this thread is:
revshare program owners aren't allowed to monetize their income through upsells, cross sales, etc. but PPS programs are?

If a revshare program owner pays out 60% on revshare sales, why is it a forgone conclusion that part of that 60% payout doesn't account for cross sales, upsells, etc.?

What if I open a revshare program and figure, "hey, I'm going to have cross sales and upsells, so instead of 50%, I'll payout 60%"? Does that mean I'm a shaving sonofabitch?

Anyone who classifies cross sales as shaving obviously doesn't realize where their high PPS partially comes from.

But, hey, feel free to only promote CCBill.

Actually, you are the one acting all self-important, with your numerous insults of anybody that challenges your reasoning or magnificence.

Perhaps your actual traffic is higher - in that case, if I were one of your affilitates, I would be wondering why the traffic is not showing up on Alexa.

Perhaps it is being siphoned off elsewhere...this is a thread about shaving, right? :warning

Sure, that's why Alexa is used as a trusted independent measure for major advertising dollars spent by numerous large corporations. They obviously don't know anything about revenue, profit or traffic, unlike you.

I do agree though, that it is amazing that my small independent site far outranks all of 12Clicks sites.

Things that make you go hmm. :1orglaugh

Keep spinning guys...

ADG

There's no spin, smart-ass. The fact that your small independent website far outranks most of 12clicks' sites.. and in fact probably outranks alot of DM and Python.com sites too should tell you EXACTLY HOW MEANINGLESS THE ALEXA RANKINGS ARE, since I know how big of a company we are and how small of one you are.

Sorry man, I don't want to be a dick - but there's nothing more annoying then people making stupid ass comments like:

"Things that make you go hmm. :1orglaugh"

implying that you are clever and have 'figured something out'.

I would guess by the replies here that whatever takes from the intial sale and recurring is a no-no, since that directly effect the affiliate bottomline... however I guess that once the member is cancelled, then he is yours to monetize, because the action of the member is no longer effecting the intial deal you had with the affiliate, which was for the intial sale and recurrings?

or I could just be rambling :1orglaugh

PS... if you are gonna start throwing around shaving allegations you better have some proof (and not just alexa rankings).

So here's a :warning for you - I would start 'spinning' the highlighted comment above in your favour pretty quickly... and I don't care if the comment wasn't directed towards me, no one who works for or owns a program has to put up with baseless allegations or insinuations.

Sorry to annoy you.

"Things that may you go hmm", are things that make one ask questions.

Such as, if Alexa stats are so meaningless, then why do so many major corporations use them in making multi-million dollar advertising decisions?

The only people I have heard berate Alexa to the extent that you have, are adult sponser programs. Why is that?

And, if 12Clicks is not doing anything to manipulate traffic, then why would my small company have a higher traffic ranking, even without utilizing an affiliate program?

ADG

answer this then steve

name one revshare program that has actually calculated a fair value of all the cross-sales, upsells etc in terms of a revshare % payout. my guess is that they'd have to pay way above 60% and the majority of revshare programs don't even pay that much

I know there are terms and conditions, and I know there are different models, but that really comes down to, do they shave openly?


ALSO, Add in: when a user's credit card either maxes or expires, the surfer then inputs another credit card after typing in the url, and joins again.

Does the affiliate get credit??



Moocash doesn't shave. PERIOD. It takes a lot of effort to make sure webmasters get credit for life, but isn't that what you expect???

fair value to who? who decides what a fair value is?

Time to bring back an old, but still relevent, rant...

SPONSORS WANTED:

I'd like to find someone who will recruit hot new 18 year old girls that are willing to model nude, then pay her and take her pictures, then update her website regularly and host it on a super reliable, ultrafast server. Also, you'll need to buy lots of extra picture and video content so I won't lose a rebill too soon. Can you also make sure I get credit if my signup quits but comes back later as a typein?

I'd also like you to cover all the legal expenses, processing costs, and pay the visa registration fees. But don't send me a 1099, I don't want all that tax liablility!

I'd like you to provide full page ads, banners (odd-sizes work best for me), and maybe even agree to pay my hosting bill. And I'll need lots of free content. Not the same free content you give everyone, I need new exclusive content just for me. I'll need hosted picture and movie galleries too, on a fast server. Can your hottest girl make me a fansign? I want to tell all my buddies I fucked her! Better yet, can I just have sex with her first, to see if she's worthy of my traffic?

On your free content, don't write your url anywhere. and don't put too many ads on them, my surfers don't like ads. Can you submit all your newest hosted galleries to all the TGPS with my affiliate code for me?

I'd like you to throw huge parties where I can drink myself silly, while I oggle your hot girls and generally make an ass of myself. I'm gonna need a rug to put out my cigarette on. And a wall to kick a hole in. I get silly sometimes.

I want you to take me to strip clubs, and I want you to buy me lapdances all night long. If I host a convention, I'll expect you to sponsor it (and if there aren't enough of naked chicks, I'm going to tell everyone it was a sausage fest!)

I'll need you to buy a banner spot and post regularly on my obscure message board.

I want you to do all that for no more than 40% of the net revenue that her site generates. I don't want a minimum payout, send me a check for 25 cents if I earned it. Instant payouts would be best, I don't like to wait for my money. I don't care if you have to, thats your problem.

I might even ask you to prepay me even if I can't get her site to convert. And you can pay me by check, but I tend to lose them, so you'll need to be willing to re-issue the ones I lose. But going to the bank is such a hassle, could I just have a wire instead? You'll need to eat the wire fees. Or Epassporte, can you set me up with an account? I don't want to pay for it though, so just add their fees to my payout too, ok?

Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that I'm going to accuse you of shaving and cheating if I can't convert any traffic at 1:500 or better. If you are a day late on my payment, I will publicly crucify you. And I'm gonna need a constant supply of new sites from you, I get tired of looking at the old ones after a couple weeks.

And you better not take a day off, if I try to icq you and you are not there within a few minutes, I'm dropping my links! And no matter how few sales I send, I expect you to drop everything and talk to me as long as I want. I'll need lots of advice and support, you don't mind do you?

I want reward points and christmas cards are nice too. Fly me to a convention and pay for my room. But it better be a suite, I need space. Give me bonuses and prizes. And hookers, lots of 'em. Don't forget I'll also need a non-expiring password to your sites too for "educational" purposes. When I promote your site, I want to be able to say anything to the surfer to make a sale, I don't care if its true or not, pleasing the surfer is your problem.

I'm gonna need a cool baseball jersey customized with my name and favorite number on the back...

And no matter what you do for me, I might just decide to try someone else's program for a while, cuz you are probably making too much money anyway on typeins and upsells... And if you get someone else pushing your sites, I'm going to drop you completely, because then you'll be "over saturated".

Oh yeah, and you are gonna need lots of sites, and I want to be paid on sales to all of them from your exits. Better yet, I'll require no-console linking codes, cuz I hate popups. But don't even think about paying me less for my joins. And FUCK crosssells, unless I'm paid for those too.

You'll need to join the lawsuit against Acacia, I don't care how much it costs. But if you settle, I'll tear you apart on the boards and recommend that everyone boycotts you. Can you cover my membership to FSC too?

And I want to lump you in with all the scammers and scumballs that have ever made money on the net. I don't care if you are honest, I have to blame someone for a bad week, and its gonna be you.

Oh yeah, and for your 40%, I want to be able to break my promises anytime, I really don't want you to be able to rely on me. I'll send you traffic when I fucking feel like it. But if you break one of YOUR promises to ME, I'll drop you and move on. Actually, I'll just move on anyway, cuz my attention span is short, and there is always someone willing to do more for me than you.

fair value with respect to the advertised %... if i join a program that says: we split revenues 60/40 but if you take the $$$ the sponsor is making with all the upsells, cross-sales, etc and it actually represents 80%, its obviously not fair to the affiliate.

Ray, you've been an affiliate of ours for about 5 years and we've paid you thousands and thousands of dollars. You already know the answer to the question. We don't credit ACH sales for lots of reasons but we factor their value into the PPS that affiliates receive.

Do you understand the behavior of ACH? How long the settlement times are? the %age of sales that ACH represents? the %age of transactions that actually do setlle? Our goal is to provide our affiliates with easiest way to make the highest PPS possible. I won't respond to any more of your posts, if your implication is that we set out to deceive our affiliates, you're wrong.

when hairy met sally :1orglaugh