Classy response, shows how much they value their affiliates too to publicize it here for us so quickly.

I thought professionalism was reserved for other industries? :winkwink:

So chad, can we at least get the whole movie? Throw us a frickin bone here! ;) Some of us wanna spank our monkeys y'know

:thumbsup

That chick looks like a pretty hot slut. Would be worth it seeing her asshole getting rigged :pimp

There was no second shoot. After the shoot, the model returned to the talent office and was then driven to the airport.

Socks, we ALL enjoy that!!!

But this video was shot YESTERDAY. We need a little time to edit, encode, upload -- you know the drill! But in the meantime, I guess this is as good a time as any to mention that you can sign up as an affiliate at

www.kinkydollars.com

and start promoting Kink.com websites.


<shameless self promotion>

Thanks Chad...I will seriously consider you if I should ever need representation. :thumbsup

As I stated earlier in this thread, I have heard nothing but good things about Kink, but since the issue was raised, I felt it deserved a definitive answer, which you appear to have delivered.

For anyone else shooting extreme content, you may want to consider following Kink's practice of shooting post-scene interviews. :2 cents:

BTW, I'm too squemish to look at the hardcore stuff, but I enjoyed the blog portions of the site, particulary the post of Peter's mother doing sculpture. Kudos to the Kink designers for their aesthetics and good design.

ADG

Hello GFY!

I admit to being more of an entertained reader when visiting GFY rather than an active member but when I came across this post, I couldn't move on without adding my own bit in there just because it hit a mark.

I've worked with Kink.com steadily for the last 4 years as both a submissive(as Kayden was in this shoot) and as a domina(as her interviewer, Isis Love was in the shoot), have probably around 100 shoots under my belt with them and have never had such an experience as described in the initial post of this thread. I've first hand experience with the process from the moment a model steps into the building, to the rights that we have as models, implementation of safewords both gagged/ungagged, and basically the whole run of how shoots are conducted from start to finish and can safely say that ChadKnowsLaw is correct. Kink.com, is highly respectable of models in every way.

There have been some situations in which models from agencies would show up to the shoot without the slightest clue as to what the shoot would entail because of poor communication with their agents or what have you. Before the shoot even begins, before a model is even on set, the paperwork each model has to read and sign states that there will be possible levels of physical pain by means of say, electro stimulation, anal penetration, slapping of body parts, being tied up with ropes or metal and so forth, and all must be initialed. Now lets say a model skimmed through the paperwork and didn't bother to read its notation of all these possible situations, he/she still has a verbal discussion of limits as aforementioned by ChadKnowsLaw before you even get into wardrobe and then again after that on set before you're even interviewed. Then on top of all that, during the shoot breaks models are continuously asked if things are going and a pace that they can manage or if something isn't ok with them, or what they'd like more of. This process doesn't change no matter how many times you've worked with them. I know...as I said, I've gone through it nearly 100 times already as each director of Kink.com does not assume my limits or comfort level to be the same as the last time I shot with them as people change and Kink.com takes this into consideration for everyone's safety.

So in my experiences in which girls were clueless because of agencies not sharing with them the nature of the shoot, I've witness models either saying, no thank you and the day is cut short. I've been there when it intrigued them enough to give BDSM a taste and them using their safeword in the very first scene if it just wasn't their cup of tea without anyone having any sort of problem with ending it when safeword was either said or grunted. I've been there when they weren't aware of the nature of the sites prior to shooting, they shoot, and return over and over as I've done. Not once over the last 4 years have I ever had, or come to know of any other model through first hand experience, state that they've been treated in any unprofessional manner as Ricky Dynamite has posted.

I've used my safeword on several shoots myself for various reasons with the quickest success in being released from whatever was uncomfortable and having whatever temporary discomfort immediately rectified for me to either continue or me just calling it a day. My limits have always been respected and my rights never violated. I've the highest regard for Kink.com's work ethic and professionalism and find it very troubling for anyone to accuse Kink.com of doing anything of the like, especially since everything is always documented through paper, photos, and videos to continuously insure that our rights as models are taken seriously and handled with the utmost respect and care.

In regards to the post interview and there being speculation of a second part to that shoot, just take a look at the shooting calendar on Kink.com's sites. There isn't another shoot on the books for that day with Kayden so it never happened. Seemed to me that Isis Love was just putting an opening out there for Kayden to come back and play more since there seemed to have been a good enough rapport. Models aren't fed lines in the interviews, we're free to say exactly what we thought of the shoot and she still would've made her check regardless of what she'd say post shoot.

Unfortunate to read the initial post, but hopefully this helps to shine light back on to Kink.com's great name as I just don't find it at all possible that what was written could be true. And I too, find it strange that someone would post a warning to talent under the GFY webmaster board. Seems all it'll do is bump the name up for more promo interest anyway...highly suspect! I'll continue to whore out their good clean name because I know first hand that they're good for it.

Thanks for the read!
DragonLily

Great post Dragon Lily! :thumbsup

You should participate here more often...

ADG

Thanks ADG! I think forum posting is the only place in my life in which I can say I've been shy or unsocialable, but I suppose this was a big enough push for me to start typing and logging in again instead of lurking.

guys you must understand, if your girlfriend would of come home fucked silly in the ass (not to mention she came a few times) and a little bruised from the ropes wouldn't you be pissed too?

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Kink in general. You can promote other BDSM sites out there, but they're often generic looking with oversaturated content. One thing I noticed about the BDSM market, the surfers are real educated on whats out there. You can't slip past them a cookie-cutter site.

The average member so far has stayed 2.3 months (only been pushing about 6 months). It comes out to $37.43 per member so far. Those numbers are by far some of the best I've seen of late from a paysite in such a short period of time. They do some good cross-sells between their sites that you get credit for as well.

Safewords are for pussies

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...us/FOLIAGE.gif

ADG

That interview puts an end to this thread and to the cunt who made the first post.

I for one am signing up to promote this site now. Thanks for the post :thumbsup

Dragon Lily, where's pics of your boobs :thumbsup

PS - Kink = best adult company ever. Original poster is a joke...

Great response Chad

Seriously what the fuck does she think is going to happen shooting for kink?! If she can't handle that have her go do softcore for Max Hardcore or something

not pointing a finger or choosing sides... but what makes people think that just because a company is big that they follow the rules? do names like Michael Vick, Martha Stewert and Enron ring any bells?

why not consider it in another light? people with more money have more to lose but in the same light having more to lose means you have more to waste, ie: paying big fines and shit. if you were making a million a day and had to pay $25k a day out in fines. you'd keep doing it right? shit most of the people on this board would keep doing it if they were making $26k a day and had to pay $25k of it back.

It's different in a lot of ways Why.

The people you mentioned did things in their personal lives that contradicted their normal business ethics, for personal gain or some sort.

This instance would be doing something for their business that completely runs cross-ways to what the company is about.

Like... Martha Stewart doing a TV show with a poison recipe.. Or Michael Vick slipping in an exploding football into the game or something.. :)

I don't see them making more money from abusing one of their models at all, I think it's the opposite. I think this thread is clear indication that their customers, affiliates and business partners like their clearcut policies, like that they treat models with dignity, and want to do more business with them because of it.

Not suggesting you saw that either, just saying in this case it doesn't make sense, as their reputation is everything. Abusing women is not good business in this business.

Also it should be noted that the customer base of Kink and someone like Max Hardcore are probably not the same pool.

Kink has a strong rep with models and has handled themselves very professionally. I m very impressed, if I never saw one of their banners on a tube site full of ripped content I might even like them.That interview footage means nothing really. The girl wants to get paid for the shoot she is going to say what has to be said to get the check or cash etc.

100 kinky shoots

That is why I don't promote niches I am not readily familiar with. I know balloons sell, but as my knowledge of why is so limited, I leave it to the pros.

Your smart, I feel the same way.

If you want to reconcile both accounts of this story, perhaps hypnosis and the Stockholm Syndrome need to be taken into account. Doublethink is pervasive these days, the ability to hold 2 completely different points of view at the same time.

i missed the part that proved the model with the problem is the model in the video, but i'd be surprised if anything she claimed in that was fully true

I wish kink would send me my fucking money as fast as they replied to this post about a coked up slut.

Oh well, every shoot can't be perfect.

Kink seems pretty responsible, from what I know of the company.

My penis is still waiting patiently for that full length video.... ;)

:thumbsup

Hey mhende6600 the payments went out today. Hit me up if you have any questions. You will be seeing your money very soon!

Terry
Kink.com
ICQ: 410353788
YM: trmfremont2005

Yes, it's called a 'safe word'... Which many people have talked about on here.

Looks a little bit like fake drama to present kink's core values and their professionalism. I am studying marketing and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a nice marketing campaign. Anyway, we will never know :)

Looks like you get a F on this homework.

If a company like Kink was looking for publicity or drama, this would be the last way to go about it.

Buying the Armory building in SF and announcing they were going to use it as a studio and possible try to convert it for use as an event venue is publicity; having someone claim that they've gone over the line with a model is a near criminal claim.

I have no idea of what actually took place during this shoot as I wasnt there,so cant comment.

As a performer/director who works in the same field as Kink (work admired very much) I would like to give some basic insights into what happens on our shoots.

Firstly,all performers are told many times that a safe word will be used to stop everything ,code red seems common in the biz.
Should a performer say red or code red it means something is wrong and anything taking place needs to be halted immediatly.
Safe codes are used due to the fact that crying,screaming and verbal abuse are part of the plot(example stop your hurting me master)and this code is how we know the performer means what they are saying.
Of course if the person is bound gagged etc we use other methods.

I also have situations involving guys and some girls that like pain too much and are a possible danger to themself,so even using codes I have a pro BDSM Master of 20 years on the set watching everything and if he feels it has reached a limit,he will halt production no matter how good its looking.

Everyone here is trained and told what will take place in great detail,it is not uncommon for performers to have lumps/bumps,whip marks etc after filming its the nature of the job.

Summary.

BDSM and simlar subject matter is very complex work requiring staff and people you wouldnt normally find on the average porn set.
It requires great skill and observation at all times,I have watched almost everything KinK has ever produced and it seems very highly organised(although I mention again this is not related to this incident and in fact I have never worked with them)comments are based on all the behind the scene filming etc.

I hope this has given some readers an insight to how life is in the fetish world :thumbsup

Well, I have seen several people stating in this thread that they want to sign up as affiliates now. Moreover this guy who started this thread did not reply anymore. Publicity is publicity, even bad publicity is still publicity, see Paris Hilton.
Just my theory, of course it must not hold true but could be possible.

Interesting drama... What I really find interesting though is Kink's response to this given they claim they're in the lifestyle and have a clear understanding of these types of things... Assuming this model is inexperienced, I find it somewhat unprofessional of Kink to have her experience intense S&M for their videos that she's never gone thru before and then expect her to actually remember and verbalize a safe word.. Anyone that's done this sort of thing KNOWS that many times the girl will be so caught up in the rush of emotions and intense feelings/sensations she's experiencing that she barely even knows where she is, especially if she reaches that "sub space" la la land... It's up to the dominant to be able to read her body language (something difficult to do with first timers) and pause to query her on occasion...

The "interview" afterwards is also a joke... Again, anyone that knows anything about this stuff knows that she's still "high" from adrenaline etc. so that of course she'd say she loved it etc. Kink would know that.. What better time to interview someone to ensure there's no law suits later... When you take someone inexperienced and put them thru an intense session, it's expected that a respectable "dominant" will provide "after care" to the girl... Not the same day but over the week following the session... It's not until she's home and sees the bruises that start to show up and turn black and blue etc. that the reality of what she's gone thru hits her and she can actually see it on her body...

Regardless, I can see how this sort of thing can easily take place and I'm sure there's fault on both sides.

Ricky Dynamite he has a good answer to your post what can you say??

On Shooting BDSM.....
 

Very interesting thread on a lot of levels, so I thought, as one of the veterans of the bdsm content industry, I'd add my two cents....

First off, kudos to Chad and the Kink team for handling this issue so promptly and professionally. You have a great organization and it really shows when issues come up.

Shooting BDSM is a very different thing than the rest of adult erotica. The first and most obvious difference is that the entire goal of each scene is to produce pain and psychological/emotional submission. Sure, sometimes there is sexual activity, but the true heart and soul of a bdsm scene lies within the psychodrama of what we call "Erotic Power Exchange".

This can lead to some occasional difficulties when working with models and actresses that are not "into" the bdsm scene. These can range from not being able to leave any marks on the model because she is booked the next day for a glamour shoot, to discovering on the first spank that she has very little pain tolerance and really is not a good candidate for performing a realistic bdsm scene. And then there is the emotional issue. Models with little experience in bdsm play can at times have deep feelings, often stemming from childhood experiences, come up when being punished or humiliated in a scene.

For these reasons, over the past 12 years of shooting for Wasteland, we have always tended to work with "lifestyle" bdsm players that know exactly what they are doing, and enjoy every minute of it.

My advise to any new folks that are planning on producing bdsm content is:
1. Hire a very experienced Dom or Domina to "run" the scene. This is critical, as he or she will know the protocol, and have the experience of how to best work with a submissive for maximum effect;
2. When hiring submissives, try to recruit from within the bdsm community, as well as models that specialize in this sort of activity. This will go a long way in minimizing "surprises" during shooting, as well as get the most intense performance footage for your library.
3. With those two assets in place, scene planning, negotiation, establishing limits and safewords and the rest of the bdsm protocol fall into place very nicely and pretty much guarantees a successful experience for everyone.

Cheer to all,
Colin at Wasteland

It was mentioned somewhere earlier in the thread that this was models 3rd or 4th shoot with Kink.

Kink is a great company with a great set of sites!