AVN: NATS/TMM Breached for More Than a Year

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  • TheDoc
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jul 2001
    • 13827

    #76
    Originally posted by minusonebit
    When NATS was sold to the industry, it was pitched as tool to keep the program owners honest by stopping shaving.
    And he is correct and Webmasters still have that trust.

    Originally posted by minusonebit
    Hey, trust US. We have YOUR best interests at heart. We wont let you bring in an independent third party to audit our code to prove this, but we do. You don't wanna get shaved, do you? What? You still don't believe us?
    You are being a little single minded.. Think of it like this. If I posted my ProgramA was breached and your data 'could' have been post, I won't lose any webmasters, even after it's posted on GFY. However, if someone posted a shaver script with screenshots in my program, I would lose most of my Webmasters and Clients.

    Huge difference in trust with these things, I think people trust the program for data security, not the software.


    Originally posted by minusonebit
    By proxy, this means they likely already have a bad reputation and everyone knows who to stay away from anyway.
    You would think that.. You really would, but honestly people got fucked by Ibill for like 2 years afterwards. People don't care, don't listen, it's all about the greenbacks. And some of the biggest programs are scamming freaks but are loved by Webmasters.

    It's a crazy business.
    ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
    It's all disambiguation

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    • minusonebit
      So Fucking Banned
      • Feb 2006
      • 7391

      #77
      Originally posted by TheSenator
      I wonder how much NATS is paying their lawyers to read GFY print outs?
      I'd worry more about the number of trees that are dying to print out GFY. Hell, I have already gone through a set of toner and six reams of paper on this mess.

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      • SmokeyTheBear
        ►SouthOfHeaven
        • Jun 2004
        • 28609

        #78
        Originally posted by Robbie
        Damn Smokey...I didn't realize how fucking stupid I am. And how smart you are.
        there you go exaggerating again , i never claimed you were stupid nor that i was smart.
        Originally posted by Robbie
        Who are you again? And what do you run?
        if you asked me politely and it had anything to do with the conversation then i might tell you, but seeing as how it doesnt have a single thing to do with this thread i won't..

        Originally posted by Robbie
        And what site were you the admin for NATS with?
        alot of questions. what do any of these questions have to do with the facts as i have laid them out.
        Originally posted by Robbie
        I'm not asking that in a mean spirit.
        then don't ask in such a rude fashion



        Originally posted by Robbie
        But since you know so much more about the internet than I do,
        your words not mine..
        Originally posted by Robbie
        I just wanted to know who I'm talking to.
        my name is above each post.
        Originally posted by Robbie
        You can offer your opinions all day long.
        the difference is my opinion is based on facts that any nats employee can verify.

        Originally posted by Robbie
        Show me how successful you are by identifying yourself so I can know how much weight your opinions hold.
        i could give a fuck less if you don't believe facts

        Originally posted by Robbie
        I have told you what the reality is.
        that a server going down 15 times in a day is "bringing a server to its knees" ?

        That you think running a nats database on a slow server would have no effect on the functionality of your sites as long as they are on a sep server ?

        that you don't understand how someone having the master nats password list is a serious breach ?




        Originally posted by Robbie

        You can continue to make conjectures 'til the cows come home and it doesn't mean anything my friend.

        anyone can simply verify my facts with nats or anyone with experience in the nats admin

        Originally posted by Robbie
        I see things differently if you don't mind.
        i dont mind if you see things incorrectly

        Originally posted by Robbie
        I see the whole situation as me being responsible for myself. I don't need NATS to tell me that my shit is being broken into.
        and most everyone else feels differently

        Originally posted by Robbie
        I didn't expect some third party rental software to give me answers.
        answers about why they lost the master password list used to view all your nats info

        i sure hope any affiliates arent reading that ..

        Originally posted by Robbie
        maybe one of a handful who have been around longer than me,
        i had a porn site before the internet started

        [QUOTE=Robbie;13595389]
        My solution is FIX THE PROBLEM.
        [/quoter]

        we are on the same path , just my idea of fixing is to make sure you have isolated the problem first

        Originally posted by Robbie
        .
        If nobody wants to promote NATS sites. More power to you. If you're scared that some hacker is going to steal your info...I don't blame you one bit.
        Originally posted by Robbie
        I wish everyone else lots of fortune in 2008 and keep a positive, productive attitude and be prosperous.
        Later guys...
        hatisblack at yahoo.com

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        • Robbie
          Leaner, Meaner, Faster
          • Aug 2002
          • 20960

          #79
          Smokey there was no "Master Nats password list" There was ONE LOGIN that they used to do maintenance on everybodies NATS setup. And since you are a former NATS employee I have no idea why I am having to explain this...especially since it's already been said 1,000 times in other posts.
          Having a single user/pass for them to log in and do upgrades etc. wasn't such a great idea.
          A worse idea was all of us who didn't delete that user in the beginning, before anything happened. Leaving it on there is totally optional. And a LOT of program owners did NOT leave that on there and were NOT hacked. A lot were. We were one of the ones who were slack. Not the stupid NATS program. They had a flaw...we didn't protect ourselves by realizing it...
          But again...YOU ARE INCORRECT....THERE WAS NO MASTER PASSWORD LIST. Every post you make like that shows your true knowledge of this particular situation. Damn...
          -Robbie
          ClaudiaMarie.Com

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          • Robbie
            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
            • Aug 2002
            • 20960

            #80
            Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
            i had a porn site before the internet started
            -Robbie
            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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            • commonsense
              So Fucking Banned
              • Feb 2007
              • 1790

              #81
              Originally posted by BoyAlley

              I would say at this point it might very well be a question of "how many affiliates would they gain".
              They wouldn't gain a single affiliate that could make a sale by switching

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              • SmokeyTheBear
                ►SouthOfHeaven
                • Jun 2004
                • 28609

                #82
                Originally posted by Robbie
                Smokey there was no "Master Nats password list"

                There was ONE LOGIN that they used to do maintenance on everybodies NATS setup
                so what , all that makes it is even more ridiculous, what does it matter if one password was compromised or all of them were.


                Originally posted by Robbie
                And since you are a former NATS employee I have no idea why I am having to explain this.
                add that onto the list of lies/"exaggerations" you have made

                Originally posted by Robbie
                Having a single user/pass for them to log in and do upgrades etc. wasn't such a great idea.
                understatement of the year

                Originally posted by Robbie
                A worse idea was all of us who didn't delete that user in the beginning, before anything happened.
                and even worse you werent told to do so.

                Originally posted by Robbie
                THERE WAS NO MASTER PASSWORD LIST.
                you are wrong , there is a master password list , there MAY have only been one username with access to sponsors and one used to hack the data , but this is a rather trivial point and such a silly thing to quibble about.. you rant on for pages and your only comeback is " there is no master password list" , if your bank account was hacked would you care if one password was used or 2 ?
                hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                • SmokeyTheBear
                  ►SouthOfHeaven
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 28609

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Robbie

                  shows how much you know , you should do some research before you scoff, many of us aren't young uns, there was lots of porn sites well before the internet
                  hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                  • TheDoc
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jul 2001
                    • 13827

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                    This is the greatest fucking post I have read all year..and this is GFY.com TheDoc: I love you and and my Dad says John is a pimp!
                    I have gota start making more crazy posts like this.. I have never had more publicity or fun over a comment. Oh wait, that isn't true the post(s) about Review Sites is still my fav.
                    ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
                    It's all disambiguation

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                    • TheSenator
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 13340

                      #85
                      Originally posted by minusonebit
                      I'd worry more about the number of trees that are dying to print out GFY. Hell, I have already gone through a set of toner and six reams of paper on this mess.

                      I wonder how much the retainer fee is and if they already blew through it with printing out GFY threads.

                      "For June 1, 2006 to May 31, 2007 the rates are as follows: 20+ years of experience, $425 per hour; 11-19 years, $375; 8-10 years, $305; 4-7 years, $245; 1-3 years, $205; and Paralegals/law clerks $120"
                      ISeekGirls.com since 2005

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                      • buzzy
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2007
                        • 2606

                        #86
                        THe guys at MPA3 seem really nice and patient, where as John from nats seems like the evilchris type of guy, don't get me wrong this is just from observing the drama that goes on but from an honest opinion from the outside even though I agree minusonebit is a retard, John isn't handling this well at all.

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                        • marketsmart
                          HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 20419

                          #87
                          I am amazed at all the responses here. The "BRO CLUB" is deep...

                          all i can say is that if i lost any data, (email, personal, members, etc) due to a 3rd party application, i would be pretty pissed off...

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                          • buzzy
                            Confirmed User
                            • May 2007
                            • 2606

                            #88
                            Originally posted by marketsmart
                            I am amazed at all the responses here. The "BRO CLUB" is deep...

                            all i can say is that if i lost any data, (email, personal, members, etc) due to a 3rd party application, i would be pretty pissed off...
                            Word, too much dick sucking going on here.

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                            • ServerGenius
                              Confirmed User
                              • Feb 2002
                              • 9377

                              #89
                              i've posted raw apache access logs of 6 months ago which showed the issue
                              has been on much longer than initially was assumed
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                              • borked
                                Totally Borked
                                • Feb 2005
                                • 6284

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Robbie
                                Smokey there was no "Master Nats password list" There was ONE LOGIN that they used to do maintenance on everybodies NATS setup. ...
                                YOU ARE INCORRECT....THERE WAS NO MASTER PASSWORD LIST.
                                You, sir, are so very very wrong on this point. JohnA even made a post to clarify this, but I can't be arsed to find it.

                                For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com
                                (consider figuring out the email as test #1)



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