FredIsMe

Over history we have used "science" to explain how we've come to be (only to destroy those theories later), but why can't we explain why we are here?

It's sad that our society takes the magic out of spirits/Gods and puts it into commodities (i.e. Starbucks coffee).

I'd rather compare myself with a God than another human being. Humans "appear" great on a quick glance, but when you get to know them they turn out to be like every other human being.

I'm worried about the future of a society who considers us just bodies. That is what happened in Nazi Germany. They wen't along with the Darwinist theory of "Only the strong survive!" and began exterminating those who never fit the "Superman" ideal.

We, as humans, are more than just a body. We are body AND spirit.

If you want to give up on the magic of Gods and spirits then fine. But don't be complaining when you're taken advantage of my the higher powers in our society.

Scott McD

I need another beer...

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notoldschool

I thought you were talking about dungeons and dragons because I started reading half way through your post. I got to stop doing that.

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xentech

Why are we here? This question makes me laugh, we don't have a purpose. YOU have to make the reason why you are here. YOU have to make your own purpose.

buzzy

Thanks man. You have solved the whole mystery of life, xentech of GFY, or Professor xentech.

FredIsMe

I'm asking as a WHOLE.

Why is the human species here? We "randomly" came into creation from a "big bang" billions of years ago? We evolved into having a "spritual" entity and emotions?

Sure, mainstream "science" can theorize anything to benefit themselves, but they still haven't explained the "Why?"

D

"Science" is but one of the many children of "Philosophy" (and, in fact, until the Renaissance, and a bit beyond, all science was considered "philosophy").

The questions you pose are of the enduring Philosophical questions: "What am I? What am I doing here? What is all this stuff around us all about?"

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xentech

Why does there have to be a why? I've never understood why people want to think we are here for a big purpose.

ShaveBucks

According to whom? What higher being told you that just because you can say "I am here" that you are somehow more important than any other form of life?
We're more intelligent. That's it. We have just as much spirit as a common house pet.

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mrwilson

I'm here because my mum ate the magic beans that my dad brought home from work.

FredIsMe

Well there is a saying that if you experienced "true" reality for 15 minutes then you'd kill yourself. People that continue to exist on this planet are deluded by something (i.e. power, wealth, sex, etc.). So shouldn't we find a "Why?" or just stay deluded?

D

You seem to have some sort of resentment to science.

In its essence, science exists to benefit knowledge. That's the whole reason it's here... purity in the method of acquiring true knowledge in our paradigm.

We also don't "destroy those theories later," as you put it earlier. Science works on a system of falsification - where a predominant theory exists until it is either disproven by making a prediction that did not come true or until it's expanded on by a more eloquent theory coming along that makes the same predictions the previous theory made and more. Theories -whether they pan out or not - build on knowledge.

The fact that, in science, everything is considered a "theory" alone should tell you a bit about "science" - as _nothing_ is considered definitive.

Until we answer those same enduring philosophical questions that you touched on, nothing can be taken at face value - and, again, in its essence, "Science" accepts that.

It's about knowledge. "Science" accepts there are things that it does not know... which is an important building block to understanding what we can know.

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ShaveBucks

So what you just said is:
If you experience it, you die.
If that's so, shouldn't we try to experience it?

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xentech

This is just stupid. Objectively perhaps we are deluded because in the grander scale of things we are nothing, but who gives a fuck about that? Subjectively all I care about is enjoying my life, im not gonna waste my time saying "UHHH WHY ARE WE HERE?" when I won't find the answer which almost certainly insn't there. People think humans are some special life form just because we are intelligent and communicate. But at the end of the day we are just biological beings like flys, fish, dogs, horses and the bacteria in your shit.

FredIsMe

Well said D, but don't you worry about the massive followers in the world who believe whatever science tells them? I would rather have a mass of Jesus worshippers, who believe in the good of man kind, then a mass of Darwin worshippers who believe that only the strong should survive ("strength" being determined by "expert" scientists, who are funded by corporations, mainstream media, and government).

FredIsMe

And how to you propose we should experience "it"?

ShaveBucks

That's not for me to answer for you. I'm just trying to figure what you said and why you think we should experience what we will die from.

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xentech

Do you think muslims believe in the good of man kind, when they are told to kill those who don't embrace islam?

D

I think, like most things regarding knowledge, it depends on individuals, and how they use the knowledge gained.

As was told to Socrates by the Oracle at Delphi, "Wisest is he who knows he does not know."

I think the dangers come when people assume that their little bit of knowledge takes them a lot further than it actually does - whether you're talking about knowledge derived from a religious text, or from the scientific method.

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xmas13

It's pretty simple.

The human is an animal.

Why is the human race here? To eat and fuck, and occasionally to kill/exterminate other humans and other animals.

Humans don't have spirit, it's a myth going along the whole religious thing, God, love and all this bullshit for children.

Fuck and eat, it's all you have to do, what's so fucking complicated?

The planet is overpopulated, this problem will be solved sooner or later. Want it or not, nuclear arsenals and other weapons of mass destruction will be used (again) in a not so distant future.

History will repeat itself over and over again and it's not going to change until we and/or Earth disappear or/and the planet is taken over by another dominant animal.

Truth hurts, i know.

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papill0n

Using religious terms to describe science is inappropriate and naive. It is the religious freaks that have the closest ties with mainstream media and governments not scientists.

buzzy

Are they? I've worked in many Muslim countries before (being in tourism) and that dosen't happen, where did you learn that? Bill O Reilly's fun hour?

papill0n

Well they probably don't openly broadcast it but fundamentalist Muslims tolerate no other religion.

buzzy

That's funny considering there are thousands of Jews happily living in Iran, the Israeli goverment even asked them if they wanted to move to Israel and they said no. Also my next door neighbor is a Muslim and I'm not, and i'm not dead yet.

xentech

Ofcourse that happens, it says it in the Qu'ran and alot of people believe it. Granted the majority of muslims do not agree with this. But there is a large ammount of muslims who believe every word of this and hate the west.

qxm

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GatorB

Unfortunately some humans, in fact most, just can't deal with the fact that we are just here. they always to find some purpose in our existence. You're here because your mommy and daddy fucked and he came inside your mothers vagina. At least back in ancient times they were ignorant of science and thus only had myths and gods to explain everything. Why people today still hang on to fairy tales is beyond me. Our world is like a 9 year old that still believes in Santa. Time to grow up.

buzzy

No mate lol. As part of my uni course for culture and tourism (back in the day) we had a religious sub section for a few terms and we had to study the books of the 4 major religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Hinduism) and as someone who has read the Quran (and the other books of the other 4 religions) from front to back I can tell you it dosen't say such thing, only in defense.

Don't just believe what you are told, investigate yourself and you will find everything is alot different than what it seems from the outside.

gornyhuy

You purpose is to create and experience the endless dancing variety of the world of form.

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Drake

We don't have a spirit. We're a sack of trillions of cells. I think science will reach to a point where we find that there is little validity to the concept of "free will". Our genes and the environment that we find ourselves in determines our choices. Beyond that, there isn't much else. Our general purpose seems similar to other animals - to survive and procreate (our ideas of love, our desire for companionship, and our pleasure centers - genitals -compel most of us to this end).

Religion can be used for good and bad just as ideologies can, and science too. I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it.