Why the fuck do affiliate programs put up with NATS or MPA3? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Damian_Maxcash · 12-28-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yeah, I know why you guys post in NATS threads.. Makes me laugh.

First day I have posted in any of the recent NATS threads....

What do you 'know'?

BoyAlley · 12-28-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian_Maxcash

First day I have posted in any of the recent NATS threads....

What do you 'know'?

Don't confuse him when he's got cock in his mouth.

Varius · 12-28-2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Yes all program owners know how easy THAT is to do.
And do it in 30 days? No sweat!

Since I don't know the particulars of either NATS or MPA3 I can't really comment on ease of portability to a new system....but that's something people should evaluate in their decision to use their own code or a 3rd-party software to begin with

Damian_Maxcash · 12-28-2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Don't confuse him when he's got cock in his mouth.

Wonder if would like to be content....

Validus · 12-28-2007, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Worst spam ever.

Just heard that it is easy to port from NATS to MPA3. Thats all!

I don't see spam in that statement.

BoyAlley · 12-28-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Validus

Just heard that it is easy to port from NATS to MPA3. Thats all!

I don't see spam in that statement.

TheDoc · 12-28-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Don't confuse him when he's got cock in his mouth.

Is a gay guy even allowed to toss out cock in mouth jokes? It's like me calling you straight and trying to make it funny.

Speaking of funny, a few posts back you called me a BRO.. A tear came to eye as I almost thought I was part of the group.

TheDoc · 12-29-2007, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Damian_Maxcash

First day I have posted in any of the recent NATS threads....

What do you 'know'?

I know all

.. and Nada - MaxCash is good program, made tons of money with ya back in the day. (trying to be BROish)

LiveDose · 12-29-2007, 12:32 AM

Going to sit right here.

venus · 12-29-2007, 01:17 AM

its not dominated by the 2 companies, it just that here on GFY its all about follow the other guy instead of thinking for yourself.

personally I think they are probably both good software but they are over priced if you want to buy it outright and it would be a cold day in hell when I would rent software and especially have something as important as affiliate software on someone elses server with them having access to it.

but there are lots of good affiliate software, most people here do not do their research, they just follow the other guy. Who knows why...

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

I really don't understand why this industry allows itself to be dominated by 2 companies, both of whom release a product with encrypted code, and both of whom have shown a propensity to dictate their will on people that use their software?

davebl · 12-29-2007, 02:20 AM

lets be honest sponsors use these programs to sell themselves to affiliates and show how trustworthy they are. they are a sales tool to affiliates and so long as affiliate believe a program with mp3 or nats is better than one without they will continue to sign up. the recent events with nats and tmm will serve as a warning to these affiliates. well the ones with decent traffic.

JD · 12-29-2007, 03:22 AM

i know I'll be going custom...

davebl · 12-29-2007, 03:39 AM

If you know any other options I am all ears and thanks in advance.

ccbill are testing a cascading billing system. free to users and they will pay affiliates the software they have today is good. why spend all that money on a affiliate program and tie yourself in there when you can spend it on the site.

NETbilling · 12-29-2007, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by teksonline

I don't think "great" is the word.. I can give design flaw scenerios about each of those software programs... and those can't be fixed without doing complete redesigns of the program which will never happen.

They are however easy to get started business apps that can make a small company become huge faster

Well I am not a programmer but do know that the clients that use the software mostly do very well with it and the software is feature rich and flexible.

NETbilling · 12-29-2007, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by davebl

If you know any other options I am all ears and thanks in advance.

ccbill are testing a cascading billing system. free to users and they will pay affiliates the software they have today is good. why spend all that money on a affiliate program and tie yourself in there when you can spend it on the site.

Hi,

With your own merchant account, we can handle all of the processing, scrubbing, and call center as well as set you up with a number of different programs. Please post here or contact our sales department if interested.

JFK · 12-29-2007, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Worst spam ever.

how about this one

davebl · 12-29-2007, 04:05 AM

Thanks for the input, but I have my own merchant account and I don't think CCbill would support that.

they did say that they will take you on even if they're not the primary biller. my advice is hit up doug on icq

ICQ Number : 68-622-974
Name: Douglas

latinasscash · 12-29-2007, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Why would it not be encoded? So your coders can screw it up, then ask for support 1000 times when things break? Or would that be so people more easily find exploits? Or not pay for it again when they duplicate it or share it?

It's encoded to protect it and everything has a price.

This makes absolutely no sense. What about the Linux OSs. They
are open source and charge a fee for maintenance and "value added"
features. If you change the code and screw things up, you pay to get
things back in order and/or a custom version of the code to fit your
needs.

Isn't this EXACTLY why so many people initially ran to Linux and all
the other *Nix OSs'. The so called "safety and freedom" of open source.
Oh yeah and it was free. Now folks know Unix is a better OS but it
took YEARS to get to that point.

The same applies to TONS of other apps now (Open Office as another
example and it standards compliant open document format). MS had no
choice but to meet the customers demand and conform to the standards
once the masses jumped aboard.

Anyway back to the main point. If everyone is complaining about NATS
and MAS, why doesn't some of the so called PHP gurus and other coders
on this board get together and come up with an open source alternative.

I am positive the donations will FLOOD IN for a free open source
alternative to these encoded products. I for one will donate as
much as NATS or MAS costs just to have the source and be free
to make changes as I choose.

I'll even get back into coder mode and join the effort!

Shoplifter · 12-29-2007, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

I don't make predictions often, but I predict this practice will come to an end if these guys don't start releasing source, and stop trying to dictate to their clients how they can or can not run their companies.

If they release the source it will promptly be "modified" by every shady fuck here.

In fact their software should be compiled with a checksum system in place to make sure it is not being modified by webmasters.

TheDoc · 12-29-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by latinasscash

Anyway back to the main point. If everyone is complaining about NATS and MAS, why doesn't some of the so called PHP gurus and other coders on this board get together and come up with an open source alternative.

I am positive the donations will FLOOD IN for a free open source
alternative to these encoded products. I for one will donate as
much as NATS or MAS costs just to have the source and be free
to make changes as I choose.

I'll even get back into coder mode and join the effort!

NATS/MPA3 aren't the only products on the market. I think plenty are open source, out of the box ready to go, and much cheaper too.

Linux is an OS, which requires you to have to great skill to work on, or pay someone to manage or pay a host/manage. You Pay to manage this "free" software that 1000's of others help create/clean up which created one insecure mess.

Linux is a great OS - don't get me wrong, but it for sure has had its world of problems with hacks and exploits.

I can script and I have a coder. I don't care that it's encoded because I already attach/modify and expand NATS in pretty much anyway that I can dream up. Having it encoded to me, means we can't break it. I don't pay monthly for nats. I only use support once or twice every few months, normally for questions. I have owned my own backend software/coders/admins, and mpa and nats..

I find my life to be very simple these days.... and I like it.

BoyAlley · 12-29-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter

If they release the source it will promptly be "modified" by every shady fuck here.

So? Any affiliate with half a brain should be looking at the reputation of the AFFILIATE PROGRAM not just the software that they use, when deciding who to do business with.

Anyone that's bought into this "you can't shave with nats" propaganda, and signs up with a program simply because they use it, is pretty damn naive.

3xTom · 12-29-2007, 10:05 AM

Just my 2 cents here

Others dictating what others do...
Well thats kind of the way of EVERY industry

not gonna stop here....

jcsike · 12-29-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

TheDoc, you do realize, that by sucking John Albright's cock non stop since this issue came up, you've lost any and all credibility right?

I mean, someone would have to be a pretty stupid dick at this point to put any weight to anything that comes from your keyboard from here on out.

I hope it was worth it Bro.

i have no idea why are you so condesecending to doc, he has good points that you just dance around. think about this

mpa3 and nats are on opposite sides, they have been bickering and picking at each other for years, they are not "friendly" competitors

that said, mpa3 feels threatened that nats will have an advantage over them because a) they will have more information about mpa3 (through segpay), which they can exploit somehow at some point, b) they bought a processor, they are getting a tactical advantage over mpa3, c)segpay has very little market share, and this will slightly discourage use of segpay/nats

yes, mpa3 knows people are going to bitch, yes, they may lose a client or 2 on this, they are willing to feel the brunt of that.

jcsike · 12-29-2007, 10:14 AM

i guess my point is everyone is bitching about mpa3 "restricting" the industry. but from a businessmans standpoint, they are making the rare decisoin that may cost them business in the short term, but is a better long term play.

jcsike · 12-29-2007, 10:15 AM

and all of the comments about compiling the code.

why would you build expensive software thats worth a lot of money, and not protect your interests in any which way you could.

this is busines, not charity, i would expect posts like that from tony404

notoldschool · 12-29-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by davebl

If you know any other options I am all ears and thanks in advance.

ccbill are testing a cascading billing system. free to users and they will pay affiliates the software they have today is good. why spend all that money on a affiliate program and tie yourself in there when you can spend it on the site.

I cant speak for everyone but I would say its because they dont want to have to use CCBill as their primary.

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12-29-2007, 02:20 AM	#61
davebl Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 17	lets be honest sponsors use these programs to sell themselves to affiliates and show how trustworthy they are. they are a sales tool to affiliates and so long as affiliate believe a program with mp3 or nats is better than one without they will continue to sign up. the recent events with nats and tmm will serve as a warning to these affiliates. well the ones with decent traffic. __________________ Programmers do it to a script.

12-29-2007, 03:39 AM	#63
davebl Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 17	If you know any other options I am all ears and thanks in advance. ccbill are testing a cascading billing system. free to users and they will pay affiliates the software they have today is good. why spend all that money on a affiliate program and tie yourself in there when you can spend it on the site. __________________ Programmers do it to a script.

12-29-2007, 04:05 AM	#67
davebl Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 17	Thanks for the input, but I have my own merchant account and I don't think CCbill would support that. they did say that they will take you on even if they're not the primary biller. my advice is hit up doug on icq ICQ Number : 68-622-974 Name: Douglas __________________ Programmers do it to a script.

12-29-2007, 10:14 AM	#74
jcsike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 689	i guess my point is everyone is bitching about mpa3 "restricting" the industry. but from a businessmans standpoint, they are making the rare decisoin that may cost them business in the short term, but is a better long term play. __________________

12-29-2007, 03:22 AM	#62
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	i know I'll be going custom...

12-29-2007, 10:05 AM	#72
3xTom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,610	Just my 2 cents here Others dictating what others do... Well thats kind of the way of EVERY industry not gonna stop here....

12-29-2007, 10:15 AM	#75
jcsike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 689	and all of the comments about compiling the code. why would you build expensive software thats worth a lot of money, and not protect your interests in any which way you could. this is busines, not charity, i would expect posts like that from tony404 __________________