Mansion Terminates Relationship With SegPay... see this? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

tony286 · 12-29-2007, 09:38 AM

Makes sense to me.

minusonebit · 12-29-2007, 09:45 AM

Good move. Minusonebit approved!

Luscious Media · 12-29-2007, 09:51 AM

Shaving...hacks...bad mouthing...infighting...bad press. If we can't stop fucking each other over, the surfers (remember them? the ones who pay the bills?) will never trust our industry.

3xTom · 12-29-2007, 09:55 AM

I definatly do NOT think

COKE

would let PEPSI
Proccess there orders?????

Maybe im wrong?
But me dont think's me is....

Far-L · 12-29-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by garry

Everything that have happened lately plus that our competitor will have inside information on how MPA3 works when it communicates with the processors made us have to take this decision. So in other words, we are not making a decision for you that you should not do business with TMMSegpay, we are making a decision that we can not work with them.
We have as good as every processor in the industry working with MPA3, and we constantly add new ones for our customers.

I am really sorry if you can not see that this would be a huge conflict of interest for us.

Makes perfect sense to me and I applaud you guys for your ethics; disclosing things like conflicts of interest is precisely what helps avoid the sort of problems that TMMsegpay is rife with.

SomeCreep · 12-29-2007, 11:42 AM

Mansion's conflict of interests seems obvious. This action does not surprise me.

Karupted Charles · 12-29-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Mansion's conflict of interests seems obvious. This action does not surprise me.

Like TMM owning multiple affiliate programs a biller and an affiliate software. Nobody should have access to that much data. I say this is a very smart move on th part of mansion.

TheSenator · 12-29-2007, 12:58 PM

Conflict of interest.

starpimps · 12-29-2007, 01:25 PM

didnt segpay bill for megarotic?

Gerco · 12-29-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

Conflict of interest.

big time.

Jman · 12-29-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by D-man

Oystein tisk tisk tisk - I used to have a high opion of him - having to stoop to these kind of tatics in the middle of the NATS mess - wow - im not on anyones side but you knew you were doing business with a company that had an intrest in your compitition long befor this - I am calling it a low blow -

Tisk Tisk Tisk...

The banner in your sig leads to a message board, that goes against the rules.

ladida · 12-29-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Karupted Charles

Like TMM owning multiple affiliate programs a biller and an affiliate software. Nobody should have access to that much data. I say this is a very smart move on th part of mansion.

TMM sure shat in your pie. You're all over this like sailors over whores when they reach thai shores.

baddog · 12-29-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

If I owned MPA, I would do this.. So many reasons for this and so understandable.

No shit. To be honest, I would probably have a problem using NATS simply because they own their own paysites.

I don't mind helping out, but giving them possible access to info on my affiliates and members seems just a little insane.

SiMpLe · 12-29-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by starpimps

didnt segpay bill for megarotic?

Yes

The Ghost · 12-29-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SiMpLe

Yes

If true that is disturbing

Karupted Charles · 12-29-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ladida

TMM sure shat in your pie. You're all over this like sailors over whores when they reach thai shores.

I have written articles in Xbiz about how we need to clean up as an industry. TMM stands for exactly the types of dirty business I have been fighting against. Nothing I have said has been untrue rather it is there for people to be aware of what they may or may not know and so they can decide for themselves who they can trust to do business with.

I wish I had gotten the warnings before we got in bed with them years ago so I could have avoided a mess and saved our company time and money. Unfortunately I did not dig the info up on them till later.

Ycaza · 12-29-2007, 05:12 PM

Its a move that makes great sense for everyone involved. When you consider the intermingling I think that this clears up a lot of conflicts of interest and is best for all parties involved.

Just Mike · 12-29-2007, 07:59 PM

D-MAN,

I'm Surprised at you! You've been around a long time and I know you are a smart man. I Can't believe you can't see what a major conflict of Interest this is for Mansion. Step back and look at this situation for a minute....anyone would have done the same.

If I didn't know better I'd think you were acting as a shill for TMM/NATS on this topic.

Nevermind that I'm pretty sure you only have half the story. I'll bet this was already in the works the moment NATS announced their financial ownership/interest in SEGPAY....and honestly, so what if it came out in a press release by Mansion?

I doubt Mansion released this for marketing purposes, but even if it was...so what?! where have you been? You know very well that things like this happen in mainstream on a regular basis...why should our business be any different? And if you really want to talk about that subject why don't you take a gander at some of the "Marketing" practices NATS has employed over the years...I think those are equally interesting from my prospective.

anyway just my 2 cents

dial · 12-29-2007, 08:39 PM

this tmmsegpay shit STINKS to high heaven, PERIOD

there is absolutely NO reason that TMM should have ANY bought interest in a processing company, and anyone that trusts them from this point on is a moron

I used to think that John and those guys were kickass folks, but this deal to become processors went a bit too far over the line

D-man · 12-31-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexentertain_mike

D-MAN,

I'm Surprised at you! You've been around a long time and I know you are a smart man. I Can't believe you can't see what a major conflict of Interest this is for Mansion. Step back and look at this situation for a minute....anyone would have done the same.

If I didn't know better I'd think you were acting as a shill for TMM/NATS on this topic.

Nevermind that I'm pretty sure you only have half the story. I'll bet this was already in the works the moment NATS announced their financial ownership/interest in SEGPAY....and honestly, so what if it came out in a press release by Mansion?

I doubt Mansion released this for marketing purposes, but even if it was...so what?! where have you been? You know very well that things like this happen in mainstream on a regular basis...why should our business be any different? And if you really want to talk about that subject why don't you take a gander at some of the "Marketing" practices NATS has employed over the years...I think those are equally interesting from my prospective.

anyway just my 2 cents

Hi mike ; ) No im so not shilling for TMM, I feel sorry for them that they allowed this mess in the first place. Yeah I have been around a long time and i don't forget all the shit thats gone on, so no ones getting any love on this one!

I'm not taking sides, they both fuck-up beyond reason and i don't stand up for TMM or Manson. I do question the timing and reasoning of this press release as throwing a drowning man a rock.

TMM has good software and a hugely fucked up security issue. One that may cost them everything before the dust settles and fuck John for letting it get this far.

MPA has good software and lives in a glass house and should not be throwing stones. I wonder how many millions were shaved by MPA software before the whistle was blown on them. I bet not one person who posted here was directly effected by that shave and had money stolen from their pockets.

So they made a mistake re-wrote their software to not steal, so what that makes them stand-up guys? Please tell me how?

I had IBilll on my program and got screwed. I took a big hit on that one. I won't even go into the Ibill issue and what a clusterfuck that was or Babenet.

So TMM makes a great backend (way over priced) that takes the place of the alturnitive MPA. (maybe others but none written expressly for adult that are any good). Now TMM fucks up.

So whats the difference one company (MPA) made a tool for any douche bag to steal from you. TMM got hacked and fucked us all by trying to save face.

So which is worse? Both lack the apperent judgement to be in a position of trust with "OUR" money or information. So what do we do?

All i was saying is to claim TMM will steal info or code or whatever the precived concern may be I don't see as a valid argument. Kinda like a cheater not trusting anyone to not cheat. As for a total lack of trust and whatever I don't see TMM as asking for hackers to fuck them on the other hand MPA aided theft and got caught.

The press release makes you think MPA just now found out that IBill's Exec's started Segpay which is false.

To say TMM has a vested interest in Segpay and this is "a conflict of interest". Well it may well be, that fact is plausable. But I knew who Segpay was right after they opened it. It's not like they all have not been at the shows.

Now add the timing of the TMM mess and the press release of TMM's direct competitor. Yeah i still stick to my though it's a low blow - hitting below the belt to take advantage of someone when they are down.

Timing is everything - You can see by this thread how people react. I think a lot who read this are not seeing it all as clearly as they may if they had more info.

It's real easy to take shots at TMM right now. It's not hard to make the leap from TMM fucking up to say well if they fucked up that then they will fuck up segpay too because Segpay is just Ibill under another name.

If I owned TMM and all is well and I see a chance to invest in Segpay and make an alliance like that I may have thought it a good idea too. I know John knew who he was investing in (Ibill) Segpay. Im sure at the time that was penned this TMM mess had not even happened yet.

Take the TMM mess out of the story for a minute. Then look at the press release again.

Many gave/give MPA a second chance after the "shave".

So why are we all so quick to condem TMM or Segpay.

Again no ones getting any love till TMM fix's the fuck-up

D-man · 12-31-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

Tisk Tisk Tisk...

The banner in your sig leads to a message board, that goes against the rules.

Yeah Lens is welcome to come over to Industryoldschool and put GFY in his sig. Not that he would need to. The fact is he can get on IOS cause he is "old school" - It's not a public board and by it's invation only! I was one of the many who helped this board get started promoting it on PLR and PLRradio for years - Im not a sig whore and you can see I do not benefit from any of the links in my sig (no referral code) - so you can go back to sig whoring and forget you clicked that link and i'll take the banner off

tony286 · 12-31-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by D-man

Yeah Lens is welcome to come over to Industryoldschool and put GFY in his sig. Not that he would need to. The fact is he can get on IOS cause he is "old school" - It's not a public board and by it's invation only! I was one of the many who helped this board get started promoting it on PLR and PLRradio for years - Im not a sig whore and you can see I do not benefit from any of the links in my sig (no referral code) - so you can go back to sig whoring and forget you clicked that link and i'll take the banner off

Im curious if its invite only, why fly a banner for your sig? Also Jman is so far from a sig whore its not funny.

DK · 12-31-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Im curious if its invite only, why fly a banner for your sig? Also Jman is so far from a sig whore its not funny.

Jman is my whore

D-man · 12-31-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Im curious if its invite only, why fly a banner for your sig? Also Jman is so far from a sig whore its not funny.

Sig's used to be what you do - not a sold ad space or to make a profit like they are now

I am one of the owners of IOS along with Dragonking and Sharky - and i own the other 3 sites - Lens has never stopped any owner from flying thier own sites, boards or not me - Meatman - Serge or many other oldschool webmasters that have linked their sites - I know jman and i forgive him he's canadian - the other Jayman and myself have did alot for GFY - If Lens wants to tell me after 7 years that i can't put my own sites in my sig anymore then I guess i'll hear from him.

D-man · 12-31-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Im curious if its invite only, why fly a banner for your sig? Also Jman is so far from a sig whore its not funny.

hey are you Uncletony from Maxcash?

gleem · 12-31-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by D-man

no software company should be telling you who you can and cannot process with - Lets roll back the clock a little to the huge shit storm that hit MPA when there admin got hacked and that was a software hack - oh noone remembers that???? wtf ever -

I do... I doo indeed... funny how no one ever talks about it.

notoldschool · 01-01-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by D-man

Sig's used to be what you do - not a sold ad space or to make a profit like they are now

I am one of the owners of IOS along with Dragonking and Sharky - and i own the other 3 sites - Lens has never stopped any owner from flying thier own sites, boards or not me - Meatman - Serge or many other oldschool webmasters that have linked their sites - I know jman and i forgive him he's canadian - the other Jayman and myself have did alot for GFY - If Lens wants to tell me after 7 years that i can't put my own sites in my sig anymore then I guess i'll hear from him.

man would it be funny if he came in here and did ban your ass. I would

12-29-2007, 09:51 AM	#53
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Ycaza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the 805 Posts: 4,290	Its a move that makes great sense for everyone involved. When you consider the intermingling I think that this clears up a lot of conflicts of interest and is best for all parties involved. __________________ Caz Thrush Head Honcho [email protected] http://thrushtech.com ICQ: 304883574 do people still icq?

12-29-2007, 09:38 AM	#51
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Makes sense to me.

12-29-2007, 09:45 AM	#52
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	Good move. Minusonebit approved!

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3xTom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,610	I definatly do NOT think COKE would let PEPSI Proccess there orders????? Maybe im wrong? But me dont think's me is....

12-29-2007, 07:59 PM	#68
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12-29-2007, 08:39 PM	#69
dial Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: wherever you aren't Posts: 1,225	this tmmsegpay shit STINKS to high heaven, PERIOD there is absolutely NO reason that TMM should have ANY bought interest in a processing company, and anyone that trusts them from this point on is a moron I used to think that John and those guys were kickass folks, but this deal to become processors went a bit too far over the line __________________ boom chicka wah wah