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Old 12-28-2007, 12:56 PM   #1
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question for nats about "backdoor"

john, you claim that there is no "backdoor" for nats. but, you bill by plan levels, where you charge X amount if your client has 500 members, you charge Y if they have 5,000 members and so forth.

how do you know what level your clients are at to bill them if the nats software on the client end is not sending information to nats? and if it is sending the information, what is being specifically sent out? a summary, or something unique to "verify" the accuracy of the data?


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I would also like to tell you that there is no backdoor we have put in NATS for us to access. I understand this is a common rumor but that is all that it is.
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:59 PM   #2
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john, you claim that there is no "backdoor" for nats. but, you bill by plan levels, where you charge X amount if your client has 500 members, you charge Y if they have 5,000 members and so forth.

how do you know what level your clients are at to bill them if the nats software on the client end is not sending information to nats? and if it is sending the information, what is being specifically sent out? a summary, or something unique to "verify" the accuracy of the data?
This is going to be my last post on GFY. I've avoided it for over a day now and I'm done with it. The conspiracy theories and outright accusations of people are over the top, damaging, and I'm done replying to them. There is no reason to ask all of these things in public other than to garner attention and create hysteria. If you have a question, there are many ways to contact us and ask.

There is a code on the public license page which indicates whether NATSlite, NATSplus, or regular NATS is needed. Not the number of sales. It is not posted back to us, nor are any reports. It is a public page anyone can access.
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:04 PM   #3
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Also, before someone comes back saying they don't see it and I'm a liar...

There is a variable that must be passed in order for this to be displayed.

Adios GFY.
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:18 PM   #4
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This is going to be my last post on GFY. I've avoided it for over a day now and I'm done with it.
c'mon, ive seen you say that a dozen times, you cant leave this place, especially when people are talking about you and your company


you cants say its not a good question. ive always just figured there is a private way that your software communicates to nats how many active members the program has and you bill accordinaly. if there was a public way to access that information, then programs would know how many members their competition has, then you said the thing about the backdoor, which threw me for a loop
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This is going to be my last post on GFY. I've avoided it for over a day now and I'm done with it. The conspiracy theories and outright accusations of people are over the top, damaging, and I'm done replying to them. There is no reason to ask all of these things in public other than to garner attention and create hysteria. If you have a question, there are many ways to contact us and ask.

There is a code on the public license page which indicates whether NATSlite, NATSplus, or regular NATS is needed. Not the number of sales. It is not posted back to us, nor are any reports. It is a public page anyone can access.
He asked a very valid question.

I don't get why you are getting your panties twisted over it.
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:20 PM   #6
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Also, before someone comes back saying they don't see it and I'm a liar...

There is a variable that must be passed in order for this to be displayed.

Adios GFY.
I hope GFY gets named in this suit.

They clearly let this whole thing happen, had the power to stop it and didnt.

They let MOB drag your ass through the ground for page views, fucking assholes.
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He asked a very valid question.

I don't get why you are getting your panties twisted over it.
I'm sure you'd get tired of all the rumours and attacks after a while as well.
He answered the question.
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:23 PM   #8
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He asked a very valid question.

I don't get why you are getting your panties twisted over it.


You can guarentee his lawyers have told him to stop talking about it, pretty much is standard legal advise.

I know this makes you want to be a hero, but come on, get a fucking life.
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:24 PM   #9
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He asked a very valid question.

I don't get why you are getting your panties twisted over it.
Because your a fucking tool. You know damn well this idiot posted this with the intent to insinuate something because he wants to be part of the game.
Shit is getting old.
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I think if people got questions about the software they oughtah ask NATS not a board full of amateurs.
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:28 PM   #11
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john, you claim that there is no "backdoor" for nats. but, you bill by plan levels, where you charge X amount if your client has 500 members, you charge Y if they have 5,000 members and so forth.

how do you know what level your clients are at to bill them if the nats software on the client end is not sending information to nats? and if it is sending the information, what is being specifically sent out? a summary, or something unique to "verify" the accuracy of the data?
Oh yeah almost forget>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>U R A TOOL
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:32 PM   #12
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Because your a fucking tool. You know damn well this idiot posted this with the intent to insinuate something because he wants to be part of the game.
Shit is getting old.
wtf are you talking about. around here you have to dig and search and poke and prod to get down to the fucking truth. you cant take anything at face value

you think john would have volunteered or conceeded on any of the info about their breach if the gfy momentum was not there? john is NOT the victim here.

yes, i am a tool
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:38 PM   #13
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Because your a fucking tool. You know damn well this idiot posted this with the intent to insinuate something because he wants to be part of the game.
Shit is getting old.
So hows John's ass taste like?
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:40 PM   #14
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So hows John's ass taste like?
Its not that I like John, its only that I hate you, surfer.
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I think if people got questions about the software they oughtah ask NATS not a board full of amateurs.
because we all know how honest and truthful jon is. i think it's best to keep asking here. the simple truth is if this was an inside job a backdoor is probably there and you will need a very clever person to find it or lay a trap over and over again. if it was an outside job the person is very clever and maybe wasted going after the email lists of members. but could he of installed a back door i believe he was getting date from nats on new logins and passwords very fast. notoldschool will you be thinkng of using nats for billing?
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They let MOB drag your ass through the ground for page views, fucking assholes.
They got plenty of those. Can you imagine how many times I refreshed the threads to see what dumb thing John was gonna say next?
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Also, before someone comes back saying they don't see it and I'm a liar...

There is a variable that must be passed in order for this to be displayed.

Adios GFY.
So what is the variable, John?

The fact of the matter is no one knows what your software does because you run it over the OS in Zend. You have no credibility here or anywhere else whatsoever, you are pretty much a self-confessed moron and all we have is your word on what software does. Even the guys at Core can't get around Zend, and they know their shit. If Zend could be broken without extraordinary measures (because nothing is uncrackable - NOTHING) they would have gotten it done. And just so that you know, if Zend could be gotten around and we could all have an answer in 15 minutes, I'd have no problems finding one of your customers who'd let me bring my people on their server and crack NATS open like a rotten egg and see just what makes it tick.

Why don't you send me an unencrypted version of your software for examination. Do it within 5 minutes of this post and I'll believe that you did not clean up the version you sent me. You are losing clients faster than you can imagine. They haven't told you yet because they are afraid your stupid ass will shut them off leaving them no way to continue operations, but believe me John, you are losing your shirt. I have talked to multiple program owners - big names - that are dropping you just as soon as they can get something else setup and code a bridge from their current setup to the new one.

You need to start being honest here and telling the truth about what you've been up to. Cause I know what you have been doing - as the saying goes, I know what you did last summer. I am just having trouble finding people who will verify my suspicions positively to the point that I can publish safely without having to worry about one of your legal threats actually having validity.

But let me tell you something, John. If you fess up on this - come completely clean all the way and say you were sorry - I will not publish what I know and I'll actually have some respect for you for facing the music. You might stay out of jail and avoid serious legal problems if you can manage to do this. But let me tell you what, if you don't fess up, when I finally get this verified and I eventually will - and, for the record, I cannot believe you thought that no one would notice this or that you'd get away with it - because you have alot of enemies John and they are all contacting me and very slowly, oh so very slowly, a picture is starting to form

When I get this verified, I am gonna rock your world. And you will be so sorry that you did not take this chance. Once I get started, I am not gonna stop. There will be no please Keithy no more...
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So hows John's ass taste like?
what does craigslist dick taste like?
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When I get this verified, I am gonna rock your world. And you will be so sorry that you did not take this chance. Once I get started, I am not gonna stop. There will be no please Keithy no more...
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please make it stop
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I'd have no problems finding one of your customers who'd let me bring my people on their server and crack NATS open like a rotten egg and see just what makes it tick
How can you afford 'people' when you make your living dropping off newspapers on streetcorners?

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But let me tell you something, John. If you fess up on this - come completely clean all the way and say you were sorry - I will not publish what I know and I'll actually have some respect for you for facing the music.
Is there anyone on this planet who's concerned with having your respect? Even your parents feel obligated to explain your behavior by referencing your mental illness.

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Is that what the guy from craigslist had to say to get you to stop slobbering on his cock?
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So what is the variable, John?

The fact of the matter is no one knows what your software does because you run it over the OS in Zend. You have no credibility here or anywhere else whatsoever, you are pretty much a self-confessed moron and all we have is your word on what software does. Even the guys at Core can't get around Zend, and they know their shit. If Zend could be broken without extraordinary measures (because nothing is uncrackable - NOTHING) they would have gotten it done. And just so that you know, if Zend could be gotten around and we could all have an answer in 15 minutes, I'd have no problems finding one of your customers who'd let me bring my people on their server and crack NATS open like a rotten egg and see just what makes it tick.

Why don't you send me an unencrypted version of your software for examination. Do it within 5 minutes of this post and I'll believe that you did not clean up the version you sent me. You are losing clients faster than you can imagine. They haven't told you yet because they are afraid your stupid ass will shut them off leaving them no way to continue operations, but believe me John, you are losing your shirt. I have talked to multiple program owners - big names - that are dropping you just as soon as they can get something else setup and code a bridge from their current setup to the new one.

You need to start being honest here and telling the truth about what you've been up to. Cause I know what you have been doing - as the saying goes, I know what you did last summer. I am just having trouble finding people who will verify my suspicions positively to the point that I can publish safely without having to worry about one of your legal threats actually having validity.

But let me tell you something, John. If you fess up on this - come completely clean all the way and say you were sorry - I will not publish what I know and I'll actually have some respect for you for facing the music. You might stay out of jail and avoid serious legal problems if you can manage to do this. But let me tell you what, if you don't fess up, when I finally get this verified and I eventually will - and, for the record, I cannot believe you thought that no one would notice this or that you'd get away with it - because you have alot of enemies John and they are all contacting me and very slowly, oh so very slowly, a picture is starting to form

When I get this verified, I am gonna rock your world. And you will be so sorry that you did not take this chance. Once I get started, I am not gonna stop. There will be no please Keithy no more...

zend can be de-encoded in 5 minutes I could do this for you, but this would be like copyright violation I believe
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zend can be de-encoded in 5 minutes I could do this for you, but this would be like copyright violation I believe
I think I wanted to say 'decoded' ))
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